Josh Jackson at PG?

[sunsfan88]

Can we rename this thread? It throws me for a loop every time I login.

Same.

 

[TJ]

I don't think he's the long term answer as a starter but he'd be a nice short time solution and a great backup afterwards. I think we'd all be thrilled to get him for a 2nd rounder but I doubt that Philly would make the deal.

Probably not the long-term answer, but a guy to get in, try out, and take the burden of running the offense away from Booker. I think he offers a lot to a young team, including on-court leadership, willingness to play defense, and can legitimately facilitate an offense.

If the Suns gave Philly two 2nd round picks for him, I would not be mad.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Probably not the long-term answer, but a guy to get in, try out, and take the burden of running the offense away from Booker.

If the Suns gave Philly two 2nd round picks for him, I would not be mad.

Actually, at this point I'd probably give up the Milwaukee pick for him.

 

[TJ]

Actually, at this point I'd probably give up the Milwaukee pick for him.

Damn. I love me some TJ, but I wouldn't do that.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Damn. I love me some TJ, but I wouldn't do that.

It's a gamble but I expect it to convey in the 2020 draft and will likely be in the 20's. Right now that's still an overpay but when you consider need, it makes sense to me unless a better pg option comes around.

 

[Phrazbit]

It's a gamble but I expect it to convey in the 2020 draft and will likely be in the 20's. Right now that's still an overpay but when you consider need, it makes sense to me unless a better pg option comes around.

Yeah... I think people are picturing that Milwaukee pick going in the teens. The East keeps getting worse. It almost certainly won't convey next year and in 2020 I think somewhere between 20-24 is a good bet.

If McConnell had a few years left on his deal I think I'd probably swing that trade, I like him, I think he'd be a real stabilizing player for this young team, but if he has visions of being a full time starter and wants starting money next summer then there is no way. I think a reasonable contract for him would be like 2-3 years 10-15 million, but I think after being a starter for a year and probably putting up something like 10 points, 7 assists and playing good defense, he'd want more.

As much as I like him, I think his contract makes him yet another stop-gap.

If we HAVE to do a stop gap trade I'd prefer Teague or Dragic, but only if they gave up their option years... which obviously they wouldn't do.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'd call Philly and offer a 2nd round pick for T.J. McConnell. While not a sexy name, he's a very solid PG and leader who's stuck behind Simmons and Fultz. He's also indicated that he's likely not returning to Philly after this season.

Low risk, potential high reward transaction, IMO.

I don’t see a 2nd as enough to entice them to give up a serviceable player when they think they have a shot this year. Think back to Nash’s Suns. They wouldn’t have bit for a 2nd if they were contending.

 

[TJ]

I don’t see a 2nd as enough to entice them to give up a serviceable player when they think they have a shot this year. Think back to Nash’s Suns. They wouldn’t have bit for a 2nd if they were contending.

You're probably right. Point remains that we wouldn't have to break our foundation to get McConnell like we would have to for a guy like Walker or Lillard.

 

[TJ]

Yeah... I think people are picturing that Milwaukee pick going in the teens. The East keeps getting worse. It almost certainly won't convey next year and in 2020 I think somewhere between 20-24 is a good bet.

If McConnell had a few years left on his deal I think I'd probably swing that trade, I like him, I think he'd be a real stabilizing player for this young team, but if he has visions of being a full time starter and wants starting money next summer then there is no way. I think a reasonable contract for him would be like 2-3 years 10-15 million, but I think after being a starter for a year and probably putting up something like 10 points, 7 assists and playing good defense, he'd want more.

As much as I like him, I think his contract makes him yet another stop-gap.

If we HAVE to do a stop gap trade I'd prefer Teague or Dragic, but only if they gave up their option years... which obviously they wouldn't do.

McConnel will probably get something like a 4-year $32 mil contract after the season elsewhere, based on current market trends. I doubt he's going to have an opportunity in Philly this season to increase his value.

Nonetheless, I think it'd absolutely be worth it to bring him in this season and try him out as the full-time starter. If he pans out, who knows. IMO, he's underutilized and stuck in a hole in Philly, much like Nash when he was drafted by Phoenix.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

You're probably right. Point remains that we wouldn't have to break our foundation to get McConnell like we would have to for a guy like Walker or Lillard.

True. And I like McConnell for this squad.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

McConnel will probably get something like a 4-year $32 mil contract after the season elsewhere, based on current market trends. I doubt he's going to have an opportunity in Philly this season to increase his value.

Nonetheless, I think it'd absolutely be worth it to bring him in this season and try him out as the full-time starter. If he pans out, who knows. IMO, he's underutilized and stuck in a hole in Philly, much like Nash when he was drafted by Phoenix.

Difference being Nash was special in college, hence being a mid-round pick. Was McConnell even drafted?

 

[Chaplin]

Damn. I love me some TJ, but I wouldn't do that.

Well, Philly wouldn't do two 2nd rounders for him either.

 

[Raindog]

I don't know why Philly wouldn't take some very highly protected, six years down the road, first rounder for McConnell...

