Jurecki on FOX Sports Arizona-Cards like Lovie Smith and Nick Saban.

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by pinnacle
Romeo Crennel is at the top of my list right now..but my list only contains guys we could realistically get. They have about 1/2 of their starters injured on defense and the defensive roster is full of retreads that anyone could have added - and they are 4th in the NFL in terms of points given up.

I am assuming he learned something coaching under Bill Parcells and Billicheck. Al Saunders would be at the top - but I do not think he is leaving Kansas City and has been promised the head coaching job.

Lovie Smith is in the top 3...I just like Crennel more.

We're on the exact same page.

Woo hoo!

 

[pinnacle]

Section 11: the only strike against Romeo is that "thou who shalt not be named" has pumped him on call in shows on KDUS in the past as a guy the Cardinals should get for a head coach (as opposed to "coach rah rah") ..not lately that I have heard - but maybe a year or six months ago..

 

[SECTION 11]

NEM's not always wrong.

I like this guy. His defenses change weekly almost. They're supposedly the toughest in the league to prepare for (unlike Tampa who runs a vanilla defense).
His "Big Nickel" package (three safeties) might turn around a guy like Wilson.

 

[Red Air Force]

I don't get the "proven" argument really. Guys like Gruden, Cowher, Lewis, Reid, Fisher, etc. were not "proven" head coaches who could put together a name staff. They were talented guys, who could get the job done.

Exactly! Every good coach came from somewhere. When considering a coordinator for a Head Coaching job I think you need to not only look at the performance of his squads, but also at his pedigree. Guys like Shanahan, Holmgren, Gruden, Cowher can all trace their liniage back through the great ones like Walsh, Bryant, and Lombardi. Before looking at any assistant, I would first look to see who he learned from, and what kind of mentors he had as his example of how to organize a team.

 

[Ryanwb]

Me Lovie, Lovie

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
NEM's not always wrong.

Ahhh! Turncoat, turncoat

 

[Red Air Force]

This is pretty cool.

Bill walsh coaching tree -

· Brian Billick
· Pete Carroll
· Bruce Coslet
· Tony Dungy
· Dennis Green
· John Gruden
· Mike Holmgren
· Steve Marriucci
· Ray Rhodes
· Mike Shanahan
· George Seifert
· Dick Vermeil
· Mike White
· Andy Reid
· Sam Wyche

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by pinnacle
Romeo Crennel is at the top of my list right now..but my list only contains guys we could realistically get. They have about 1/2 of their starters injured on defense and the defensive roster is full of retreads that anyone could have added - and they are 4th in the NFL in terms of points given up.

I am assuming he learned something coaching under Bill Parcells and Billicheck. Al Saunders would be at the top - but I do not think he is leaving Kansas City and has been promised the head coaching job.

Lovie Smith is in the top 3...I just like Crennel more.

Crennel is possibly quite good too. But, under Belicheck and Parcells, how much was he truly responsible for the defensive personnel and game plans? In my mind, that's something you really need to straighten out in the selection process. That's not a concern with a guy like Smith, you KNOW he's coming from a situation where Martz has nothing to do with the defense at all. And I think that defense overachieves with it's talent and has a knack for producing big plays.

Look at my sig below for the dangers of hiring a DC or OC where the head coach was really involved on that side of the ball.

 

[Red Air Force]

Lovie Smith's Lineage -

T. Dungy - D. Green (Walsh) / C. Knoll / M. Shotenhiemer

M. Martz - D. Vermiel (Walsh)

Those are some pretty good examples to follow.

Also when I was looking at his bio, the rams have him listed as the assistant head coach, which I thought was interesting. He's obviously being groomed to take the next step.

 

[SECTION 11]

On the other hand though, Belichich defers almost all of the credit to Crennel for their defense. That and the fact that the defense changes constantly might help with that.
That's a damn good point though AJ.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by CaliforniaCard

Also when I was looking at his bio, the rams have him listed as the assistant head coach, which I thought was interesting. He's obviously being groomed to take the next step.

