Josh Rosen brings UCLA back from down 44-10

[Russ Smith]

I'm not saying this makes the come back any less valid, after all UCLA would have had three more downs to score. However it looked to me like if they had reviewed that final touchdown it would have been nullified. The receiver had not secured it with his foot inbounds.

Yeah that's been discussed at length on UCLA boards and lots of people agree it probably wasn't a catch.

 

[Russ Smith]

where exactly did I mention a qbr?? dude has no receivers and still completed 70% for 289 yds....plus had about 4 or 5 drops
he played a bad game but if that is the worst he ever produces there is nothing to be ashamed of

There's a guy on BRO(UCLA board) who has been touting Darnold since he got to USC, telling everyone he was not only better than the incumbent USC QB and would take his job, but that he was better than Rosen. He wasn't popular for saying it but I think now even most UCLA fans agree.

There is one pretty convincing dissenter on that board who says his concern on Darnold and Rosen is that Rosen may turn out to be Manning and Darnold may turn out to be Ryan Leaf. He doesn't mean Rosen will be that good, or that Darnold will be that big of a bust. Just that talent wise Rosen more resembles Manning, not mobile but beats you from the pocket, and Darnold resembles Leaf, better athlete, even a bigger arm, but not polished.

The general argument against that is of the 2, so far it seems to be Rosen not Darnold who has the more questionable personality.

 

[oaken1]

There's a guy on BRO(UCLA board) who has been touting Darnold since he got to USC, telling everyone he was not only better than the incumbent USC QB and would take his job, but that he was better than Rosen. He wasn't popular for saying it but I think now even most UCLA fans agree.

There is one pretty convincing dissenter on that board who says his concern on Darnold and Rosen is that Rosen may turn out to be Manning and Darnold may turn out to be Ryan Leaf. He doesn't mean Rosen will be that good, or that Darnold will be that big of a bust. Just that talent wise Rosen more resembles Manning, not mobile but beats you from the pocket, and Darnold resembles Leaf, better athlete, even a bigger arm, but not polished.

The general argument against that is of the 2, so far it seems to be Rosen not Darnold who has the more questionable personality.

it is always hard to tell how a player will make the transition. I think between Darnold, Jackson, Allen, and Rosen we will see the best overall QB class since the 83 class

 

[NJCardFan]

You are confusing point spread with money line.

A hundred dollar bet on Howard at +45 paid out $190.90. (Bet 11 to win 10)

Due to the very very large point spread there would have been no money line on that game.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article171087532.html

It was perhaps fitting that the game was in Las Vegas, where someone apparently made a costly miscalculation on this spread. Vegas analyst RJ Bell tweeted early Sunday that a $100 bet on Howard to win outright would have paid out $55,000.

 

[Russ Smith]

it is always hard to tell how a player will make the transition. I think between Darnold, Jackson, Allen, and Rosen we will see the best overall QB class since the 83 class

I certainly hope Rosen is that good this year but I still have concerns about his shoulder long term and while I think UCLA has issues that make it harder on him, no run game, weak OL, average Wr's, I do worry he'll throw lots of picks in the NFL if he doesn't fix his tendency to force it into coverage.

Lots of people on BRO think he'll be a better pro than college QB because of the OL and lack of run game but really good qB's tend to get drafted by really bad teams.

Darnold is better suited to deal with things not going as planned.

I do think if you need a QB, this is the draft to try and get one.

 

[JeffGollin]

Where does the Louisville QB (Lamar Jackson) fit into the 2018 draft picture along side Darnold, Rosen & others. He seems to have an elite arm, wheels etc. Assuming that AZ plays well enough to draft in the #15 a #25 area, is Jackson worth considering?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Where does the Louisville QB (Lamar Jackson) fit into the 2018 draft picture along side Darnold, Rosen & others. He seems to have an elite arm, wheels etc. Assuming that AZ plays well enough to draft in the #15 a #25 area, is Jackson worth considering?

Drafting 15-25 would be the opposite of playing well enough.

 

[Russ Smith]

After reading a bunch of comments on BRO about the game my concerns about Rosen are still there. one of the issues I've had with him all along for the NFL are he seems hesitant to let the ball go unless the WR is really open, and he tends to struggle throwing the deep ball, he has the arm to do it but doesn't seem to hit them when open.

