Just wondering...

[cardsfanmd]

I fully expect Bradford to be our starting QB week 1. If Rosen somehow beats him out though, do you guys think we would trade Bradford? If so, what for and how much of his contract would have already been paid out? Also, he’s 15 mil, not 20 if he’s not starting, correct? I like Bradford and would like to keep him regardless but that 15 mil would go a long way towards extending a couple guys or bringing in a few quality players on price it deals if the team really feels they can be competitive with a rookie behind center.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think Bradford is a stabilizing force on our QB roster, and that trading him, even if Rosen earns the starter's job for week one, would be counter-productive.

 

[kerouac9]

I think Bradford is a stabilizing force on our QB roster, and that trading him, even if Rosen earns the starter's job for week one, would be counter-productive.

What does this even mean?

Trading Bradford would create $5M in dead money and save us a little over $5M on the cap, per OverTheCap.com.

Whether I would trade Bradford depends what you could get for him. If some other team again fools themselves into thinking the he can lead them to the playoffs, and they're willing to give up a 3rd or higher to be proven wrong, I'd be happy to do it. I don't know if it's worth a 4th rounder or less, though.

If Bradford loses the starting job in training camp, that's not great news about what is value and health would be at that point, though.

 

[Solar7]

I only do it for a 1st-3rd pick. I don't anticipate Rosen winning the starting job, and frankly, having to potentially count on Glennon to be Rosen's mentor and second set of eyes doesn't sound very appealing.

 

[oaken1]

no way Bradford gets traded this year....except maybe on the odd chance some playoff contender loses their starter right at the trade deadline.

IMO,..we will keep him to backup Rosen no matter what... because Keim knows that Glennon cant take the team anywhere

 

[Snakester]

If some team loses their starting QB in the preseason that feels they can make a run in the playoffs we might be able to pick up a first rounder or at least a second rounder for Bradford. I wouldn't take anything less than a second for him though. Our rookie has a nice situation coming into the league. I wouldn't want to screw it up unless we really got a good deal. Let Rosen ease in to getting playing time this year. We have all new coaches and a brand new system for the team to get used to. Most of the time it takes a team half a season to gel under a new system. Let all the kinks get worked out before throwing Rosen into the fire.

 

[cardncubfan]

What does this even mean?

Trading Bradford would create $5M in dead money and save us a little over $5M on the cap, per OverTheCap.com.

Whether I would trade Bradford depends what you could get for him. If some other team again fools themselves into thinking the he can lead them to the playoffs, and they're willing to give up a 3rd or higher to be proven wrong, I'd be happy to do it. I don't know if it's worth a 4th rounder or less, though.

If Bradford loses the starting job in training camp, that's not great news about what is value and health would be at that point, though.

It means Bradford has been helping out the other QB's especially the 2 rooks. Rosen has been leaning on him heavily for advice if you've read any of the articles. He's a second coach out there.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

If anything I am unclear of Glennons role on this team, Bradfor is going nowherez But Glennon makes alot of money for a 3rd stringer is he cut or traded or do they let Bradford walk and Glennon is back up next year so they hold on to them?

 

[Crimson Warrior]

It means Bradford has been helping out the other QB's especially the 2 rooks. Rosen has been leaning on him heavily for advice if you've read any of the articles. He's a second coach out there.

This K9. Also, let's say Rosen plays out of his mind during preseason, and wins the starters job, but then begins to struggle in week three.

If you have Bradford warmed up and ready to go, you get the kid out of there quickly before any lasting damage is done. But with just Glennon to go to? Maybe you tend to leave the rookie out there too long, or, you rush him back into the starting line up before he's ready. My point is that the chance of a "panic" decision being made that involves Rosen is greatly diminished as long as Bradford is available.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Who is going to want to take him on for $20 Mill?

 

[TJ]

If anything I am inclear of Glennons role on this team, Bradfirs is going nowherez But Glennon makes alot of money for a 3rd stringer is he cut or traded or do they let Bradford walk and Glennon is back up next year so they hold on to them?

I would bet money that Glennon is on the team longer than Bradford.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I would bet money that Glennon is on the team longer than Bradford.

Agreed. Glennon is the new Dave Brown.

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[kerouac9]

It means Bradford has been helping out the other QB's especially the 2 rooks. Rosen has been leaning on him heavily for advice if you've read any of the articles. He's a second coach out there.

