John Skelton: "There's some animosity"

[Chopper0080]

According to Bartel on the radio today the Cardinals didn't do hardly any developmental coaching whatsoever. They basically just handed you the playbook and told you when you were doing something wrong. He specifically pointed to the lack of Skelton's development and said that he has all the talent to be a great QB, but just wasn't getting the required coaching. He also pointed out that Xs and Os of the system were actually pretty easy compared to other offenses he had learned on other teams.

That sounds exactly like my football playing experience. They give you something to learn, you learn it, and then they point out where you are not getting it on the practice field. You go back after practice, independently review what you made mistakes on, and then don't make the same mistake again. Not THAT hard from a mental standpoint. I, like most, did not have the athletic ability or size to advance to the professional level, but the mental aspect was never a huge issue if you put in the work.

 

[AZ Native]

That sounds exactly like my football playing experience. They give you something to learn, you learn it, and then they point out where you are not getting it on the practice field. You go back after practice, independently review what you made mistakes on, and then don't make the same mistake again. Not THAT hard from a mental standpoint. I, like most, did not have the athletic ability or size to advance to the professional level, but the mental aspect was never a huge issue if you put in the work.

Stop it Chopper, Bartel must be right.

 

[Chopper0080]

Stop it Chopper, Bartel must be right.

I'm waiting to hear Qbs start blaming SIRI on their playbook tablets. It's not my fault, SIRI told me to throw it there.

 

[Bodha]

John had every opportunity in the world and blew it. He can get gone too.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I'm waiting to hear Qbs start blaming SIRI on their playbook tablets. It's not my fault, SIRI told me to throw it there.

When I posted what he said I posted how I understood it, but the wording certainly wasn't exact and it's possible that he didn't mean quite what I said.

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah Bartel was only All-State in 5A in Texas in High School, started two years in college and was on the roster of 5 different NFL teams, what does he know about how teams develop players?

The one thing that I'll never understand is how Bartel could just destroy the scrubs in preseason. I'm not talking about just being above average but posting QB ratings in the 130's with 75-80% completion rates and 8-9 yards per attempt . Numbers you would expect a top QB to put up against the scrubs. And then couldn't play vs the top guys. I guess the coaches never taught him how.

More likely it shows just how hard it is to play QB in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

Yeah Bartel was only All-State in 5A in Texas in High School, started two years in college and was on the roster of 5 different NFL teams, what does he know about how teams develop players?

The one thing that I'll never understand is how Bartel could just destroy the scrubs in preseason. I'm not talking about just being above average but posting QB ratings in the 130's with 75-80% completion rates and 8-9 yards per attempt . Numbers you would expect a top QB to put up against the scrubs. And then couldn't play vs the top guys. I guess the coaches never taught him how.

More likely it shows just how hard it is to play QB in the NFL.

And this has always been my point with players. I get not being physically able to succeed or play at a high level in this league. It is a land of big, fast monsters. Where I put it on the player is when he has the physical tools but doesn't put in the work to succeed because all that takes is time. If you study hard enough and do enough self correcting, you do eventually get a handle on the playbooks and opponents defensive schemes. This is my issue with Skelton.

 

[Duckjake]

And this has always been my point with players. I get not being physically able to succeed or play at a high level in this league. It is a land of big, fast monsters. Where I put it on the player is when he has the physical tools but doesn't put in the work to succeed because all that takes is time. If you study hard enough and do enough self correcting, you do eventually get a handle on the playbooks and opponents defensive schemes. This is my issue with Skelton.

I can see that but if that's all it takes then why aren't there more top tier QBs?

Is the limelight and money just too much for the guys that have the physical skills so they don't put in the work?

 

[Russ Smith]

Ok maybe he didn't say "no" development, but that there was a lack of it.

Ok but why in the world would anybody believe that after the years of narrative that Whiz "ruined" QBs by reworking their mechanics?

Seems to me Bartel has found his 15 minutes of fame and decided to play it to the hilt.

 

[52brandon]

but but but... Skelton got the short end of the stick...

“There were times when maybe I got the short end of the stick,” Skelton said

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...ext-Year/e4d15855-e687-4bec-b2fe-bde129e0f3fc

can't wait until he's unemployed

 

[Russ Smith]

When I posted what he said I posted how I understood it, but the wording certainly wasn't exact and it's possible that he didn't mean quite what I said.

I'm not saying he didn't say what you said he did. I'm saying what he said is completely inconsistent with what we were told by Ben R, Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart, Derek Anderson and on and on.

Go back and look at all the threads we have had on this board about how when Whiz coaches a QB he ruins them because he's so detail oriented in breaking down their mechanics that he makes guys nuts.

