Justin Herbert

[GatorAZ]

Agree with Burrow, Herbert, and Mahomes. I have not seen enough Carr but I would not say Allen and Larmar are a better QB than Murray overall, after the bye-week Murray, for sure, but not the first half Murray. I still have no idea why he just suddenly fell off the cliff.

Let's say Murray is the 10th best NFL QB. Is KK the 10th best NFL HC? Is VJ the 10th best DC? Is Keim the 10th nest GM? If there is a no to any of the three questions, maybe that is where we should start to make changes, and Bidwill is a loser if he does not do so.

Allen has accounted for over 10,000 yards and 87 touchdowns the last two years. He’s a superstar.

 

[Chopper0080]

Don’t compare him to Carr, Brady,Rodgers any of these guys that have been in the league WAY longer than Kyler that’s absurd. Card is what 30 and in his 7th or 8th season he damn well better be a lot more seasoned than Kyler? What’s the point? Kyler will grow like every young QB and he proved it as the first half of the season he looked MVP level before things fell apart. Lots of problems on this team Kyler is not one and the least of our concerns! We need to build the lines on both sides and build a defense that doesn’t give up so many points! We have lost 6 games 4 of them giving up 30+ points, the other 2 were competitive losses against GB and Colts which were hot at the time. Say what you want when the D plays even half decent we usually win, when they gutt punch the team time after time after a score it affects fans and players. You don’t think the O gets super frustrated when they take a lead only to have our D to immediately surrender? Seriously Kyler is the last damn thing we need to be worrying about. Get a DC who knows how to scheme and use our high draft picks and produce a quality D!

I think QB play is what separates teams or keeps teams bunched. I know that Keim can't give us one of the best rosters in football and especially can't after paying Kyler. This means our advantage is going to be if Kyler can elevate average players and play at a high level. So, I think Kyler is probably the most fixable problem the Cardinals have as he is probably the only person between Keim, Kliff and Vance that has a chance to be the best in the league at their given position.

 

[reebokalone2001]

I think QB play is what separates teams or keeps teams bunched. I know that Keim can't give us one of the best rosters in football and especially can't after paying Kyler. This means our advantage is going to be if Kyler can elevate average players and play at a high level. So, I think Kyler is probably the most fixable problem the Cardinals have as he is probably the only person between Keim, Kliff and Vance that has a chance to be the best in the league at their given position.

I vote this as the best post of today.

 

[reebokalone2001]

Just dabbled in the Chargers and Colts forums, fans from both teams are complaining they lack good players and want to fire their GMs. Guess that is universal.

 

[BritCard]

He's the one QB I'd swap Kyler for.

Yes Mahomes is great but Andy Reid gets the best out of him in that scheme and I think Kyler can get close to that level.

I think Herbert is going to be better and he's doing it with a much worse O line. His pocket presence is some of the best I've seen and he eats pressure for breakfast. He's a superbowl quality QB.

 

[nashman]

He's the one QB I'd swap Kyler for.

Yes Mahomes is great but Andy Reid gets the best out of him in that scheme and I think Kyler can get close to that level.

I think Herbert is going to be better and he's doing it with a much worse O line. His pocket presence is some of the best I've seen and he eats pressure for breakfast. He's a superbowl quality QB.

We’ll see given they didn’t even make the playoffs he could be a Stafford situation it’s too early. Clearly he has tremendous arm talent and future looks good but it’s early. All QBs need talent around them to be successful in the NFL whether it’s WR, OL, RB the situation needs to be set up to win in the NFL you missing some of those and you can easily struggle.

 

[BritCard]

We’ll see given they didn’t even make the playoffs he could be a Stafford situation it’s too early. Clearly he has tremendous arm talent and future looks good but it’s early. All QBs need talent around them to be successful in the NFL whether it’s WR, OL, RB the situation needs to be set up to win in the NFL you missing some of those and you can easily struggle.

If Herbert could play run D they would be in the playoffs

 

[juza76]

Despite how it has went lately, he still got us to the playoffs. He definitely does not “have a long way to go” especially if you’re including Carr.

Murray didn't play his best football recently, not the first time when he came from an injury
But can u tell me something about his line and the receiving core
Without Hopkins Murray must play elite football to give us a chance
We have a very slow receiving cast, Ertz Wesley Green and Kirk doesn't make plays when matter most
I expect Murray run much more in the wildcard and its the only way to make this offense effective especially if we are without our season mvp, Conner

 

[Cardsfaninlouky]

Herbert is a passer & can see over the OL & the field, Kyler is dynamic & can do more things but he cannot see over the OL & scan the field. I worry about Kyler getting hurt on every play cause he's small & I also wonder if each pass will get batted down at the LOS. Never once thought any of Herberts passes would get batted down while watching that comeback last night. He's 6'6" & Kyler is 5'10" so that part is what it is & we're always gonna have that problem for as long as he's our QB. KK could choose to put him under center & roll him out on play fakes if he wanted to but after that works one game, he stops doing it. Back to shotgun & 10 personnel.

 

[Stout]

He's the one QB I'd swap Kyler for.

Yes Mahomes is great but Andy Reid gets the best out of him in that scheme and I think Kyler can get close to that level.

