Kansas City Chiefs @ Arizona Cardinals Pregame Thread. 9/2/22-9/10/22

[dreamcastrocks]

Telling me my opinion is weird. We can disagree without making is personal like Cheese, Shane and ASUChris just did.

I'm sorry, but this isn't an insult.

 

[SECTION 11]

Nahhh when he’s played he’s shown he still has loads of value. Sometimes you have to roll the dice.

Agreed. We were destroying teams with him. We were the best team in the league for half the season due to the defense.

 

[PDXChris]

I'm sorry, but this isn't an insult.

That's your opinion and we'll have to disagree.

 

[DaHilg]

Everywhere? The blurb below pretty much says it all.

Predicting How Every NFL Defense Will Perform in 2022

Which NFL defenses will show significant improvement and which are in for a massive fall? Sheil Kapadia ran through all the numbers to project how each unit will fare.

www.theringer.com

Kliff Kingsbury should’ve sent defensive coordinator Vance Joseph a thank-you note when Kingsbury got his contract extension this offseason. The Cardinals defense has kept the team afloat at times throughout the last two years and has outperformed the offense, finishing seventh and 10th in defensive DVOA.

But 2022 could be ugly. The Cardinals lost two key cogs—edge defender Chandler Jones and linebacker Jordan Hicks—in free agency. GM Steve Keim used first-round picks on linebackers Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins in back-to-back years, but neither has looked like an impact player so far. Up front, the Cardinals are counting on J.J. Watt to stay healthy (he missed 10 games last year and is 33) and play well. Arizona’s cornerback situation can best be described as shaky. They finished second behind only the Cowboys in turnover EPA. If they don’t produce those takeaways at such a high rate, they might not be nearly as good.


This defense lacks talent. If Joseph can coach this group to a top-10 ranking again, he should be in the conversation as one of the NFL’s brightest defensive minds. A more likely scenario is that the Cardinals defense takes a big step back in 2022.

Those rankings are awfully misleading. We had a ton of forced turnovers the first 7 games. We couldn’t stop anyone the second half of the season aside from the lowly Bears. If Dak didn’t suck so much on finishing/comeback drives we would have lost to Dallas.

I for one am glad we don’t have to watch a slow, mediocre Hicks and the disappearing act that is Chandler Jones here in 2022.

Forced to play the young talent.

CB’s are my #1 concern. Bad last year and bad this year.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

That's your opinion and we'll have to disagree.

Sure.

 

[OE_Thunder]

Good god, can it be Sunday already?

 

[Krangodnzr]

Everywhere? The blurb below pretty much says it all.

Predicting How Every NFL Defense Will Perform in 2022

Which NFL defenses will show significant improvement and which are in for a massive fall? Sheil Kapadia ran through all the numbers to project how each unit will fare.

www.theringer.com

Kliff Kingsbury should’ve sent defensive coordinator Vance Joseph a thank-you note when Kingsbury got his contract extension this offseason. The Cardinals defense has kept the team afloat at times throughout the last two years and has outperformed the offense, finishing seventh and 10th in defensive DVOA.

But 2022 could be ugly. The Cardinals lost two key cogs—edge defender Chandler Jones and linebacker Jordan Hicks—in free agency. GM Steve Keim used first-round picks on linebackers Isaiah Simmons and Zaven Collins in back-to-back years, but neither has looked like an impact player so far. Up front, the Cardinals are counting on J.J. Watt to stay healthy (he missed 10 games last year and is 33) and play well. Arizona’s cornerback situation can best be described as shaky. They finished second behind only the Cowboys in turnover EPA. If they don’t produce those takeaways at such a high rate, they might not be nearly as good.


This defense lacks talent. If Joseph can coach this group to a top-10 ranking again, he should be in the conversation as one of the NFL’s brightest defensive minds. A more likely scenario is that the Cardinals defense takes a big step back in 2022.

Weird take that they think the defense is going to be so bad but then they acknowledge the defense has been good the past two years and actually mention Jordan Hicks as a reason.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Those rankings are awfully misleading. We had a ton of forced turnovers the first 7 games. We couldn’t stop anyone the second half of the season aside from the lowly Bears. If Dak didn’t suck so much on finishing/comeback drives we would have lost to Dallas.

