John Hollinger - Schedule Break Down & Amare

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There is a free Preview of his insider information on ESPN. I only posted the Suns part but its a good article. Also, he also says that since moving Amare over 22 games ago, Amare is the best player in the league.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=WestForecast-080403&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dWestForecast-080403
Forecasting the West: How will the top teams finish?

By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider
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Updated: April 3,2008

Much has been written about the incredibly compelling race in the Western Conference this season and the upcoming playoffs. Truly, this is the best playoff race the league has ever seen. Consider the fact that with two weeks to go in the season, not one Western team has even clinched a playoff berth.

Only three games separate the top six teams, and the first-place team is only 7½ games from being out of the playoffs entirely. On top of that, three teams that could win 50 games each are locked in a tight battle for the final two playoff berths.

So with the entire conference in the unusual situation of having two weeks worth of extremely meaningful games, it's time to break down where the Western playoff contenders stand, check out some of the numbers behind their performance, and look in the crystal ball at where everyone might end up.

Phoenix Suns


Glass half-full: We've won 10 out of 13, and the three losses were at Detroit, at Boston and at Denver.

Glass half-empty: We're still only 13-9 with Shaquille O'Neal.

Key factoids you might not know: I slammed Suns president Steve Kerr for trading for Shaq; based on the contents of my inbox, it appears one or two Suns fans noticed this. I still have some misgivings about the deal, especially once you get into next year and the year after, but it's hard not to notice how well the Suns are rolling right now.

The key has not been the play of Shaq, who continues to have an insanely high turnover rate. (Seriously, how do you make three turnovers a game if you're taking only eight shots?) Rather, it's been his apparent impact on Amare Stoudemire. The Suns made this deal in part to move Stoudemire out of the center spot, so you have to give them credit for the results.

In 22 games at power forward, Stoudemire has been the best player in the league. No, really, he's been that good. He has averaged 29.4 points on 58.2 percent shooting and averaged nearly 11 free-throw attempts.

But the number that maybe is most important is 36.7. That's how many minutes per game he's played with Shaq, after averaging only 33.0 before the trade because he was in foul trouble too often. Stoudemire's foul rate is still fairly high, but it has declined just enough that he's able to play his regular minutes.

A pessimist would note the Suns have shot unbelievably well on 3s during the recent hot streak, and that's unlikely to hold up over an extended period. But if Stoudemire keeps playing this freakishly well it's not going to matter too much, because right now the difference between New Stoudemire and Old Stoudemire more than offsets the difference between Shawn Marion and Shaquille O'Neal. I'd have never thought that possible, but it's happening.

Remaining schedule: It could be worse. Road games against San Antonio and Houston won't be fun, but they have two gimmies (home vs. Minnesota, at Memphis), and they should be able to handle home games against Dallas and Golden State.

Crystal ball says: The way they're playing they might grab six of the final seven and steal the division crown from L.A. The unfortunate thing is they probably have to win six of the seven, because the Lakers own the tiebreaker. So the smart money remains on the Suns ending up with the No. 5 seed and a brutal first-round pairing against Utah.

It's possible they could move up to No. 3 even if they don't win the division, because the Suns still play San Antonio and will own the tiebreak with a victory. But again, this scenario pretty much depends on them winning at least six of their last seven.
 

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Nice to see Hollinger eat at least a little bit of crow with respect to the trade. I do find it funny that he didn't pull out his usual stats, especially with regards to the Suns' newfound rebounding prowess (the direct result of the Shaq trade). He knows he was wrong, but he can't quite admit it. :)
 

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If the Suns move up to #2 or #3, does that really give them a better pairing than Utah? I'm not especially eager for a long series with the Nuggets, for instance, who have a good chance of winding up at #7.
 
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Nice to see Hollinger eat at least a little bit of crow with respect to the trade. I do find it funny that he didn't pull out his usual stats, especially with regards to the Suns' newfound rebounding prowess (the direct result of the Shaq trade). He knows he was wrong, but he can't quite admit it. :)

Notice how he still took jabs at the trade and knocked Shaq though in the process? He didn't want the crow to be his full course meal. ;)
 

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Notice how he still took jabs at the trade and knocked Shaq though in the process? He didn't want the crow to be his full course meal. ;)

Well, all the media people, like Barkley for instance, are wondering about Shaq's contract over the final two years. We may lose someone like Barbosa or Diaw with basically no compensation to try and work the numbers.
 

