Just a thought: T. Suggs franchised by Ravens: traded to Cards for Quan.

[Cheesebeef]

adding Suggs to this lineup next to Dansby would make our Defense ferocious.

 

[Preacher]

Where exactly are the Jets getting that money from??

And who is Suggs replacing?? Gholston?? They are going to quit on their first rounder after one year??

Plus you say they are going to get Lewis and Scott?? David Harris is also being benched in your scenario??

Sounds ridiculous.. maybe the Jets have money to get one of those guys if Favre retires but no way are they getting three of them

As far as who does or doesn't play, pretty much teh D coaching staff if coming over from the Ravens. So I would give the edge to the Raven LB's who want to follow him.

Money is always an issue. But through the restructiong of a couple contracts, and the loss of Favre, they will have the money, especially spread out over 3-7 years.

 

[joeshmo]

I believe Suggs has an agreement with the Ravens that they cannot franchise him again. He will be a free agent.

There is no such agreement either contractual or verbal. It was only rumored in a couple of places but they were wrong.

 

[joeshmo]

Lewis and Scott maybe heading to the Jets. There is talk about Suggs going there as well with their DC as he rebuilds that team.

If BOldin goes there, he may be going to depleted defensive team without any core LB's. That does NOT bold well for a team who's focal point is defense.

That is only a rumor based purely on the DC being there it is not based on any factual or anything the Jets have said.

2nd - the Jets are already 10 mill over the cap for this coming offseason. They will not only not have enough money for all 3 of them, they will actually have to cut some players just to get under the cap and sign one of them.

 

[joeshmo]

You talk about the Ravens history like they are this long, storied franchise. They have only been around for 12 years, and most of that time was with Billick as HC. Who knows if Harbaugh would be in favor of putting more money into the offense? Frankly, I think the reason they haven't put alot of money into the offense is because the talent just hasn't been there. They put money after McNair and Mason, but frankly they haven't seen elite offensive talent at a skill position other than the 1 season where Jamal Lewis was elite.

You are talking about the head coaches. Their GM runs that staff, the draft and free agency, not the HC's.

McNair didnt make a lot of money in fact it was very much so average for the QB position only 32 mill over 5 years. Mason signed a 5 year 20 mill deal.

Also 12 years is a life time. Thats 3 different CBA's they have lived through already.

 

[joeshmo]

I would rather trade Boldin for a couple really good picks and still get Suggs because he wants to be here and we will have the $$ to spend if we don't have to pay Q, Edge & Okeafer.

Just becuase he said in one litte interview he wanted to come here doesnt mean he will actually sign here. HE also told the Miami media the same thing. He also told the Ravens media the same thing just a week ago. Its just a free agent being smart about his options. The media guy asked him if he wanted to play for AZ, that was the question, did anyone expect him to say anything different? Free agency is a business and you dont burn your bridges if your smart.

 

[joeshmo]

not only that, but they did try and go for a big money WR a couple years ago when they traded for TO before that deal fell through.

The Ravens traded for TO before a new deal was met with TO. TO during his grievance process about the whole agent not sending the proper paper work to be a FA stuff was going on disregarded that trade and negotiated with Philly even though the trade with the Ravens was at the league office ready for apporval. Once the Ravens saw the deal the Eagles gave to TO, knowing exactly what kind of contract he was asking for the decided not to fight the whole thing and just gave the 49ers their pick back and did a sigh of relief.

 

[joeshmo]

But through the restructiong of a couple contracts,

Because of the 2010 upcapped year there are specific rules in place for this season to greatly hinder resturcturing of contracts to push money into future years.

 

[DoTheDew]

You are talking about the head coaches. Their GM runs that staff, the draft and free agency, not the HC's.

McNair didnt make a lot of money in fact it was very much so average for the QB position only 32 mill over 5 years. Mason signed a 5 year 20 mill deal.

Also 12 years is a life time. Thats 3 different CBA's they have lived through already.

Most GM's make personnel decisions with input from the HC's. The ones who don't usually end up with fired HC. Why do you think former Vikings were coming in under Denny and former Steelers coming in under Whis? A good GM isn't going to hire players the HC doesn't want to use.

 

[cardsfanmd]

You talk about the Ravens history like they are this long, storied franchise. They have only been around for 12 years, and most of that time was with Billick as HC. Who knows if Harbaugh would be in favor of putting more money into the offense? Frankly, I think the reason they haven't put alot of money into the offense is because the talent just hasn't been there. They put money after McNair and Mason, but frankly they haven't seen elite offensive talent at a skill position other than the 1 season where Jamal Lewis was elite.

That said, the scenario is highly unlikely for contractual reasons.

FWIW, the Ravens weren't a new organization. They were the Cleveland Browns.