I for one am glad we don’t have to watch a slow, mediocre Hicks and the disappearing act that is Chandler Jones here in 2022.

Forced to play the young talent.

CB’s are my #1 concern. Bad last year and bad this year.

Misleading in what sense? We couldn't stop anyone in the second half, and lost much more than we gained in the offseason. Does anyone want to seriously argue this is a top half D? I think our D is much more likely to be near the bottom than it is the top.

I'm not here to defend Hicks or Jones, but neither have been effectively replaced.

 

[Chopper0080]

Rondale Moore injures hammy at practice, to undergo MRI

 

[Chopper0080]

bummer. Greg Dortch SZN

 

[PDXChris]

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[PDXChris]

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[ASUCHRIS]

Rondale Moore injures hammy at practice, to undergo MRI

Oft injured player injured before the season starts. The cloud hanging over this team right now is about as big and dark of one as I can remember.

 

[PDXChris]

We need a new strength and conditioning coach!

I'll throw my hat in the ring, I seriously couldn't do any worse!

 

[PDXChris]

Oft injured player injured before the season starts. The cloud hanging over this team right now is about as big and dark of one as I can remember.

Why so many lower body injuries though? It doesn't make a lick is sense.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Why so many lower body injuries though? It doesn't make a lick is sense.

Because guys like Ertz/Watt/Rondale are always injured, and a guy like Trayvon Mullen was given away, and is injured again after playing 4 games last year.

It's hard to imagine it's a strength and conditioning program issue. More likely brittle players breaking down.

 

[QuebecCard]

Misleading in what sense? We couldn't stop anyone in the second half, and lost much more than we gained in the offseason. Does anyone want to seriously argue this is a top half D? I think our D is much more likely to be near the bottom than it is the top.

I'm not here to defend Hicks or Jones, but neither have been effectively replaced.

It can't be said one way or another whether Hicks and Jones have been effectively replaced.

 

[DaHilg]

Misleading in what sense? We couldn't stop anyone in the second half, and lost much more than we gained in the offseason. Does anyone want to seriously argue this is a top half D? I think our D is much more likely to be near the bottom than it is the top.

I'm not here to defend Hicks or Jones, but neither have been effectively replaced.

Misleading in the rankings.. this defense wasn’t even close to a top 16 let alone top defense last year

 

[Zalixar]

Good god, can it be Sunday already?

I'm already waiting for next season to start.

 

[PDXChris]

Because guys like Ertz/Watt/Rondale are always injured, and a guy like Trayvon Mullen was given away, and is injured again after playing 4 games last year.

It's hard to imagine it's a strength and conditioning program issue. More likely brittle players breaking down.

Maybe you're right. Seems odd that guys who weren't practicing pulled calfs/hamstrings being so fresh. But i could be over thinking it.

 

[QuebecCard]

We need a new strength and conditioning coach!

I'll throw my hat in the ring, I seriously couldn't do any worse!

Arizona Cardinals' Buddy Morris wins NFL Strength Coach of the Year

Arizona Cardinals strength and conditioning coach Buddy Morris was honored with the NFL Strength Coach of the Year award for the 2021 season.

arizonasports.com

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Maybe you're right. Seems odd that guys who weren't practicing pulled calfs/hamstrings being so fresh. But i could be over thinking it.

My main fear was that camp cupcake would have us unprepared for the battles ahead. Who thought that we couldn't even get to the battlefield?

 

[PDXChris]

It can't be said one way or another whether Hicks and Jones have been effectively replaced.

The Collins Hicks swap will be interesting. Hicks was slowing down, so Collins will make up there, but will his head react quick enough.

Vance has shown that we can at least generate sacks. So I'm not as worried about Jones. I feel this paet will end up being a wash.

 

[PDXChris]

My main fear was that camp cupcake would have us unprepared for the battles ahead. Who thought that we couldn't even get to the battlefield?

I liked the idea of it at first, but boy was I wrong!!

 

[QuebecCard]

Misleading in the rankings.. this defense wasn’t even close to a top 16 let alone top defense last year

Yeah, right!

2021 NFL Team Defense Stats & NFL Team Defense Leaders | FOX Sports

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