Jordan looking for a 12 mill bonus

[joeshmo]

Jordan, who just completed his fourth NFL season, is considered by many the top running back in free agency now that the Seahawks and Colts put their franchise tags on Shaun Alexander and Edgerrin James. Jordan hopes to sign a deal that would pay him at least $12 million in guaranteed money.

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1109139026141640.xml

I like the guy a lot but 12 mill. for a guy who has never started and got all of his yards and highlight films in the 2nd half of games when Martin already softened up the D.

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1109139026141640.xml

I like the guy a lot but 12 mill. for a guy who has never started and got all of his yards and highlight films in the 2nd half of games when Martin already softened up the D.

That's all true but of course he has no control over when he plays, and all he can do is play well when he gets on the field.

Big money though.

 

[TheCardFan]

How smart is DG looking now?

Alexander, James, and Rudi Johnson franchised...and Jordan looking for Michael Jordan money, lol.

Henry is in the same class as those guys and we could pick him up for a guy we were going to cut anyway.

 

[Russ Smith]

How smart is DG looking now?

Alexander, James, and Rudi Johnson franchised...and Jordan looking for Michael Jordan money, lol.

Henry is in the same class as those guys and we could pick him up for a guy we were going to cut anyway.

I'm not all that surprised that Jordan wants a big bonus, he's waited 4 years to get to this position and if we took a RB at 8 we'd pay a similar bonus considering that DeAngelo Hall got a 13 million bonus as the 8th pick last year.

That has always been the if on Jordan, how was he going to want his money structured, sounds like he would have been out of our price range. What I think MAY happen to Jordan is all the RB's in the draft are going to lower his value, even though he's the best FA RB out there, a lot of teams may think why pay him 12 million upfront when I can draft a RB?

Interesting to see what he gets but he certainly wasn't going to get a bonus that big from us since we already have a similar bonus for whoever we pick at 8.

 

[ajcardfan]

I wouldn't be surprised if this brings our negotiations with Henry to a halt.

 

[Russ Smith]

I wouldn't be surprised if this brings our negotiations with Henry to a halt.

Why? you think Henry will ask for similar money, or something else?

 

[joeshmo]

I wouldn't be surprised if this brings our negotiations with Henry to a halt.

I doubt it. We are probably already in negotiations with Henry if the rumor is true and we want the deal to happen by March 2nd. It would only halt the talks if Jordan actually got an offer for 12 mill signing bonus, until he actually gets that offer it is nothing but conjecture.

 

[john h]

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1109139026141640.xml

I like the guy a lot but 12 mill. for a guy who has never started and got all of his yards and highlight films in the 2nd half of games when Martin already softened up the D.

I think all these RB's going down is only going to drive up what it takes to sign Henry to a long term contract. It will make it more difficult to make the trade as we surely would not trade him without a contract??? I bet he will want a lot more than Shelton gets and in my mind I would not trade Shelton whether he wants it or not if I did not get someone of equal value. Shelton is a need. He is priced right and basically a good guy. Sometime your best trade is the one you do not make. Randy Moss has indicated there are only a couple of teams he will go to one of them being Atlanta. These teams apparently do not want him so it is likely he will remain in MN. The more I think about it and the more things develop I think our best shot at getting a QB would be by trading Bolden. This guy could sit it out. It has happened before and he is going to want a lot of money. We have good receivers behind him so it is not like losing a Berry. Our problem in finding a FA QB as the better ones will go to teams who appear to have a shot at the playoffs unless we blow them away with an offer. Not likely. I think Denny wants a QB in the worst way as does Graves and they are keeping a low profile on the subject. I also think this is their #1 priority. No I am not smoking dope but it could be wishful thinking. I would like Griese but do not think he would come here if given a choice. Warner probably. Garcia I do not know. Rivers in my dreams with a trade for Bolden. Johnson a distinct possibility. Whoever we go after it better be quick after the date for trades and FA signing begins. The longer we wait the less likely we are to get who we want. The QB's will fall like dominoes come March 2. Within the next 45 days we will have a very good idea of just what kind of team we will have next year. This is an exciting time of the year.