... you know, like the kind of "asset" McD was always trading for.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well, Philly wouldn't do two 2nd rounders for him either.

It will take the Milwaukee pick, most likely. Might be worth it.

Competent pg now.
Good back up pg for the future.
Smart player, coach on the bench.
Frees up some extra money for free agency because it removes a cap hold for the pick (when the pick actually conveys).

Seriously. What are we going to get with that pick in the draft or for that pick in trade anyway?

 

[TJ]

Difference being Nash was special in college, hence being a mid-round pick. Was McConnell even drafted?

He wasn't drafted.

I'm not equating McConnell to Nash because McConnell doesn't have the scoring ability that Nash had and can't pass like him, though McConnell could easily average 8 assist/game if given the keys. I also think McConnell is a better defender than Booker, and that alone would be a reason to give him a look instead of slotting Booker at PG.

 

[TJ]

It will take the Milwaukee pick, most likely. Might be worth it.

Competent pg now.
Good back up pg for the future.
Smart player, coach on the bench.
Frees up some extra money for free agency because it removes a cap hold for the pick (when the pick actually conveys).

Seriously. What are we going to get with that pick in the draft or for that pick in trade anyway?

The more I discuss it here and think about it, the more I wouldn't mind sending over the Milwaukee pick for McConnell, and I think given that McConnell is almost a lock to leave Philly in a year, that Philly would do that deal straight up.

 

[slinslin]

McConnel is a backup, we need a starter.

If we are going to shell out a first round pick I want an established starter or with such talents.

I might do Bender and Milwaukee pick for D'Angelo Russell. Not a fan of him but he at least has a chance to be good if he gets the sloppiness out of his game.

 

[TJ]

McConnel is a backup, we need a starter.

If we are going to shell out a first round pick I want an established starter or with such talents.

I might do Bender and Milwaukee pick for D'Angelo Russell. Not a fan of him but he at least has a chance to be good if he gets the sloppiness out of his game.

D'Angelo would be an awful fit for this team, and that's being generous. He's a score-first PG who averages like 2 assists/game. We already have Booker, Ayton, Anderson and others as scoring threats. McConnell as a starter would be a much better fit than Russell, and cost much less. We need a guy who would improve the flow of the offense, and Russell would make that worse.

 

[Mainstreet]

I don't know why Philly wouldn't take some very highly protected, six years down the road, first rounder for McConnell...

... you know, like the kind of "asset" McD was always trading for.

I bet the 76ers would have gladly taken the future Miami pick for him. I'm not saying this would have been the best trade. However, the Suns would have solved one of the weakest positions on their roster after filling the center position. Seemingly McDonough didn't value the need at point guard as much as most fans.

 

[slinslin]

D'Angelo would be an awful fit for this team, and that's being generous. He's a score-first PG who averages like 2 assists/game. We already have Booker, Ayton, Anderson and others as scoring threats. McConnell as a starter would be a much better fit than Russell, and cost much less. We need a guy who would improve the flow of the offense, and Russell would make that worse.

Couldn't disagree more

The ball will be mostly in Booker's hands anyway.

Our PG needs to be a secondary or alternative playmaker to Booker and most importantly be a good shooter, simply be able to put points on the board.

Russell can shoot and can play the pick and roll well.

My issue with Russell is that he seems immature still, too lackadaisical.

Defense would be nice as well, but not like Mcconnell would give us that either.

 

[TJ]

Couldn't disagree more

The ball will be mostly in Booker's hands anyway.

Our PG needs to be a secondary or alternative playmaker to Booker and most importantly be a good shooter, simply be able to put points on the board.

Russell can shoot and can play the pick and roll well.

My issue with Russell is that he seems immature still, too lackadaisical.

Defense would be nice as well, but not like Mcconnell would give us that either.

We have guys who can put points on the board, we just don't have anyone who can facilitate the offense. Russell isn't that guy. And Booker plays better as a 2 guard.

McConnell is a very good defender. Hard-nosed, not afraid to get in other players' faces. Also much more mature than Russell. Trust me, we don't need malcontents in our locker room.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

He wasn't drafted.

I'm not equating McConnell to Nash because McConnell doesn't have the scoring ability that Nash had and can't pass like him, though McConnell could easily average 8 assist/game if given the keys. I also think McConnell is a better defender than Booker, and that alone would be a reason to give him a look instead of slotting Booker at PG.

I agree with all of that.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

McConnel is a backup, we need a starter.

If we are going to shell out a first round pick I want an established starter or with such talents.

I might do Bender and Milwaukee pick for D'Angelo Russell. Not a fan of him but he at least has a chance to be good if he gets the sloppiness out of his game.

That dude is a detractor for most teams. Hard pass. He wouldn’t think he has eat after Ayton and booker.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We have guys who can put points on the board, we just don't have anyone who can facilitate the offense. Russell isn't that guy. And Booker plays better as a 2 guard.

McConnell is a very good defender. Hard-nosed, not afraid to get in other players' faces. Also much more mature than Russell. Trust me, we don't need malcontents in our locker room.

Amen.

 

[Raindog]

I would be good with McConnell, too. It really shouldn't take much to pry him from Philly.