I think Herbert is going to be better and he's doing it with a much worse O line. His pocket presence is some of the best I've seen and he eats pressure for breakfast. He's a superbowl quality QB.

You...wouldn't swap KM for Mahomes straight up? I think that fact alone breaks your argument.

 

[BritCard]

You...wouldn't swap KM for Mahomes straight up? I think that fact alone breaks your argument.

No. For two reasons. His contract is a huge handcuff. People argue it will be a bargain in a few years but he's going to Julio Jones that deal several times.

He's also surrounded by talent, coaching and a system that his made for him.

I'm thinking forward. Not right now.

Herbert has shown immense talent in 2 systems with 2 coaching setups and not so much in talent around him, especially O line.

 

[Stout]

No. For two reasons. His contract is a huge handcuff. People argue it will be a bargain in a few years but he's going to Julio Jones that deal several times.

He's also surrounded by talent, coaching and a system that his made for him.

I'm thinking forward. Not right now.

Herbert has shown immense talent in 2 systems with 2 coaching setups and not so much in talent around him, especially O line.

Mahomes is an immense talent that has actually proven he is a star QB. Kyler has talent and hasn't one little bit proven he is a star QB. Projecting that he will eventually put it all together is being hopeful, when we know Mahomes already has it together and isn't going to lose it. Plus Kyler is about to get his big payday. Give me Mahomes every single day and watch the world take Mahomes too. I think you're in the very small minority on this one.

 

[SoonerLou]

Murray didn't play his best football recently, not the first time when he came from an injury
But can u tell me something about his line and the receiving core
Without Hopkins Murray must play elite football to give us a chance
We have a very slow receiving cast, Ertz Wesley Green and Kirk doesn't make plays when matter most
I expect Murray run much more in the wildcard and its the only way to make this offense effective especially if we are without our season mvp, Conner

This really shows up in our 2 minute offense lately.

People are suddenly forgetting how well we moved the ball during the season in 2 minute situations. Hopkins/Moore helped turn short passes into good yards/outta bounds.

Yea Kyler s going to have to run wild. Probably at least 10 to 12 times.

 

[BritCard]

This really shows up in our 2 minute offense lately.

People are suddenly forgetting how well we moved the ball during the season in 2 minute situations. Hopkins/Moore helped turn short passes into good yards/outta bounds.

Yea Kyler s going to have to run wild. Probably at least 10 to 12 times.

People have really short memories. Like goldfish short.

You can find guys in the game thread praising aspects of the game at the start of the thread and slating it by the end. Zero balance.

 

[jmt]

Herbert’’s not going to the playoffs. Just sayin. . .

 

[nashman]

If Herbert could play run D they would be in the playoffs

And if we had a solid defense we have 3-4 more wins? So your saying Kyler is better since our D sucks but we have 11 wins and are in?

 

[BritCard]

And if we had a solid defense we have 3-4 more wins? So your saying Kyler is better since our D sucks but we have 11 wins and are in?

We have a top 10 scoring defense and are top 10 in a bunch of categories. Chargers are 29th scoring and 30th vs run.

 

[dscher]

Watching guys like Herbert, Burrows, and Carr really puts Murray into context. He still has a long way to go.

Have you, unbiasedly, put into context the bad games or growing pains those guys have gone through so far?

 

[nashman]

We have a top 10 scoring defense and are top 10 in a bunch of categories. Chargers are 29th scoring and 30th vs run.

Yeah I have watched every game we are NOT top 10 defense lol. I don’t care what some metrics say our D sucks and gives up points like crazy. Vance sucks his defense sucks! This idiot can’t seem to find a way to play our first round pick really? They looked better last week in Dallas with him playing? So what does our genius DC do, put him back in the bench seriously **** VJ! Seen enough of this crap fest for 3 years build a real D with a DC that’s not a moron!

 

[Finito]

Never thought Coming out of Oregon that Herbert would be this good.

Man no kidding

He was not good at Oregon at all. He was so up and down. He got drafted on potential. Credit to them for coaching him up

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah I have watched every game we are NOT top 10 defense lol. I don’t care what some metrics say our D sucks and gives up points like crazy. Vance sucks his defense sucks! This idiot can’t seem to find a way to play our first round pick really? They looked better last week in Dallas with him playing? So what does our genius DC do, put him back in the bench seriously **** VJ! Seen enough of this crap fest for 3 years build a real D with a DC that’s not a moron!

I’m not a fan of Vance’s but top 10 scoring defense literally means they have not been giving “up points like crazy.”

 

[Ronin]

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[wit3card]

I’m not a fan of Vance’s but top 10 scoring defense literally means they have not been giving “up points like crazy.”

If your O has the ball much longer than the opponent, that isn't possible. But I don't know, there was a post, that we give up quite some points per minute of opponents O... And that is a stat you should consider.

 

[Russ Smith]

That was amazing. The 2 TD throws were both throws if you're coaching you're going to say you can't make that throw the window is too tight, but he had to and he did. ANd maybe the best play of them all was the 2 point conversion to Ekeler he had to move to his left and then s falling hit Ekeler