 

[TheCardFan]

I doubt it. We are probably already in negotiations with Henry if the rumor is true and we want the deal to happen by March 2nd. It would only halt the talks if Jordan actually got an offer for 12 mill signing bonus, until he actually gets that offer it is nothing but conjecture.

Agreed...a deal in principle means they have agreed on the trade (players/picks) and an extension for Henry, IMO.

Jordan can want 12m all day long but I don't see a back-up RB getting that with the talent in the draft.

The only teams really desperate for a RB are Miami and Oakland. Miami will take Benson and that pretty much limits Jordan's market value. If I were him, I would want to land in Philly for less money.

 

[john h]

http://www.nj.com/jets/ledger/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/1109139026141640.xml

I like the guy a lot but 12 mill. for a guy who has never started and got all of his yards and highlight films in the 2nd half of games when Martin already softened up the D.

I agree that seems like a lot of money for a RB. I still do not know what it will take to sign Henry if we can make a trade. He may want a fortune and we may end up taking a RB in the draft. The Cards as they should are mum on the subject but we do know they have shown an interest in Henry. We do know they showed some interest last year in Carter when he was let go by Dallas so clearly they are on the hunt for a QB. Forget what they say as it is all a diversion at this time of the year.

 

[TheCardFan]

Shelton is a need. He is priced right and basically a good guy. Sometime your best trade is the one you do not make.

The more I think about it and the more things develop I think our best shot at getting a QB would be by trading Bolden.

Shelton is not a need. We don't need another LT and obviously Green doesn't think Shelton can contribute as a G or RT.

Trading Bolden is crazy talk and a desperate act. The old Cardinals would do this but not the new ones. Boldin is a proven NFL Wr...Rivers is a an unproven weak armed system QB who doesn't fit our system. Trade Boldin for Rivers...no way jose.

 

[john h]

How smart is DG looking now?

Alexander, James, and Rudi Johnson franchised...and Jordan looking for Michael Jordan money, lol.

Henry is in the same class as those guys and we could pick him up for a guy we were going to cut anyway.

Not so fast. We do not know what Henry wants in a long term contract. He may want as much as some of these guys. With so many RB's being franchised, signed,etc his price is going up each day and he and his agent know it. Surely we do not trade Shelton for a guy with a one year contract. Henry would be out of here in a New York minute when his contract was up. You only trade if you can agree on a contract. We sometimes do not appreciate just how good the guy we have is (Shelton). He is also a good guy and priced right. Who do we replace him with. Jeff has always shouted for offensive linemen. Well we got a decent one in Shelton and I am not so sure we should just send him packing with no replacement. We still got the guy for 3 years under favorable terms. Make peace with him and put him back in the starting lineup where he belongs. RB's are easier to replace the experienced quality down linemen.

 

[red desert]

I doubt it. We are probably already in negotiations with Henry if the rumor is true and we want the deal to happen by March 2nd. It would only halt the talks if Jordan actually got an offer for 12 mill signing bonus, until he actually gets that offer it is nothing but conjecture.

Yup.

 

[Russ Smith]

I doubt it. We are probably already in negotiations with Henry if the rumor is true and we want the deal to happen by March 2nd. It would only halt the talks if Jordan actually got an offer for 12 mill signing bonus, until he actually gets that offer it is nothing but conjecture.

That report now that I re-read it says 12 million i guaranteed money, not bonus, these days that typically means 1-2 years of salary included in the guarantee. So the bonus is more like 8-10 million. Still a lot of money.

 

[Faithful]

I think all these RB's going down is only going to drive up what it takes to sign Henry to a long term contract. It will make it more difficult to make the trade as we surely would not trade him without a contract??? I bet he will want a lot more than Shelton gets and in my mind I would not trade Shelton whether he wants it or not if I did not get someone of equal value. Shelton is a need. He is priced right and basically a good guy. Sometime your best trade is the one you do not make. Randy Moss has indicated there are only a couple of teams he will go to one of them being Atlanta. These teams apparently do not want him so it is likely he will remain in MN. The more I think about it and the more things develop I think our best shot at getting a QB would be by trading Bolden. This guy could sit it out. It has happened before and he is going to want a lot of money. We have good receivers behind him so it is not like losing a Berry. Our problem in finding a FA QB as the better ones will go to teams who appear to have a shot at the playoffs unless we blow them away with an offer. Not likely. I think Denny wants a QB in the worst way as does Graves and they are keeping a low profile on the subject. I also think this is their #1 priority. No I am not smoking dope but it could be wishful thinking. I would like Griese but do not think he would come here if given a choice. Warner probably. Garcia I do not know. Rivers in my dreams with a trade for Bolden. Johnson a distinct possibility. Whoever we go after it better be quick after the date for trades and FA signing begins. The longer we wait the less likely we are to get who we want. The QB's will fall like dominoes come March 2. Within the next 45 days we will have a very good idea of just what kind of team we will have next year. This is an exciting time of the year.

