Shogun
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Tell me RIGHT NOW, gosh darn it! I DEMAND an answer. I'm beginning to think that Grimm and Graves put something in your kool-aid.
Joe Thomas hate all of a sudden? Why.
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Shogun chill out. Its just the Gloom and Doom patrol comming back to life. They start out with with if, may be and then is Oh woo its me O who its my and the Sky is falling.
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eh. I don't hate (...well, not Thomas, at least).
But, I've never been super-high on him either. I hope he falls to us because we have a crazy need for him, but like I said in another draft if I personally had a choice between him and AP at 5, I'd take AP.
But Thomas is #2 with a bullet on my list.
But, I've never been super-high on him either. I hope he falls to us because we have a crazy need for him, but like I said in another draft if I personally had a choice between him and AP at 5, I'd take AP.
But Thomas is #2 with a bullet on my list.
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I know, but it was all going so well before they returned.
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"Joe Thomas hate all of a sudden? Why."
People with too much time on their hands?
People with too much time on their hands?
Oh, I don't know about that. IMO, the "doom and gloom" crowd would be saying we're F'd if Thomas doesn't fall to us--that the Cardinals have put us in a position where the success of the offense largely rests on two pretty big gambles: 1) Thomas falls into our laps and 2) he's as good as he's supposed to be at the next level.
I'd say they're right.
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Because the media exclaimed that our O-Line is fine.
If the report had been positive we would all want Thomas.
I still do.
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Happens every year. Draft folk tend to eat their young.
That said - the two tiny raps on Thomas are that (1) his arms are a bit short (to keep pass rushers from doing all kinds of neat spin moves) and (2) he's more a pass blocker than a run blocker and, therefore, less suitable to play LT (Matt's non blind side) than someone like Levi Jones or even Blalock.
The answer to each: (1) while his arms may be a trifle short, his hand placement is impeccable and (2) if he's that good a pass blocker, move him over to RT and find a new home for Reggie Wells.
I reiterate - for every Shawn Andrews there's a Tony Boselli or Jonathon Ogden.
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He's Wendell Bryant with a wig. I'm not doom and gloom at all, I just think he is more in the mold of Gallery not Pace. I may be dead wrong and if I am I will be the first to admit it.
My point is that you can be the most athletic big man in the world but if you don't play with at least the same fire as the guy you are lining up against you will get abused.
Reasons for not wanting to draft Thomas:
1) Not sold on his toughness
2) Don't want to feel like we traded LD and the #5 pick for Thomas
3) Doesn't fit into Whis mold
My point is that you can be the most athletic big man in the world but if you don't play with at least the same fire as the guy you are lining up against you will get abused.
Reasons for not wanting to draft Thomas:
1) Not sold on his toughness
2) Don't want to feel like we traded LD and the #5 pick for Thomas
3) Doesn't fit into Whis mold
Stout
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Put me in that camp. If he's there I want him. The ONLY way I wouldn't be PO'd if we passed is if it was to take AP.
I have no idea how any individual college player is going to translate into the NFL. Some very highly paid NFL scouts are wrong a lot of the time, so why would a construction guy like myself be any better?
When I am saying that I think that Cards are going to pass on Thomas, it's not because I "hate" him. It is because I think that the signals coming from the Cardinal's staff & FO seem to indicate that they are thinking in a different direction.
But I could be wrong.
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When I am saying that I think that Cards are going to pass on Thomas, it's not because I "hate" him. It is because I think that the signals coming from the Cardinal's staff & FO seem to indicate that they are thinking in a different direction.
But I could be wrong.
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I dont know. I just have more confidence that we will see Landry or Peterson in a Pro Bowl than Thomas. I dont hate the guy by any means though. I would be perfectly happy with getting him at 5.
Maybe I am just subconciously trying to avoid getting my feelings hurt when he gets picked before us.
Maybe I am just subconciously trying to avoid getting my feelings hurt when he gets picked before us.
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The haters are probably the ones who believe he won't be there @ 5, and don't want to get their hopes up.
