K9's Final First-Round Projection and Cardinals Mock Draft

[Chopper0080]

Excellent notes. I'd forgotten about Harvey, although Quinn could be a value pick at that point and a bet hedge.

Shaun Hill seemed to stay upright; I think it's a Matt Stafford problem in Detroit and not an offensive line problem. Kid needs a glass of milk.

Fair enough on the Eagles. As I said, I wouldn't be surprised to see them move up to get an OT or maybe Akeem Ayers, who I think would be a good fit for them.

I think this OT class is interesting in that there are some guys that are well-regarded, but not elite players. Tyron Smith could move over to the left side very easily, but the Fins don't have a great OL right now. That's a value pick, and Miami could trade down. Carimi could get his start on the right side, but I'm not a believer in the OG conversion project the Chiefs are starting on the left side, and he could win that job.

Thanks for the notes. We really disagree on Jake Locker, but you're a quality poster on this board.

Jake Locker and weight gain...

As far as the Lions go, I agree that Stafford seems fragile, but Hill also got knocked out for a couple weeks last year which forced Drew Stanton into the lineup. In a division with Jared Allen, Clay Matthews and Julius Peppers, I just think that they will go offensive tackle unless Amukamara falls into their laps.

I also see the Eagles moving up or down because unless they are sold on Danny Watkins, there isn't much that fits where they are picking. Maybe they move up for a player like Jimmy Smith, Tyron Smith, or Mike Pouncey. Maybe even Corey Liuget if they are sold on him. The one thing that is apparent is that Andy Reid likes spending first rounders on offensive and defensive linemen.

As for the OT's, I like Tyron Smith and Anthony Castonzo in the first, and Gabe Carimi in the top of the 2nd, but you are correct that none seem like elite players. It is actually one reason that I wouldn't be surprised to see teams draft guards Mike Pouncey (who I think Miami or New England will take) and Danny Watkins before tackles like Carimi, Solder, or Sherrod.

JJ Watt and Cam Jordan also fascinate me as they seem like they could go anywhere in the first round. Dallas and Houston could jump on them, or they could fall to New England or the New York Jets. I think that they are far too talented to be picked in the 20's, but it could happen. I think both will be studs as well.

I also find it interesting that, unlike many years, all mock drafts seems to have the same players, just shuffled around. 3 or 4 QB's, 1 RB, 2 WR's, 5 OT's, 2 OG's, 4 DB's, 2 or 3 OLB's and the rest are DT's and DE's.

 

[kerouac9]

I also find it interesting that, unlike many years, all mock drafts seems to have the same players, just shuffled around. 3 or 4 QB's, 1 RB, 2 WR's, 5 OT's, 2 OG's, 4 DB's, 2 or 3 OLB's and the rest are DT's and DE's.

People think that this is because of the lockout putting a damper on all NFL activities, but I think it's because the draft class just isn't scintillating. The media turned on Cam Newton too quickly, so there's no drama regarding him, and Blaine Gabbert isn't interesting enough to gin up enthusiasm for. There isn't an amazing college pass rusher. Basically, you have a dozen five-technique DEs who will get 6-8 sacks per season but do a great job with the little things. No one is going to get excited about that.

It's possible that the Eagles move up to get Jimmy Smith and the Lions move down to get one of the OTs. I have a friend who's an immense Lions fan (fell in love with Joey Harrington at the Fiesta Bowl) and has named himself Jimmy Smith's agent. I kind of want to connect them for him, but their secondary is TERRIBLE. If they can get an OT and move back up into the first to get a CB, they'd probably do it.

 

[WildBB]

Exactly, but I don't see him reaching us. Guys like him do not grow on trees. If SF gets him it will suck and we will not win this division again for a long time. Bulger....egad.

Do you know that chances are pretty good, Gabbert won't even be the best QB of this class.

 

[WildBB]

Shaun Hill seemed to stay upright; I think it's a Matt Stafford problem in Detroit and not an offensive line problem. Kid needs a glass of milk.

Their games are completely different. Hill doesn't need the pocket nearly as much as Stafford.

 

[ARodg]

What about Smith's character concerns are overblown?

He's gotten at least two women pregnant. He's got an aggravated assualt. He's been charged twice with possession.

 

[kerouac9]

What about Smith's character concerns are overblown?

He's gotten at least two women pregnant. He's got an aggravated assualt. He's been charged twice with possession.

Because he's a cornerback. I want my cornerback to be a straight thug. I don't want my franchise cornerback walking around the lockerroom in a diaper on Halloween and riding a Big Wheels around training camp. I don't care if my cornerback smokes weed in college. Does Antonio Cromartie suck because he has more kids than names he can remember? How many women has Anquan Boldin gotten pregnant? Larry Fitzgerald?