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If the Suns move up to #2 or #3, does that really give them a better pairing than Utah? I'm not especially eager for a long series with the Nuggets, for instance, who have a good chance of winding up at #7.

Utah or Denver tp play against in a 7 game series? Id take Denver! Utah is going to be tough, especially if they have the home court.
 

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If the Suns move up to #2 or #3, does that really give them a better pairing than Utah? I'm not especially eager for a long series with the Nuggets, for instance, who have a good chance of winding up at #7.

The Suns have struggled against Utah a lot more than Denver, Golden State, and Dallas over the last couple of seasons.
 

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Well, all the media people, like Barkley for instance, are wondering about Shaq's contract over the final two years. We may lose someone like Barbosa or Diaw with basically no compensation to try and work the numbers.

Could that really be that big of a bad thing?
 

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That comes out to ~50-34 for a full season. Considering the learning curve in going from the fastest team to the oldest team, I would say 13-9 aint too shabby, especially since improvement is obvious with each passing game. (except for those damn turnover and diaw who seem to be stagnant.)
 

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If the Suns move up to #2 or #3, does that really give them a better pairing than Utah?
It does if we can get Houston or Dallas. Plus, it increases our chances or getting home court for the second round. Also, there's always the chance that a better matched team can knock off the Jazz or Hornets before we'd have to face them.
 

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They probably won't. Home court is determined by W-L record, even if it gives the #5 seed HCA over the #4.


I didnt know that. Thanks.

Still, Utah is a tough 7 game series. Then again, there isnt much wiggle room in any first round series in the west. Going to be very interesting.

On that note... I also find it bogus that no matter what team comes out of the west, they lose home court to the east cause the eastern winner (assuming its detroit or boston) had such an easier season schedule. Oh well!
 
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I didnt know that. Thanks.

Still, Utah is a tough 7 game series. Then again, there isnt much wiggle room in any first round series in the west. Going to be very interesting.

On that note... I also find it bogus that no matter what team comes out of the west, they lose home court to the east cause the eastern winner (assuming its detroit or boston) had such an easier season schedule. Oh well!

Utah worried me much more without Shaq. Boozer and AK-47 would just park in the paint all day and shoot over Amare. When they were both on the floor we had nobody to body up both. Marion would end up on either AK or Boozer. Didn't like that at all. That's all changed with Shaq. That's why Utah just doesn't scare me over a 7 game series as much as before.
 

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Notice how he still took jabs at the trade and knocked Shaq though in the process? He didn't want the crow to be his full course meal. ;)

Yeah hollinger, a guy with no basketball smarts didnt see how shaq would elevate amares game by allowing him to play his natural position, but Jalen Rose certainly did. Thats why I dont listen to basketball pundits with no on court, or coaching experience.
 

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Utah worried me much more without Shaq. Boozer and AK-47 would just park in the paint all day and shoot over Amare. When they were both on the floor we had nobody to body up both. Marion would end up on either AK or Boozer. Didn't like that at all. That's all changed with Shaq. That's why Utah just doesn't scare me over a 7 game series as much as before.

Yeah watching Boozer steer clear of shaq was a nice change of pace for this suns fan. Boozer used to kill the suns in the paint. I guess hollinger didnt see a stat for that one either. Ironically, a points in the paint stat would have shown him the way, *******.
 

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If we get Utah we better hope we have home court. Personally, I think they'd be a damn tough matchup.
 

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I agree that Utah would be tough, but I guess I'm saying I don't think Denver would be a picnic either. Denver plays more physically, and that still puts the Suns at a disadvantage (even since the trade), because they don't get the same respect from the officials that other teams do.
 

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Houston! They are the easiest first round meal. Let SA deal with Dal, they've always matched up well against them and might even upset them. Give NOH a tough series with Denver and the same with LAL/Utah.
 

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Not as big a tool as Stephen A Smith.

Yeah but at least you can laugh at Stephen, Holliger just pisses you off with his ignorance.

If we get Utah we better hope we have home court. Personally, I think they'd be a damn tough matchup.

The odd thing about Utah is that Okur takes Amare to school every damn time. Shaq-Boozer doesnt worry me, AK-Hill doesnt worry me, even deron doesnt worry me too much (ok a little). As long as Amare can pacify Okur I have zero worries with Utah.
 
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I just want the playoffs to start. No more would a could a should a. Let's get to it.
 

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