Karlos Dansby thinks the Dolphins are going to the SuperBowl

[JeffGollin]

the better question is this... why in any world would Dansby have kept the Cardinals from drafting Acho (who doesn't play ILB) or drafting Washington considering we're still looking at filling the second ILB spot? we run a 3-4 Defense, heavily dependent on sterling LBing play and we have two good players there... out of 4. If Dansby was still here and we DIDN'T draft those guys, we'd be idiots anyway.

Agree (especially given our BPA approach to the draft).

 

[40yearfan]

Let's see. Dansby's last two seasons in Arizona the Cards were 23-14 and won two NFC West titles and an NFC Championship. IN DWashington's last two seasons the Cards are 13-19, losing 15 of 18 games at one point, and finished dead last in the NFC West in 2010.

Of course as soon as Washington or Schofield get released or traded or leave as free agents you'll be on here claiming they never were any good and you're glad they're gone.

Wow. Other than that stretch of losing 15 of 18 the Cards are 10-4. They're a weird franchise.

Show me one other player I've said I was glad they were gone. This man love for a player who isn't even on the team any more is silly. The guy was a jerk and still is.

So you are saying because of Washington, the Cards are 13 - 19? I guess you really hate Washington. The Cards will make sure they re-sign Washington just like they have all their other core players.

 

[40yearfan]

the better question is this... why in any world would Dansby have kept the Cardinals from drafting Acho (who doesn't play ILB) or drafting Washington considering we're still looking at filling the second ILB spot? we run a 3-4 Defense, heavily dependent on sterling LBing play and we have two good players there... out of 4. If Dansby was still here and we DIDN'T draft those guys, we'd be idiots anyway.

and wait a sec... 40.. you'd rather have Schofield?! He's hasn't proven jack squat on this team yet. that's just ridiculous.

Because, as you should know, changing one thing in a series of events will cause other unforseen changes in the future. How do you know those players would have been available when we drafted? According to you and Dj, if we had kept Dansby, we would have won more games. That would have precipated a different draft slot and changed who was available. Also our draft board would have looked different as it uses need as one of it's criteria.

And yes I do prefer Scho. He's a Cardinal. Dansby is a Dolphin.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

And yes I do prefer Scho. He's a Cardinal. Dansby is a Dolphin.

I can see your point. Just like Jim Harbaugh always preferred Alex Smith to Peyton Manning .

 

[Duckjake]

Show me one other player I've said I was glad they were gone. This man love for a player who isn't even on the team any more is silly. The guy was a jerk and still is

No more silly than vile hatred for a player who had 6 outstanding seasons playing for Arizona and refusing out of spite to acknowledge any of his accomplishments for our team. Which is what you are doing. But for some reason your logic doesn't apply to a guy who quit on his fans and teammates reneging on a contract he signed.

 

[Gee!]

don't you mean 2 time pro bowl player Antrel Rolle ?

Or perhaps Super Bowl Champion Antrel Rolle.

I mean the guy who truely took our money with little in return.. The guy who never wanted to play here from the day he was drafted.. The guy who said said he would give the Cards a shot in FA, but really, he was gone..

I know that all sounds like Im pissed and still want him here.. In fact Im glad he's gone because of his piss poor play.. Just irks me the way he handled everything..

Guess I should thank him as we now have PP2 and Rhodes.. Far better players.. We could still be stuck with his whiff tackles..

 

[Duckjake]

I mean the guy who truely took our money with little in return.. The guy who never wanted to play here from the day he was drafted.. The guy who said said he would give the Cards a shot in FA, but really, he was gone..

Thomas Jones? Leland McElroy? Simeon Rice? David Boston? Tim McDonald? Jay Novacek? Kyle Vanden Bosch? Calvin Pace? Ken Harvey? David Boston?

Couldn't be Antron Rolle. The Cardinals cut him.

Have to take Jones off the list too. Cards traded him. But it was common knowledge he never wanted to play for Arizona and we got little in return for our money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Because, as you should know, changing one thing in a series of events will cause other unforseen changes in the future. How do you know those players would have been available when we drafted? According to you and Dj, if we had kept Dansby, we would have won more games.

where in the world did i say that? oh yeah... i didn't.

That would have precipated a different draft slot and changed who was available. Also our draft board would have looked different as it uses need as one of it's criteria.

sorry 40, but you keep ignoring the lgaring point that even with Dansby, we STILL had needs at LB and would have needed to draft those guys. We run a 3-4 defense predicated on the LBing core being as strong as possible. even had we kept with Dansby back in the day, we STILL needed 3 linebackers, so you're point about need is completely moot. And Washington would have been there regardless as we drafted him the same year Dansby left, thus that draft slot wouldn't have changed that year. Hell, we STILL need TWO linebackers two years later, so you're point is even less useful.