Also, with Billick there that should have been even more reason to bring in offensive talent. If the team wouldn't spend for an offensive coach, what makes you think that they would for Harbaugh?

 

[Preacher]

Because of the 2010 upcapped year there are specific rules in place for this season to greatly hinder resturcturing of contracts to push money into future years.

Dang.

I forgot about the uncapped year. . .

Sigh... anyone ready for a lockout?

 

[joeshmo]

Most GM's make personnel decisions with input from the HC's. The ones who don't usually end up with fired HC. Why do you think former Vikings were coming in under Denny and former Steelers coming in under Whis? A good GM isn't going to hire players the HC doesn't want to use.

You right but within the confines of the what the GM's overall plan is. Key phrase there is "with Input". Not final judgement. I can give my boss input all day and he will actuall listen to it and even use some of it, but he is only going to pick the input that best fits his agenda.

 

[joeshmo]

Sigh... anyone ready for a lockout?

Its the topic no one is talking about. The Owners could very well do a lock out and no one is mentioning it yet.

But at the same time there may not be a lock out. Not because of the rich teams but because of the poorer teams like the Bills and Jax. If there is an uncapped year it also means teams dont have to spend that much either. There is no minimum that teams have to get to like they would have to do with a cap year, meaning those poorer teams can actually spend less on players and make more money. And the richer teams will have more rules placed on them in an uncapped year thus they would actually be the ones to push for a lock-out until a new CBA comes about. So its weird scenerio where the rich teams dont want an uncapped year and the poor ones do want it.

It is going to be an odd scenerio to see play out. That process wont start until the NFLPA stops dragging its feet and finds a replacement for Upshaw.

 

[DoTheDew]

FWIW, the Ravens weren't a new organization. They were the Cleveland Browns.

Also, with Billick there that should have been even more reason to bring in offensive talent. If the team wouldn't spend for an offensive coach, what makes you think that they would for Harbaugh?

Yes I know they moved, but the Ravens ownership has only been in place since 2000. Also, I still say the reason they didn't spend is because they never happened upon someone worth spending on who fit their system. They did spend a decent amount on their Oline in the past, and probably would have spent more on Jamal Lewis had he not got sent to prison and ended up sucking afterwords. They haven't yet had a QB to spend big bucks on, but if Flacco has another good season he will surely get a big contract. I don't buy Joe's premise that the ownership doesn't want to spend money on offense, I just think their ownership is smart enough to not burn money aimlessly like the Redskins and Cowboys. The simple fact that they tried to get TO shows they have interest in elite WRs.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yes I know they moved, but the Ravens ownership has only been in place since 2000. Also, I still say the reason they didn't spend is because they never happened upon someone worth spending on who fit their system. They did spend a decent amount on their Oline in the past, and probably would have spent more on Jamal Lewis had he not got sent to prison and ended up sucking afterwords. They haven't yet had a QB to spend big bucks on, but if Flacco has another good season he will surely get a big contract. I don't buy Joe's premise that the ownership doesn't want to spend money on offense, I just think their ownership is smart enough to not burn money aimlessly like the Redskins and Cowboys. The simple fact that they tried to get TO shows they have interest in elite WRs.

Good post. They also have used first round picks and FA to aquire offensive talent, they just tended to miss more than they hit.

 

[joeshmo]

Also, I still say the reason they didn't spend is because they never happened upon someone worth spending on who fit their system.

They havent come upon someone they like in 8 years?

They did spend a decent amount on their Oline in the past,

No they havent. Their OL consists of cheap draft picks.

I don't buy Joe's premise that the ownership doesn't want to spend money on offense,

The proof is in the pudding. When they have a top 15 pick which gets a lot more money then the bottom 15 they spend it on defense. Otherwise its all offense. 65% of their draft picks are offense picks. They would rather spend money on D(drafting top 15 and extensions) and draft offense players to fill their O needs.

The simple fact that they tried to get TO shows they have interest in elite WRs.

Trying to get and actually getting are two different things. Once they saw what Philly was willing to spend and the contract Ownes was asking for they decided to not fight to keep him. They could have taken the issue to arbitration if they wanted to but saw the price tag, got their 2nd rounder back and breathed a sigh of relief.

 

[PDR]

i would take a suggs4Q anyday

 

[PDR]

besides i want to see more of breaston

 

[imaCafan]

Ravens | Free agency wouldn't tempt Suggs to leave
Mon, 26 Jan 2009 02:33:10 -0800

Jamison Hensley, of The Baltimore Sun, reports Baltimore Ravens LB Terrell Suggs said he would not be tempted to sign elsewhere if he becomes a free agent. Suggs added, "Not at the cost of leaving Baltimore. If they treat me fair, then it shouldn't be a problem. I have all the faith in the world that they'll do that."