Joe Jr, GM of the year?

[mark1]

For Joe Sr, to make the statement that his son should be GM of the year is laughable. Obviously he is biased but, I would like to know the criteria he used to come to that conclusion. The best thing Joe Jr did in the offseason was to sign Carlos Baerga. The Dessens for Durazo trade is a joke, and the Kim for Hillenbrand trade is about a wash so far. Hardly the credentials one looks for as GM of the year. Lets see if he can go out and add a rightfielder before the trade deadline and not get fleeced. I have my doubts.

 

[Smolder]

uh, i'd like to point some stuff out...maybe i'm completely wrong, i don't know, i'm not that knowledgeable. i agree dessens stinks. we should'a kept durazo.

about kim and hilly. hilly is batting well over 300, with that 3-homer game last week, and is just about the best batter we have right now. kim has how many wins?

also, isn't it our gm who cut matbatross? wasn't it the same guy who brought up cintron, kata, hammock, valverde, webb, good, and whoever else we have?

i dunno, but without all these players, we'd be about 21 out by now, right along with the padres. but no, we're 5 back....so make your own conclusions.

 

[schillingfan]

A good trade really should be a wash. To get value you have to give up value. You don't evaluate a trade by comparing the two players, particularly when one is a pitcher and the other a position player.

The key thing about the Kim trade is that the team desperately needed a right handed power bat, which Hillenbrand has been to this point. OTOH, Kim was not needed as either a starter or a closer or a set-up man. Mantei is doing great, Valverde great, Webb and Batista have emerged for the rotation. Possibly Kim was needed as a 5th starter, but Hillenbrand has filled a bigger hole for the D-Backs than Kim left.

At the time of the trade I agreed absolutely with DWKB that Dessens was not a good pitcher based on his DIPS ERA. He completely called that one.

Yo - the stats guys do know what they are talking about, sometimes they aren't able explain it so that we all understand it.

 

[mark1]

Originally posted by Smolder
about kim and hilly. hilly is batting well over 300, with that 3-homer game last week, and is just about the best batter we have right now. kim has how many wins?

cintron, kata, hammock, valverde, webb, good, and whoever else we have?

Bringing up the kids is hardly a stroke of genius on Joe's part. We brought them up out of neccesity, the kids get all the credit for playing well.

Kim is closing for Boston right now and doing well. He has solidified the Red Sox bullpen. I consider that trade, a trade that helped both teams. It remains to be seen who gets the best end of the deal. Hardly a coup though. I think Joe has done an OK job, but, my point is, he hasn't done enough to even be in the running as GM of the year. Sabean of the Giants is my front runner right now. They stole Herges yesterday. The signing of Cruz, Durham, and Grissom were great. Ortiz for Moss was a salary dump (and a stupid one)

 

[DWKB]

Originally posted by schillingfan

At the time of the trade I agreed absolutely with DWKB that Dessens was not a good pitcher based on his DIPS ERA. He completely called that one.

Yo - the stats guys do know what they are talking about, sometimes they aren't able explain it so that we all understand it.

You absolutely agreed? News to me (I couldn't find proof one way or the other in the history).


Thanks for the compliment though

 

[Dback Jon]

GMs seem to get blasted for anything wrong, but never get credit for doing good things (unless you are Billy Beane, to whom sabermetricians bow 5 times a day in the direction of Oakland). And sometimes, the best thing a GM can do is nothing - and hire the right people.

Joe has clearly gotten a great scouting staff, and has assembled a very good minor league coaching/instructional system. All of the rookies that you dismiss as having nothing to do with Joe are the result of hires that Joe has made - and trusting them to make the right calls.

Whether Joe deserves to be GM of the year or not is debatable - but he has done a mostly good job.

Sabean has done well, but Fonzie has not produced as expected, and until recently, neither has Cruz.

 

[outcent]

I feel like we got a good deal on the Kim for Hillenbrand deal. Kim obviously wasn't going to be a great starter and we already have two closers on our roster. He is doing well in the closers role for Boston so they got a good deal as well. We just have to keep in mind that he wasn't a closer on our team.

 

[schillingfan]

Originally posted by DWKB
You absolutely agreed? News to me (I couldn't find proof one way or the other in the history).


Thanks for the compliment though

Well I did find this. I guess it's not stated as absolute concurrence, though. But I said I did think he would revert back to his career norm. But I've become increasingly convinced of the validity of the DIPS ERA stat. At a minimum when you find a player who has a good ERA and a low BABIP it should cause one to raise the eyebrows at least. DIPS thread

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by schillingfan
A good trade really should be a wash. .

Huh? Why should a good trade be a wash? I would consider fleecing the other team a good trade. At the least, a good trade should certainly not be a wash.