That's because Martz does nothing, absolutely nothing, with the defense in St. Louis. A big plus for Smith in my mind. See my post above.

 

[Shuesters2]

Other HC candidates,

How about Philly's def Cord Jimmie Johnson or Tampa Bay's Monte Kiffin? Their track record is longer and better than Lovie's.

Shuesters

 

[Harry]

Saban has had serious issues with micro management that has caused problems with his coaching staff. In the NFL that would produce fractions and be deadly. Besides, forget any prominent college coach. They all make more than the Cards would pay.

That also eliminates guys like Jimmy Johnson and probably Dennis Green.

Smith is a better choice, but I don't think his defensive players have played to their potential. They are pretty inconsistent.

Crennel is probably the best of the bunch mentioned. He is his own man and he is very creative. He also might be had for a price Dollar Bill would pay.

I'll give you my candidates once there is really a job available, though I absolutely believe Mac is Gone.

By the way, Arizona struck gold with Stoops. Forget the Big 12 Championship, that guy is innovative and can coach.

 

[pinnacle]

Harry....hey - you picked my guy Romeo From a realistic standpoint - he is at the top of my list. There is something to be said for a guy who coaches the team that is the farthest from arizona - maybe he cannot smell the stench of this organization as much as the coaching candidates that we are closer to and have more ties with (teams in the NFC, etc.). I cannot think of any former cardinals that have gone to new england to play - other than Larry Centers...and we rarely play them - so this may be a plus..I know...everyone knows we are pathetic - but probably some moreso than others.. I see Larry Centers resigned with NE today..they let him go earlier in the year...but he obviously was in washington after he left the cardinals. He is the type of retread player the patriots get some production from on occasion - especially defensive players.

Stoops was a great hire for UofA...they did the right thing by getting him early before all of the other teams looking for a coach would be interviewing him. He..in my opinion..is a way better coach than what ASU has.

 

[Assface]

Originally posted by KingLouieLouie
The Cardinals need to finally hire an offensive oriented coach especially if they're drafting a 1st round QB, with Boldin, Johnson, and Shipp already being the main weapons on offense.... Someone who can even elevate all of them to the next level....

We don't need an offensive minded coach just becuase most of our talent is on that side of the ball. Look at Dungy with the Colts. He prefers boring, defensive football but has given his OC free reign because of the existing talent. If we bring in a defensive minded HC as long as he brings in a good OC there won't be any problem. IF we get somenone well respected like Lovie of Crennel we should be able to get some good assistants. I think the job that Lewis has done in Cincy will have a tremendous positive impact on us, if we follow the same route.

I think Smith would be great for this team. He is a Kiffin disciple and will bring to the team something we sorely need: discipline. The team has looked absolutely lost. Players out of position, false starts, leaving Owens uncovered (!?!?!) and numerous breakdowns. Everything seems to be done half assed, from game preperation to in game management. In Tampa Kiffin has had the most successful defense in the league over that last6 years or so, yet they run perhaps the most basic scheme and don't change mush for anyone. Why are they still succesfull after all this time with no tailoring the game plan to the opposing team? Discipline. Everyone is so well taught and trained that they know their role and do their job. Smith would give us a direction and an identity. He definately gets my vote for head coach.

 

[Red Dawn]

Ok, lets cut to the chase....which one of these guys gives the best "rah rah" speeches?

 

[Assface]

Originally posted by Red Dawn
Ok, lets cut to the chase....which one of these guys gives the best "rah rah" speeches?

How about we just replace the entire coaching staff with the cheerleading squad?

 

[CardinalMike]

Originally posted by Assface
How about we just replace the entire coaching staff with the cheerleading squad?

Yeah our HC, OC and DC could all jello wrestle on the sidelines to distract the other team! We might only lose by 20 instead of 30!

Cardinal Mike!!