This was apparently the case for 3 quarters yesterday, UCLA felt he had guys open but didn't throw the ball because he was hesitant they weren't open enough. The windows in the NFL are much smaller than in college, you have to be able to and willing to throw the ball and trust your guy will get it, sounds like that's what Rosen did in the 4th quarter so hopefully that's a turning point for him but I suspect it's more likely they were so far down he just decided to wing it.

He has the tools and everyone insists he's looked really good in camp so I guess we'll see if the comeback carries over to a strong season, virtually nobody expects him to return to UCLA this is his last year there almost 100% sure.

 

[don7031]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/college/article171087532.html

http://www.barstoolsports.com/dmv/c...iggest-upset-in-college-football-history-5500

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Where does the Louisville QB (Lamar Jackson) fit into the 2018 draft picture along side Darnold, Rosen & others. He seems to have an elite arm, wheels etc. Assuming that AZ plays well enough to draft in the #15 a #25 area, is Jackson worth considering?

I know my scout friend like him a lot.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

After reading a bunch of comments on BRO about the game my concerns about Rosen are still there. one of the issues I've had with him all along for the NFL are he seems hesitant to let the ball go unless the WR is really open, and he tends to struggle throwing the deep ball, he has the arm to do it but doesn't seem to hit them when open.

This was apparently the case for 3 quarters yesterday, UCLA felt he had guys open but didn't throw the ball because he was hesitant they weren't open enough. The windows in the NFL are much smaller than in college, you have to be able to and willing to throw the ball and trust your guy will get it, sounds like that's what Rosen did in the 4th quarter so hopefully that's a turning point for him but I suspect it's more likely they were so far down he just decided to wing it.

He has the tools and everyone insists he's looked really good in camp so I guess we'll see if the comeback carries over to a strong season, virtually nobody expects him to return to UCLA this is his last year there almost 100% sure.

I just read where his coach expects he will not go pro in 2018. He didn't state why in the article I read, but it sounded like he knew what the kids thoughts were on the subject.

He was surely lucky to win that game, but any qb would have to be in coming back from so far down and when the other team knows you are going to pass every single down. Some of his passes were truly beautiful though. He hit his receivers on the run many times, and I loved the way he dropped the ball over the top of one or two defenders right to his WR. No QB could have pulled that off without tons of confidence in himself, a bit of luck, and just enough blocking for him to go through his reads. He throws nice straight passes with enough touch that they are easy to catch. His WRs must love playing with him. Being in So Cal, it will be fun this year watching both USC's and UCLA's QBs play each week. I might have to ignore my alma mater, ASU, and some of their games this season.

For those of you who don't know it, Josh is probably close to being a genius, is very well read, and interested in a lot of serious things besides football and school. Kids don't come much smarter. He probably has a few quirks personality wise, but who wouldn't if your were obviously Jewish, going to a Catholic high school, and professing the fact that you're an atheist. I think his mom was Catholic and Dad Jewish. They approved totally of his free thinking. Both parents are brilliant in their fields, and very well educated. They come from an affluent family that goes way back. Josh's father, Charles Rosen, is a spine surgeon who was on President Obama's short list for surgeon general. Josh's mother, Liz Lippincott, is a former editor at Sportstyle and Golfpro magazines, and both are accomplished ice dancers. His Mom, is a Princeton graduate, and is the great-great-granddaughter of Joseph Wharton, who founded the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. She's also the great-great-granddaughter of Joshua Ballinger Lippincott, who founded the J.B. Lippincott publishing company in 1836.

I would say he will be more like a Peyton Manning type, really smart and able dissect defenses through good blocking and standing tall in the pocket. He won't be as athletic as some of the QBs he will be grouped in with in whichever draft he goes in, but it looks to me that he will be smart enough to be successful in the NFL. I would be for the Cards taking him if they ever had a chance to. Who knows, he could fall to them wherever they pick at. Heck, I might even be wishing they trade up for him if the questions regarding his arm/shoulder are fully resolved. I could see him battling Gabbert for the starting job on the Cards in a year or two.

 

[Russ Smith]

I just read where his coach expects he will not go pro in 2018. He didn't state why in the article I read, but it sounded like he knew what the kids thoughts were on the subject.