Why do people keep talking about trading Bolden I think he's our best receiver and has proven as much in the short time he's been here!

 

[Russ Smith]

Why do people keep talking about trading Bolden I think he's our best receiver and has proven as much in the short time he's been here!

Bolden I have no problem trading, now if we trade Boldin, I'll be mad.

 

[ajcardfan]

Why? you think Henry will ask for similar money, or something else?

Because if I'm Henry and his agent, I think I'm worth more on the open market than Jordan. Sure, he probably won't get 12 mil. But, if he gets 7 or 8 guaranteed, then Henry will want at least that much. So, why not wait? His deal has to be redone, there's no pressure on him to sign an extension now.

 

[chickenhead]

I think there's a big difference between two clubs (Cardinals and Bills) talking to each other, and Jordan's agent talking to the Star-Ledger. Maybe Jordan will hold out for that much--maybe he will even get that much--but I don't think it's yet something Henry can point to for a definitive comparison. Especially when it comes to guaranteed money.

 

[Russ Smith]

Because if I'm Henry and his agent, I think I'm worth more on the open market than Jordan. Sure, he probably won't get 12 mil. But, if he gets 7 or 8 guaranteed, then Henry will want at least that much. So, why not wait? His deal has to be redone, there's no pressure on him to sign an extension now.

Yeah that does make sense. Personally I think Jordan will get more than Henry because I think regardless of 4 years of stats, most NFL teams will value Jordan more. They were in the same draft, Jordan went first, he just happened to go to a team that had Curtis Martin. 4 years later Henry has had much more success, but he's also had knee surgery, a stress fracture in his leg, and torn ankle ligaments, Jordan hasn't played nearly as much and has no injury history.

But if I were Henry's agent you're right I'd wait to see what Jordan gets and then ask for more.

 

[Red Air Force]

:bim: Bol-DIN

 

[JPlay]

Jordan won't get that. He hasn't proven himself yet. A team would be stupid to pay that will all of the talent at RB in the draft.

 

[Russ Smith]

Jordan won't get that. He hasn't proven himself yet. A team would be stupid to pay that will all of the talent at RB in the draft.

Right because taking a RB in round one would cost as much if not more(depending on where you pick) to take a player who not only hasn't proven himself, hasn't even played in an NFL game.

Jordan is kind of unique, virtually everyone agrees he's good, but he's never got to start because of Martin. Going to be very tough to figure out his exact fair market value.

But really, compare Jordan to Ronnie Brown and the only real differences is are age, and that one guy has actually played in the NFL(and been a workhorse in college). Jordan is just as big and fast as Brown, is a terrific receiver, he just got unlucky in where he was drafted.

There really is no right answer on him I think his agent is doing the right thing, ask for the moon and then come down.

 

[GreenCard]

Do we want Pat Williams bad enough to horse the Bills around til they lose Pat then trade Shelton to the Bears or TB for a 2nd round pick.

 

[TheCardFan]

Do we want Pat Williams bad enough to horse the Bills around til they lose Pat then trade Shelton to the Bears or TB for a 2nd round pick.

Pat Williams would be fantastic for us but I think a 1300/1400/1500 yard back would do more for us than the difference between Pat Williams and another DT that we can get.

 

[az1965]

Henry is in the same class as those guys and we could pick him up for a guy we were going to cut anyway.

How do you know Shelton is going to get cut?

Just because we let him seek a trade, does not necessarily mean he will be cut. He is still a valuable player and I would say that probably the second best player on the OL. Actually, he was the most consistent player in 2003 but off season surgery and weight problem caused him to be in DG's dog house.