 

[Southpaw]

Originally posted by Holian
He mentioned that he go this info. from outside sources but I wonder what the heck that means. He seems to be pretty tight with alot of Cardinal people and maybe he is floating this out to see what reaction they will get. Jurecki mentioned that he doubted the Cards would be willing to pay the money necessary to pry a guy like Saban away from LSU and kind of implied that a guy like Lovie Smith seemed to be a good fit.

Jurecki talks alot and alot of his stuff is just internet smoke, but we have all discussed Lovie Smith in the past. He certainly fits what has been typical Cardinal hiring practice-previous defensive coordinator promoted to the head coach of the Cards. Happened with Buddy Ryan, Vince Tobin, and Dave McGinnis.

Too bad for me that these are the targets of rumors. Both are defensive specialists not unlike the last 4 Card coaches, none of whom had any success while driving fans away. TDs fill seats.

 

[earthsci]

Re: Re: Jurecki on FOX Sports Arizona-Cards like Lovie Smith and Nick Saban.

Originally posted by wallyburger
...not unlike the last 4 Card coaches, none of whom had any success while driving fans away...

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Re: Re: Jurecki on FOX Sports Arizona-Cards like Lovie Smith and Nick Saban.

Originally posted by wallyburger
TDs fill seats.

Supposedly washed-up hall of Fame running backs do too. Wins fill seats and personally I could care less if there's 700 people or 70,000 people as long as this team is comepetitive and winning games. If Rod makes this coaching decision on who's going to sell the most tickets and not who the best candidate is, I might actually not re-order my season tix.

 

[Southpaw]

Re: Re: Re: Jurecki on FOX Sports Arizona-Cards like Lovie Smith and Nick Saban.

Originally posted by MaoTosiFanClub
Supposedly washed-up hall of Fame running backs do too. Wins fill seats and personally I could care less if there's 700 people or 70,000 people as long as this team is comepetitive and winning games. If Rod makes this coaching decision on who's going to sell the most tickets and not who the best candidate is, I might actually not re-order my season tix.

Could care less ( sic ) How much. Or did you mean couldn't care less?

 

[Assface]

Re: Re: Jurecki on FOX Sports Arizona-Cards like Lovie Smith and Nick Saban.

Originally posted by wallyburger
Too bad for me that these are the targets of rumors. Both are defensive specialists not unlike the last 4 Card coaches, none of whom had any success while driving fans away. TDs fill seats.

It doesn't matter if they are an offensive or defensive specialist if they suck at their job. We don't need a good offensive coach, we need a good coach-period. We haven't been losing because we have a defensive coach, the problem is we have a defensive minded HC who doesn't know jack about coaching in general.

 

[X-29Fan]

It seems that good offensive minds are hard to find. If a team hires an "offensive genius" as their head coach, they don't have to worry about them getting hired away from them (at least in theory). Let's face it, if an offensive coordinator distinguishes himself, he is immediately a hot commodity in the NFL, and will land a head coaching job.

It seems that good defensive coordinators can be landed as assistants by giving them a good title like "Assistant Head Coach in charge of the Defense". Oh, and also good salary to match the fancy title. Like someone said in another thread, there is not a salary cap for coaches.

Just my opinion, but it seems that good defensive coaches are more plentiful.

 

[Northern Card]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Jurecki on FOX Sports Arizona-Cards like Lovie Smith and Nick Saban.

Originally posted by wallyburger
Could care less ( sic ) How much. Or did you mean couldn't care less?

FYI

The idiom "couldn't care less", meaning "doesn't care at all" (the meaning in full is "cares so little that he couldn't possibly care less"), originated in Britain around 1940. "Could care less", which is used with the same meaning, developed in the U.S. around 1960. We get disputes about whether the latter was originally a mis-hearing of the former; whether it was originally ironic; or whether it arose from uses where the negative element was separated from "could" ("None of these writers could care less..."). Henry Churchyard believes that this sentence by Jane Austen may be pertinent: "You know nothing and you care less, as people say." (Mansfield Park (1815), Chapter 29) Meaning-saving elaborations have also been suggested: "As if I could care less!"; "I could care less, but I'd have to try"; "If I cared even one iota -- which I don't --, then I could care less."