Jonathan Isaac

[leclerc]

I hope nit.

 

[hsandhu]

Sounds like Fultz, but that didn't seem to stop him from still being considered the #1.

Fultz didn't have lulls in production, smith had some monster games followed by down games that caused his stock to drop

 

[Chaplin]

Fultz didn't have lulls in production, smith had some monster games followed by down games that caused his stock to drop

He did reportedly sit out of games without being injured.

 

[Matt L]

Welcome to the club! Those of us that have watched it carefully since Watson took over are still wondering. High P&R content, mostly our front. Less isolation than when we had Bled, Dragic and IT, naturally. Fair amount of Booker coming off screens. I sometimes wonder if Earl isn't aiming for a Spur's style O with lots of ball movement but we definitely aren't there. Maybe with a balll handling wing along with Ulis, Booker and Bender it might progress that way. Few classic set plays and no 'motion offense' (Princeton) plays. When Ulis is running the show he probes a lot ala Nash.

That's as good of a description as there is. I appreciate less ISO, he must be hoping to build a Spurs type offense but the players don't have the acumen yet to implement the system....or he's not very good at explaining the system.

 

[hsandhu]

He did reportedly sit out of games without being injured.

But when he played the production didn't have drops like smith

 

[Carolinacacti]

Not a fan of his hair cut, but the kid can shoot.

 

[Mainstreet]

Also the Suns did a lot of drive and kick-out when Bledsoe ran the offense.

Often with out the kick-out.

 

[AZCrazy]

We're gonna get a great player. No worries.
It'll be fun to watch Ball become the next Manziel.

 

[iRobot]

I like Isaac, but not sure I like him more than Tatum.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Isaac is intriguing but lots of rumors about having his head in the right place worry me.

 

[hsandhu]

I like Isaac, but not sure I like him more than Tatum.

Tatum is the way safer bet, issac would have to blow me away during the workouts if I were the suns. And with tatum not like you are settling, he has potential to be a perennial all star.

And I still think there is a solid chance jackskn is there at 4.

 

[Finito]

Isaac is intriguing but lots of rumors about having his head in the right place worry me.

I haven't heard one rumor about his head not being on right.

 

[Finito]

Tatum is the way safer bet, issac would have to blow me away during the workouts if I were the suns. And with tatum not like you are settling, he has potential to be a perennial all star.

And I still think there is a solid chance jackskn is there at 4.

100% disagree Tatum isn't athletic enough to be a star in my opnion. He's kind of like a Warren type i think he will be solid but he's not a star

 

[AzStevenCal]

I haven't heard one rumor about his head not being on right.

I wasn't clear, I'm talking about his effort and focus, of which there have been many comments during the season.

 

[Carolinacacti]

I think Philly is going to use Simmons as the pg and draft Tatum. I would rather have Isaac then Jackson.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Philly is going to use Simmons as the pg and draft Tatum. I would rather have Isaac then Jackson.

I think they definitely plan on using him as a point forward and will still need a ball handling guard capable of making shots. Simmons can distribute but there's still going to be a point guard on the other side that will need to be covered and there's also the matter of bringing the ball up court.

 

[Finito]

Philly has Embid, Okafor, Simmons, Saric all young prospects but not one in the back court. They need back court help bad and I think that's the direction they go

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK. Is it just me or does Isaac seem to move strangely. His proportions are so skinny and that high top just makes him look even more awkward.

 

[sunsfan88]

Tatum is the way safer bet, issac would have to blow me away during the workouts if I were the suns. And with tatum not like you are settling, he has potential to be a perennial all star.

And I still think there is a solid chance jackskn is there at 4.

Tatum is more like a Marcus Morris type player. His ceiling is Carmelo Anthony and that type of iso scoring isn't popular in the NBA anymore. Ball movement and passing is what creates the most efficient offenses in the league today and Tatum would struggle with that.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

OK. Is it just me or does Isaac seem to move strangely. His proportions are so skinny and that high top just makes him look even more awkward.

His movement doesn't seem awkward at all to me. He struggles with contact at the moment, but that is really the only problem I have seen from a physical standpoint (hitting the weights will fix that).

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Tatum is more like a Marcus Morris type player. His ceiling is Carmelo Anthony and that type of iso scoring isn't popular in the NBA anymore. Ball movement and passing is what creates the most efficient offenses in the league today and Tatum would struggle with that.

This mixed with the fact that the Suns already have Booker who projects as an elite ISO scorer makes Tatum seem like even less of a fit.

Not to say that Booker will have to rely on ISO, but only that he will be able to go to it whenever needed. He certainly has other skill sets for scoring points.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Tatum is more like a Marcus Morris type player. His ceiling is Carmelo Anthony and that type of iso scoring isn't popular in the NBA anymore. Ball movement and passing is what creates the most efficient offenses in the league today and Tatum would struggle with that.

I disagree with this. It isn't as popular but it's necessary and I doubt any coach would turn away an effective one on one player. And that's without considering end-of-clock situations where ISO is often the play of choice.

If Tatum has Carmelo's skills, that's the guy we should go after. Unless you're saying he also has Anthony's mental makeup, in which case, pass. I do agree that Tatum's floor is that of a Morris brother but rising above that floor will likely depend on his foot speed IMO. And a good workout will reveal that, one way or the other.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I disagree with this. It isn't as popular but it's necessary and I doubt any coach would turn away an effective one on one player. And that's without considering end-of-clock situations where ISO is often the play of choice.

If Tatum has Carmelo's skills, that's the guy we should go after. Unless you're saying he also has Anthony's mental makeup, in which case, pass. I do agree that Tatum's floor is that of a Morris brother but rising above that floor will likely depend on his foot speed IMO. And a good workout will reveal that, one way or the other.

He isn't saying that ISO scoring can't be valuable, but only that it can't be all you rely on. Booker for instance is very good in ISO, but can also score off the ball as well as being the pick and roll ball handler. If Tatum can't be effective moving without the ball he will struggle in today's NBA.

 

[AzStevenCal]

He isn't saying that ISO scoring can't be valuable, but only that it can't be all you rely on. Booker for instance is very good in ISO, but can also score off the ball as well as being the pick and roll ball handler. If Tatum can't be effective moving without the ball he will struggle in today's NBA.

How often has it ever been where a team only relied on ISO? And while Booker makes one on one plays, I don't see us clearing out for him very often. To me it seems he just does it within the offense but maybe I haven't watched it closely enough.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

How often has it ever been where a team only relied on ISO? And while Booker makes one on one plays, I don't see us clearing out for him very often. To me it seems he just does it within the offense but maybe I haven't watched it closely enough.

This is the point I'm making. Booker is a good ISO player, but he rarely has to rely on that and can be effective playing within the scheme. The knock on Tatum at the moment is that he is reliant on ISO scoring (hence the Melo comps) and that isn't going to work in today's NBA because most teams aren't going to go away from team offense to just dump it down to an ISO player every other possession.

TBF though I have only seen a few Duke games this year and thus I may be missing something with Tatum's off ball scoring abilities.