"He's gotten at least two women pregnant." LOL.

 

[ARodg]

Because he's a cornerback. I want my cornerback to be a straight thug. I don't want my franchise cornerback walking around the lockerroom in a diaper on Halloween and riding a Big Wheels around training camp. I don't care if my cornerback smokes weed in college. Does Antonio Cromartie suck because he has more kids than names he can remember? How many women has Anquan Boldin gotten pregnant? Larry Fitzgerald?

"He's gotten at least two women pregnant." LOL.

And if he ends up in prison?

HE's also got two alcohol related arrests and has failed 3 drug tests. The kids a wreck.

A talented wreck but a wreck nonetheless.

 

[Mulli]

And if he ends up in prison?

HE's also got two alcohol related arrests and has failed 3 drug tests. The kids a wreck.

A talented wreck but a wreck nonetheless.

Make it rain...

 

[Rats]

Do you know that chances are pretty good, Gabbert won't even be the best QB of this class.

No, I don't see that at all. I have not seen that in the talent he has but any one can boom or bust. If you completly ignore that he is an underclassman, and that he was injured one of his years in college, and that he had no receivers to throw to last season then yes maybe he will not be the best. So many in Feb. here were saying( and some still say it) that he is not even a first round pick( and I am supposed to listen to them about anything draft talent related)? Most pundits both local and national say he will be the best of the Qb's and will help a team the quickest. Maybe you should read more WildBB.

 

[Duckjake]

I think we'd run Dockett, Campbell, Reed, and Schofield out there on passing downs. That's what we did last year and Dockett was on the nose with Porter at end.

Isn't that the lineup that was getting gashed for 15 yard runs on 3rd and 7?

Since I dropped Sunday Ticket I no longer have a library of saved games from last season to go back and check.

 

[Duckjake]

What list of DL are you speaking? We have a grand total of 3 guys under contract, five if you want to count the 2 street free agents we signed to future contracts before the season ended, guys you have never heard of before or will ever hear from again.

3 hogs under contract means DL is without a shadow of a doubt a huge need. Especially when you consider the zone blitz scheme that Horton is reported to bring with him, of which uses a very heavy DL rotation to keep them fresh since they do more then your average DL does having to drop into flats some times.

If this is true then why would the Cards let all those guys get to free agency?

There are 11 Defensive linemen on the Roster. And 8 of them are either no good or possibly leaving via FA?

Are the Cards really that inept?

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I hope the Cards get Peterson. I also wouldn't be upset if they offered their second and anoter pick to move up into the first-round and grab either Akeem Ayers or one of those tackles. That would be a good first day, IMO, and better value than trying to address needs in the later rounds.

I do not like Ayers's game one bit and see him as a huge future bust.

 

[kerouac9]

Isn't that the lineup that was getting gashed for 15 yard runs on 3rd and 7?

Since I dropped Sunday Ticket I no longer have a library of saved games from last season to go back and check.

We'd usually only use 3 down linemen, and one of THEM would be Joey Porter. Going to NFL.com and looking at highlight reels for the opponents we were playing. I think that Reed and Schofield would show a little more life in the pass rush than Joey Porter did.

 

[Gaddabout]

No, I don't see that at all. I have not seen that in the talent he has but any one can boom or bust. If you completly ignore that he is an underclassman, and that he was injured one of his years in college, and that he had no receivers to throw to last season then yes maybe he will not be the best. So many in Feb. here were saying( and some still say it) that he is not even a first round pick( and I am supposed to listen to them about anything draft talent related)? Most pundits both local and national say he will be the best of the Qb's and will help a team the quickest. Maybe you should read more WildBB.

This is a QB that's rarely been asked to go downfield in a passing offense. Captain Checkdown. Gabbert is a bigger, stronger Matt Leinart.

 

[splitsecond]

If this was our draft, hell to the yes. I forgot about Austin Pettis, he is legit.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

What about Smith's character concerns are overblown?

He's gotten at least two women pregnant. He's got an aggravated assualt. He's been charged twice with possession.

He's only a kid. They make mistakes. I love when teams/press roll out that excuse.

 

[Totally_Red]

Because he's a cornerback. I want my cornerback to be a straight thug. I don't want my franchise cornerback walking around the lockerroom in a diaper on Halloween and riding a Big Wheels around training camp. I don't care if my cornerback smokes weed in college. Does Antonio Cromartie suck because he has more kids than names he can remember? How many women has Anquan Boldin gotten pregnant? Larry Fitzgerald?

"He's gotten at least two women pregnant." LOL.

Two words - Pacman Jones!

Rather have an Aeneas Williams myself!