LOL. He's a coach out there because he can't play on bone-on-bone knees. You can get this service for a quarter of the price from the Brian St. Pierres of the NFL. Offseason NFL articles are entirely foam.

This K9. Also, let's say Rosen plays out of his mind during preseason, and wins the starters job, but then begins to struggle in week three.

If you have Bradford warmed up and ready to go, you get the kid out of there quickly before any lasting damage is done. But with just Glennon to go to? Maybe you tend to leave the rookie out there too long, or, you rush him back into the starting line up before he's ready. My point is that the chance of a "panic" decision being made that involves Rosen is greatly diminished as long as Bradford is available.

You bench a rookie starter in Week 4 and his career is over in every meaningful way. Tell me one time where this has happened and it turned out well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

LOL. He's a coach out there because he can't play on bone-on-bone knees. You can get this service for a quarter of the price from the Brian St. Pierres of the NFL. Offseason NFL articles are entirely foam.



You bench a rookie starter in Week 4 and his career is over in every meaningful way. Tell me one time where this has happened and it turned out well.

Yeah. That ain't happening. Once the rookie's out there, he's out to take his lumps for good or bad the rest of the season. Thinking you're gonna bench the rook first round QB and not really screw with his psyche/create problems between him and the team is pollyanna-land thinking.

 

[NJCardFan]

Agreed. Glennon is the new Dave Brown.

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[Crimson Warrior]

Yeah. That ain't happening. Once the rookie's out there, he's out to take his lumps for good or bad the rest of the season. Thinking you're gonna bench the rook first round QB and not really screw with his psyche/create problems between him and the team is pollyanna-land thinking.

Hmmm. My thinking was that you don't have to leave the kid out there to get shredded if he starts to struggle. Maybe you and K9 are right though.

But my over-arching point is still that we can feel calmer, and more confident, about our 2018 QB strategy, as long as we have Slingin' Sammy Bradford wearing Cardinal red. So don't trade him.

 

[JeffGollin]

Ways Rosen could beat out Bradford.

- Bradford plays well/Rosen outplays him.

- Bradford injured/Rosen next man up.

- Bradford sucks/Rosen #1 by default

- Dead heat/why not give Rosen earlier starting experience?

No way I'd trade or cut a healthy Bradford. I'm a "depth guy." (i.e. we could be 3-deep in quality starters and I'd still be nervous).

 

[wa52lz]

LOL. He's a coach out there because he can't play on bone-on-bone knees. You can get this service for a quarter of the price from the Brian St. Pierres of the NFL. Offseason NFL articles are entirely foam.



You bench a rookie starter in Week 4 and his career is over in every meaningful way. Tell me one time where this has happened and it turned out well.

Terry Bradshaw, granted he was benched in week 8 not 4, but was also pulled from just about every game prior to his benching. He turned out ok.

 

[kerouac9]

Terry Bradshaw, granted he was benched in week 8 not 4, but was also pulled from just about every game prior to his benching. He turned out ok.

So your best example is from 30 years ago?

 

[wa52lz]

So your best example is from 30 years ago?

You asked for one time. That was off the top of my head. #2 John Elway, benched after week 5, pulled in 4 of 5 games prior.


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[cardncubfan]

You bench a rookie starter in Week 4 and his career is over in every meaningful way. Tell me one time where this has happened and it turned out well.

Terry Bradshaw, granted he was benched in week 8 not 4, but was also pulled from just about every game prior to his benching. He turned out ok.

So your best example is from 30 years ago?

You asked a question & it was answered & then you change the rules?

 

[wa52lz]

So your best example is from 30 years ago?

Plus it's really hard to find an example of a rookie QB that started week 1 and was later benched. None since 2009, even Guys like Sanchez, Weeden, EJ Manual, Geno Smith weren't benched.....
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...aight-years-of-a-rookie-starting-qb-in-week-1

Even Ryan Leaf lasted until week 10 in 1998. I'm no expert but I'll go out on a limb and say his poor career had nothing to do with that benching.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

So your best example is from 30 years ago?

More like 45 years ago...

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[PitchShifter]

From Urban's blog on Bradford's contract:

Interestingly, he also got a no-trade clause, perhaps not a shock after he was dealt right before the season started in 2016 from Philadelphia to Minnesota.

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2018/03/19/sam-bradford-and-his-contract/