I am not one of those people, Thomas @ 5 please.
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But there's a difference in accepting the fact he won't be there at 5 (I'm still on the fence if he's going to be there or not) and trying to downgrade him for the sake of making yourself feel better about the situation. You can say that he's out of our "range" all you want, but don't knock the guy for the sake of it. Thomas is a damn good prospect and should at least get his respect.
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I don't know much about the guy but if he is indeed a finesse type of OT then I am not too excited about him. Seems like we have enough of those types on the roster now. I would prefer to draft an OT with a bit of nastiness/brute to his character if there is one out there with some potential.
They are just prepping for inevitable disaster, so if Thomas busts and we have him they can be among the "first" to say "I told you so."
Usually, I'd rather be wrong about someone being good (JJ) than right about someone being bad. That's the optimist in me.
Usually, I'd rather be wrong about someone being good (JJ) than right about someone being bad. That's the optimist in me.
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Being technically sound and looking good holding down your side =/= being a finesse blocker.
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I want Thomas, I like Thomas, I think he'll be our long term answer at LT if we were lucky enough to draft him. I just have a terrible feeling he won't be there and the team will panic.
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Oh, well, I guess I'm one of those "Draft folk". BUT
I would not give my firstborn for Thomas--but $25.00, yes, I would give that to charity if it would influence the football powers to let us draft Thomas.
No opinion about Chow--I'm glad we got KW.
No, not 90%--but maybe 70.
Who's this Gandy? We signed Candy--John Candy, right?
The others in lobo's list are all obvious truths, so I won't comment.
I myself have high hopes about signing Thomas and his NFL career, and think the second is a better bet than the first.
I would not give my firstborn for Thomas--but $25.00, yes, I would give that to charity if it would influence the football powers to let us draft Thomas.
No opinion about Chow--I'm glad we got KW.
No, not 90%--but maybe 70.
Who's this Gandy? We signed Candy--John Candy, right?
The others in lobo's list are all obvious truths, so I won't comment.
I myself have high hopes about signing Thomas and his NFL career, and think the second is a better bet than the first.
BigRedArk
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That's pretty basic stuff though isn't it? A brute of an OT can still be technically sound and hold down his side of the line. We need some nastiness to go along with being technically sound. We've already done the finesse thing with LJ Shelton.
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In that case people are looking at the history of players from that school which is unfair and Thomas will make them believers.
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Jeff, I think you hit it right on the head, the 'don't draft Joe Thomas' fans came out of the woodwork after the article on the Cardinal website came out proclaimning the O-Line is in good shape. People are like cattle they follow whatever the media says.
Hey Joe Thomas could be All-Pro OR he could be a bust, no one knows for sure. All I know is most 'experts' say he has all the tools to be a solid Tackle for many years. He doesn't have to be All-Pro he just needs to be a good tackle for this team.
Like I said in my post from several days ago, if he is there at 5 and the Cards go in a different direction, I will be completely disgusted with Graves and the whole lot of them.
Jeff, I think you hit it right on the head, the 'don't draft Joe Thomas' fans came out of the woodwork after the article on the Cardinal website came out proclaimning the O-Line is in good shape. People are like cattle they follow whatever the media says.
Hey Joe Thomas could be All-Pro OR he could be a bust, no one knows for sure. All I know is most 'experts' say he has all the tools to be a solid Tackle for many years. He doesn't have to be All-Pro he just needs to be a good tackle for this team.
Like I said in my post from several days ago, if he is there at 5 and the Cards go in a different direction, I will be completely disgusted with Graves and the whole lot of them.
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There lies my point. Thomas isn't finesse as everyone makes him out be. It's part of that fan illusion of "Because he looks like _____, he must/not play hard" Tracy McGrady is one who comes to mind that had knocks of "loafing" because he played smooth and doesn't look like he's working hard because the game just came to him easily.
Just because he isn't some sloppy mauler like Levi Brown (who has even LESS of a killer instinct than Thomas) doesn't mean he's light in the pants.
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