JIm O. didn't post the whole story about PK being cut

[joeshmo]

All true but the one guy on our OL who was NOT soft was Kendall, he'd play until his body couldn't handle it anymore. Tough as nails guy who I for one am going to really miss. I am convinced AJ is right, we cut Kendall to free up future capspace for Fitz' deal.

Tough as nails until the 2nd half of a game roled around and he had no feeling in his arm anymore from his stingers(they dont just go away). The guy said it himself.

We are only saving 1 mill next year by cutting Kendall. I highly doubt signing fitz was the reason for cutting Kendall, especially knowing we will have a cap surplus next year just like we had this year.

 

[JeffGollin]

A few thoughts:

- Was the move a great one? A dumb one? We'll know when we see how the OL plays during regular season.

- I will always remember Kendall for that great comment on the eve of a Raider game up in Oakland in front of the notorious Raider Nation. He said - "We're not going to be intimidated by a bunch of peole in Halloween costumes."

- I see a possible connection between the departure of Pete Kendall and the arrival of Everett Lindsay. Lindsay is a 10 year veteran guard who once played for Denny in Minnesota. Perhaps Denny felt Lindsay could better fill the role of trusted veteran leader than he felt Pete could.

 

[Russ Smith]

Tough as nails until the 2nd half of a game roled around and he had no feeling in his arm anymore from his stingers(they dont just go away). The guy said it himself.

We are only saving 1 mill next year by cutting Kendall. I highly doubt signing fitz was the reason for cutting Kendall, especially knowing we will have a cap surplus next year just like we had this year.

I'm aware of the injuries, but so was DG when he named Pete the starter 2-3 times this offseason. THe timing just seems to close to me. I'm not sure how much caproom we WILL have next year. I'm convinced by next year Quan will have a new contract. If Josh plays well he'll certainly have a much bigger contract too, what's the combined caphit for them this year maybe 1.5 million? It could be 8-10 million next year if both play well.

And to be honest, I really WANT to believe that Kendall was cut over money and not over complaining about the practices being too hard. I really don't want to believe Green would put his ego ahead of the team by doing something like that unless he REALLY felt Pete was a bad influence on the younger kids, which kind of is being implied by that comment about chemistry.

 

[Capital Card]

We are only saving 1 mill next year by cutting Kendall. I highly doubt signing fitz was the reason for cutting Kendall, especially knowing we will have a cap surplus next year just like we had this year.

Actually, we are saving about $5.5 Million in salary at the expense of $1.0 Million of cap room this year and next. The cap money was already spent, but not the $5.5 salary.

We've heard that the team may redo Q's contract sooner rather than later. With this in mind, the savings from releasing Pete at least make some sense.

Final note: I was going to post this a few weeks ago, but decided best to wait until after Larry Fitz signed. Has anyone whose been around these boards for awhile noticed that we have not heard the "Bidwills are waiting for the TV money before signing our picks", excuse this year? I've never bought into that theory, and it has been a real pleasure not having to read it ad nauseum this off-season. Perhaps it is finally dead.

Go Cards!!!

 

[ajcardfan]

Tough as nails until the 2nd half of a game roled around and he had no feeling in his arm anymore from his stingers(they dont just go away). The guy said it himself.

We are only saving 1 mill next year by cutting Kendall. I highly doubt signing fitz was the reason for cutting Kendall, especially knowing we will have a cap surplus next year just like we had this year.

I don't think signing Fitz was THE reason for cutting Kendall now. But, I think it probably was one factor. Yes, the savings is only one mil next season, but that could help absorb roster bonuses for not only Fitz, but also Dockett and Dansby.

Plus, the 1.75 mil saved this year can either:

A) be used on Boldin or

B) used later in the season by reworking someone else's deal and pushing more money into this season freeing more space for Fitz' contract. Much like we did with Davis' deal.

On Ch 12 last night, Green said specifically, he looked at how the line played against "teams with losing records." I think how horrible and gutless the line played in the Cleveland and Pittsburgh was more of a factor. However, needing more space for Fitz, to keep the future in line, then made an oline cut more likely.

 

[CaptTurbo]

If Green reviewed the tapes against cleveland et al why is PK the only cut? Davis, Shelton, and Clement should be cut. Those 3 were plain awful in pittsburgh and cleveland.....

 

[ajcardfan]

Final note: I was going to post this a few weeks ago, but decided best to wait until after Larry Fitz signed. Has anyone whose been around these boards for awhile noticed that we have not heard the "Bidwills are waiting for the TV money before signing our picks", excuse this year? I've never bought into that theory, and it has been a real pleasure not having to read it ad nauseum this off-season. Perhaps it is finally dead.

Go Cards!!!

Me too. I always thought that was a crock of crap, but man people would not let go of it. Whatever criticisms can be laid at the Bidwill's feet, I think the "they're cheap" criticism is no longer relevant after this offseason.

 

[Dback Jon]

On Ch 12 last night, Green said specifically, he looked at how the line played against "teams with losing records." I think how horrible and gutless the line played in the Cleveland and Pittsburgh was more of a factor. However, needing more space for Fitz, to keep the future in line, then made an oline cut more likely.

That is very encouraging. Those games were awful - especially since we were on a major high (two wins in a row, Super Bowl awarded, glow from the Charger MNF game, deals being reworked) - we had a chance to get to .500, and laid a major egg against bad teams.

 

[AZCB34]

If Green reviewed the tapes against cleveland et al why is PK the only cut? Davis, Shelton, and Clement should be cut. Those 3 were plain awful in pittsburgh and cleveland.....