He was surely lucky to win that game, but any qb would have to be in coming back from so far down and when the other team knows you are going to pass every single down. Some of his passes were truly beautiful though. He hit his receivers on the run many times, and I loved the way he dropped the ball over the top of one or two defenders right to his WR. No QB could have pulled that off without tons of confidence in himself, a bit of luck, and just enough blocking for him to go through his reads. He throws nice straight passes with enough touch that they are easy to catch. His WRs must love playing with him. Being in So Cal, it will be fun this year watching both USC's and UCLA's QBs play each week. I might have to ignore my alma mater, ASU, and some of their games this season.

For those of you who don't know it, Josh is probably close to being a genius, is very well read, and interested in a lot of serious things besides football and school. Kids don't come much smarter. He probably has a few quirks personality wise, but who wouldn't if your were obviously Jewish, going to a Catholic high school, and professing the fact that you're an atheist. I think his mom was Catholic and Dad Jewish. They approved totally of his free thinking. Both parents are brilliant in their fields, and very well educated. They come from an affluent family that goes way back. Josh's father, Charles Rosen, is a spine surgeon who was on President Obama's short list for surgeon general. Josh's mother, Liz Lippincott, is a former editor at Sportstyle and Golfpro magazines, and both are accomplished ice dancers. His Mom, is a Princeton graduate, and is the great-great-granddaughter of Joseph Wharton, who founded the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. She's also the great-great-granddaughter of Joshua Ballinger Lippincott, who founded the J.B. Lippincott publishing company in 1836.

I would say he will be more like a Peyton Manning type, really smart and able dissect defenses through good blocking and standing tall in the pocket. He won't be as athletic as some of the QBs he will be grouped in with in whichever draft he goes in, but it looks to me that he will be smart enough to be successful in the NFL. I would be for the Cards taking him if they ever had a chance to. Who knows, he could fall to them wherever they pick at. Heck, I might even be wishing they trade up for him if the questions regarding his arm/shoulder are fully resolved. I could see him battling Gabbert for the starting job on the Cards in a year or two.

I like him but I have concerns about the shoulder. As a Cards fan in this offense that Arians likes to go deep, I'd have a concern because again one of the big issues in Rosens' career so far has been hitting the big plays when they're open. Again he has the arm, but has not hit them at a very impressive rate. he's not had great WR's for sure, and this year even less, and the OL has been terrible, but that just makes it more critical when someone is open to get the ball to them and he has missed some big plays so far.

Catchable ball I agree with although the amount of drops UCLA had was staggering, I think that was more do to WR's with bad hands.

It would be a major surprise if he doesn't go pro after this year he's been very clear about his feelings on how the NCAA exploits athletes, he has been VERY outspoken about how playing college football and being a real student don't go together. Maybe that means he wants to stay at UCLA and get his degree, maybe that's what Mora is thinking, but IMO it means he gets that the NCAA is using him and he'll go pro as soon as he can knowing full well he can always come back later and get his degree.

One of the reasons I personally think he's misunderstood is people think he's saying pay me now I want money. What he's REALLY saying, and he's been pretty clear about this is, the vast majority of guys playing college football, basketball etc are never going to play in the NFL or NBA and many won't ever earn a paycheck playing sports. As he said there are many "serious Student athletes" in college, the problem is hte way the system is set up it's difficult for those guys to get an actually valuable education. It's easy to play 4 years and never take real classes, all the big programs can let you do that, but if you actually want to get an education that can lead to a career, and play bigtime college football, it's VERY difficult.

yes there are examples of guys getting degrees in 3 years, becoming Rhodes Scholars etc but those are few and far between, most bigtime college football programs see those kids the way Ohio State saw Robert Smith all those years ago, TOSU saw it as inconvenient to their football program.

The point he was making and has made really for 3 years now is most of the guys I'm playing with aren't going to play in the NFL, I might have that opportunity, lots of them won't. The current system makes it harder for them to get an education that they can fall back on when football ends.

So I like Josh as a person, I have some questions of him as an NFL QB but I do think if we're drafting towards the end of the first round and he's sitting there I'd be awfully tempted to take him, even move up a bit to take him if the other guys are gone.

I still love Darnold, I' haven't seen Jackson or Allen enough to have an opinion on them