And yet Rich Bartel goes on radio saying there was little to no skill development and that's what the problem was, and we're supposed to believe him?

What's more likely that a string of QB's, and reporters who talked to them, are all lying about their experiences with Whiz, and that's 2 different teams, or that Rich Bartel has decided he's got the microphone right now and he's going to shake things up?

In no way am I saying Whiz was great at developing Qb's, but the notion that they didn't even try to develop QB's is completely disconnected from the reality we've been told about since Whiz arrived in Arizona.

 

[TigToad]

If we had one QB leave here and do anything, ever, I could accept Bartel's answer.

Warner got better here. Leinart hasn't been better elsewhere. He's a back up wherever he went.

Bartel, Hall, and the parade of other back up talent are gone from the league. Kolb has shown signs of improvement... jury's out.

I think the worst we can say is that Whiz, or someone (Graves? Keim? Miller?) make awful choices as to who to bring in as a QB.

I'm not saying he didn't say what you said he did. I'm saying what he said is completely inconsistent with what we were told by Ben R, Kurt Warner, Matt Leinart, Derek Anderson and on and on.

Go back and look at all the threads we have had on this board about how when Whiz coaches a QB he ruins them because he's so detail oriented in breaking down their mechanics that he makes guys nuts.

And yet Rich Bartel goes on radio saying there was little to no skill development and that's what the problem was, and we're supposed to believe him?

What's more likely that a string of QB's, and reporters who talked to them, are all lying about their experiences with Whiz, and that's 2 different teams, or that Rich Bartel has decided he's got the microphone right now and he's going to shake things up?

In no way am I saying Whiz was great at developing Qb's, but the notion that they didn't even try to develop QB's is completely disconnected from the reality we've been told about since Whiz arrived in Arizona.

 

[Russ Smith]

If we had one QB leave here and do anything, ever, I could accept Bartel's answer.

Warner got better here. Leinart hasn't been better elsewhere. He's a back up wherever he went.

Bartel, Hall, and the parade of other back up talent are gone from the league. Kolb has shown signs of improvement... jury's out.

I think the worst we can say is that Whiz, or someone (Graves? Keim? Miller?) make awful choices as to who to bring in as a QB.

Bingo. Bartel's comment is entirely self serving, it's not that I'm a mediocre QB, it's not that John Skelton was mediocre and Kolb etc. it's that we weren't properly developed.

I think the NFL wide opinion of how good Bartel is was sort of obvious this year as teams lined up to NOT sign him.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm waiting to hear Qbs start blaming SIRI on their playbook tablets. It's not my fault, SIRI told me to throw it there.

Hey! Go easy on SIRI. She's not half as obnoxious as the woman's voice at the A&P automated checkout station who keeps repeating: "Scan your next item NOW!"

Regarding Bartel - you may be right; his comments may be self-serving, but in light of all that went down this past season, he may be right. A logical explanation for lack of improvement by our QB's over the course of the season may very well be either inattention to helping QB's get better or poor teaching by the coaching staff. Can't prove it, but it makes sense.

 

[Chopper0080]

I can see that but if that's all it takes then why aren't there more top tier QBs?

Is the limelight and money just too much for the guys that have the physical skills so they don't put in the work?

On your first point it is because QB in the NFL takes tremendous physical skill now. Which leads to your second question.

It isn't so much the limelight and money that cause players to fail, though those can hurt players. It is that the difference between college and the pros is SO large. Very athletic players in college who are able to coast and rely on their physical skill alone, now have to put in more work than they ever have before to just COMPETE in the NFL. This is why wide receivers have such a tough time making the transition from college to the pros. It goes from run this route and make a play, to being a battle just getting off the line of scrimmage and having to do that while diagnosing the defense and making sure you make the correct route adjustment as the QB does. Big armed QBs can make late reads and use their arm strength to squeeze passes between college DBs. In the Pros, those DBs are faster and they bait those QBs into making those throws to create turnovers.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Peace out Skelton.. enjoy the CFL!

If he is soo unhappy, he needs to be part of the cleansing that is going to happen with the new regime..

I can't see another team even considering giving him the opportunity to compete for a starting position.. MAYBE a team signs him as the 3rd string, but even then I would be a little shocked..

It amazes me to hear this crap from him of all people.. what a complete joke..

 

[sportznutt]

John "the Dufus " Skelton should kiss the coaches arse for the chances he received. Get this ungrateful piece of crap out of Arizona now.

+1

I'm usually nice, but I'm the world's worst Skelton fan......

 

[desertdawg]

+1

I'm usually nice, but I'm the world's worst Skelton fan......

I'm with you roto. You should be able to throw the ball to get a QB job in the NFL, but that all goes back on Whiz too.