Because it is all Kendall's fault...or didn't you get the memo?

 

[ajcardfan]

Because it is all Kendall's fault...or didn't you get the memo?

Nobody has said that but you.

 

[Duckjake]

Final note: I was going to post this a few weeks ago, but decided best to wait until after Larry Fitz signed. Has anyone whose been around these boards for awhile noticed that we have not heard the "Bidwills are waiting for the TV money before signing our picks", excuse this year? I've never bought into that theory, and it has been a real pleasure not having to read it ad nauseum this off-season. Perhaps it is finally dead.

The reason that the TV Money issue was often brought up was because we had heard it from a source that had ties to the Cardinals organization. Close enough that the person introduced some of us to Bidwill family members.

We don't know that it wasn't true in past seasons. For all we know the Organization's financial situation may have changed substantially in the past year or so.

Regardless, it's good to see them get the Fitzgerald deal done without him missing more than a day or so of camp.

 

[gocards71]

It's amazing how fast everyone has justified cutting our best lineman from last year.

Shelton, David, and Clement all get hurt a lot too, and all played much worse than Kendall. This is an ego thing with Green. If it was about performance, those other guys would have been cut too. If it were about money he would have been axed a while ago.

 

[SECTION 11]

It's amazing how fast everyone has justified cutting our best lineman from last year.

I'm not on board with this move at all. I think it was half-assed.

 

[gocards71]

ps - leonard davis's fat, lazy butt makes more than Pete, so cutting him would save more cash. Also, davis missed almost as much time with injuries last year. And he was flat out awful when he played. First dallas game, anyone? He gave up two safeties in about 5 minutes.

 

[Redheart]

One thing for sure...

Everyone on this team is now wide-awake.

News flash: Complacency was just cut by Denny Green. In related news, accountability and performance expectations were just signed...

The timing is just scary-brilliant...

P.S. I REALLY like Pete, but I can accept this move for many reasons. Poor past O-Line performance, past injury history, significant $ to someone who will never (by job-description) make big plays, post-Mac seperation anxiety, and because it is Denny's call.

 

[gocards71]

P.S. I REALLY like Pete, but I can accept this move for many reasons. Poor past O-Line performance, past injury history, significant $ to someone who will never (by job-description) make big plays

Who on the OL does that not apply to? Are you in favor of cutting them all?

 

[CardLogic]

Everyone on this team is now wide-awake.

News flash: Complacency was just cut by Denny Green. In related news, accountability and performance expectations were just signed...

The timing is just scary-brilliant...

P.S. I REALLY like Pete, but I can accept this move for many reasons. Poor past O-Line performance, past injury history, significant $ to someone who will never (by job-description) make big plays, post-Mac seperation anxiety, and because it is Denny's call.

Nominated for post of the week!

Of course, it's very early in the week...

 

[AZCB34]

I'm not on board with this move at all. I think it was half-assed.

According to most of the board though, it is brilliant and good riddance. I think this is moronic too.

 

[AZCB34]

Nobody has said that but you.

If Kendall was the only OL cut, then he has been singled out as the problem no?? Kendall played far better than Davis, Spikes and Clement last year no??? Yet he gets cut still.

He is healthy, was the best C on the roster and according to his agent maintained a low profile through the practice-gate.

So to me, he has been the only one held responsible for the crap play last year when he was far from the worst.

 

[Redheart]

Who on the OL does that not apply to? Are you in favor of cutting them all?

Maybe...depends on how they play. If you have you been watching this under-achieving bunch at all during the last few years and are aware of the amount of cap-space salary they are pulling down, you HAVE to understand that change is long over-due.

Kendell as a choice to cut makes some big sense; he was a savvy veteren, but talent-limited. He is not in the same talent range as L. Davis, LJ, or even AC. That being said, if those guys don't start earning thier significant saleries, why not whack them? You could pay a lot less, but you might get a lot more...

 

[jf-08]

so i guess he's not being moved to guard after all.

 

[SECTION 11]

Between Fitz's ridiculous contract and Green's circus in handling players...
I dunno. This isn't quite a comfortable feeling I have.


Bizzaro world. Beautiful this time of year.

 

[gocards71]

Between Fitz's ridiculous contract and Green's circus in handling players...
I dunno. This isn't quite a comfortable feeling I have.


Bizzaro world. Beautiful this time of year.

I also have that "this could be bad...." feeling. DG seems to have some major ego.

 

[Rats]

Maybe...depends on how they play. If you have you been watching this under-achieving bunch at all during the last few years and are aware of the amount of cap-space salary they are pulling down, you HAVE to understand that change is long over-due.

Kendell as a choice to cut makes some big sense; he was a savvy veteren, but talent-limited. He is not in the same talent range as L. Davis, LJ, or even AC. That being said, if those guys don't start earning thier significant saleries, why not whack them? You could pay a lot less, but you might get a lot more...

This is pure speculation on my part but I think Coach Green saw PK as a crutch for some of the underachieving lineman on this sqaud. PK was a top paid guy and a lunchpail player. It makes since to chop off the perceived leaders head in order to get the attention of the other talented but underachieving group. I bet our line play is better. Don't think that some of the guys like Shelton and Big didn't take notice. I loved PK but I want to win and if cutting him gets this line to play up to there ability or gets the lollygaggers out than I am for it. Great signing of Fitz to calm the churned waters. What a masters touch by Graves and Green. Give them there props.

 

[SECTION 11]

I also have that "this could be bad...." feeling. DG seems to have some major ego.

I'm with ya there. I don't really feel very good about today's news.
Just a gut feeling.