And yes I do prefer Scho. He's a Cardinal. Dansby is a Dolphin.

thanks for stating the obvious here. lol.

 

[Gee!]

Couldn't be Antron Rolle. The Cardinals cut him.

And that is the exact reason why I said I didnt like the way he handled the situation.. We did what we did with the purpose of he would give us a chance to sign him.. He lied to get us to make him a FA..

Believe what ya want.. But thats what happened..

Again, I glad it happened.. But there is a reason to not like the guy..

 

[Duckjake]

And that is the exact reason why I said I didn't like the way he handled the situation.. We did what we did with the purpose of he would give us a chance to sign him.. He lied to get us to make him a FA..

Believe what ya want.. But thats what happened..

Again, I glad it happened.. But there is a reason to not like the guy..

Not while he was picking up the fumble Darnell caused and running it in for a TD to turn around the Wildcard round game vs Atlanta.

My question is if we cut him how did that increases our chances of signing him?

Look, he was Green's guy. Just like every other coach in the history of the NFL who didn't take over for his best friend CKW got rid of the Green guys so he could bring in his guys. You almost have to be all-pro level to survive a coaching change.

 

[Gee!]

Not while he was picking up the fumble Darnell caused and running it in for a TD to turn around the Wildcard round game vs Atlanta.

My question is if we cut him how did that increases our chances of signing him?

Look, he was Green's guy. Just like every other coach in the history of the NFL who didn't take over for his best friend CKW got rid of the Green guys so he could bring in his guys. You almost have to be all-pro level to survive a coaching change.

All that Denny and CKW you can throw the window.. Makes no sense..

But I understand your sentimental about a few plays that gave you joy.. I remember the whiffed tackles.. The blocking of Fitz down the sideline the prevented him from tackiling Harrison for that 99 yd TD in the SuperBowl.. I remember him being pissed that the Cards drafted him.. I remember him lying to our front office..

You can go on and love him.. I wont..

 

[Duckjake]

All that Denny and CKW you can throw the window.. Makes no sense..

But I understand your sentimental about a few plays that gave you joy.. I remember the whiffed tackles.. The blocking of Fitz down the sideline the prevented him from tackiling Harrison for that 99 yd TD in the SuperBowl.. I remember him being pissed that the Cards drafted him.. I remember him lying to our front office..

You can go on and love him.. I wont..

And you claim I'm Negative. Well haters gonna hate.

 

[40yearfan]

where in the world did i say that? oh yeah... i didn't.



sorry 40, but you keep ignoring the lgaring point that even with Dansby, we STILL had needs at LB and would have needed to draft those guys. We run a 3-4 defense predicated on the LBing core being as strong as possible. even had we kept with Dansby back in the day, we STILL needed 3 linebackers, so you're point about need is completely moot. And Washington would have been there regardless as we drafted him the same year Dansby left, thus that draft slot wouldn't have changed that year. Hell, we STILL need TWO linebackers two years later, so you're point is even less useful.



thanks for stating the obvious here. lol.

You completely missed the point Cheese. I'm saying we would have been drafting in a different slot and the odds of Washington having been there were slim indeed.

From wiki:

In chaos theory, the butterfly effect is the sensitive dependence on initial conditions, where a small change at one place in a nonlinear system can result in large differences to a later state. The name of the effect, coined by Edward Lorenz, is derived from the theoretical example of a hurricane's formation being contingent on whether or not a distant butterfly had flapped its wings several weeks before.

Being a writer, I had assumed you would know this.

Read "A Sound of Thunder" by Ray Bradbury sometime.

 

[40yearfan]

No more silly than vile hatred for a player who had 6 outstanding seasons playing for Arizona and refusing out of spite to acknowledge any of his accomplishments for our team. Which is what you are doing. But for some reason your logic doesn't apply to a guy who quit on his fans and teammates reneging on a contract he signed.

I feel the same way about Simian Rice. He didn't like us. I don't like him.

 

[Darkside]

I honestly don't know how anyone can say Dansby wasn't a good player for us. In 2008/09 and 2009/10 he was the best player on our D, besides Dockett. Without him in 08 I doubt we even make the SB, I really don't think there's any doubt whatsoever. That was a bad defense, really bad, predicated on turnovers and taking chances, and the only thing holding it together was Dansby. In 2010 he was the MVP on defense if you ask me. Prior to that he was our only good player on D besides Wilson as Dockett hadn't really come into his own.

I really don't care about his attitude. Some may, but I don't. I don't happen to like Dockett's attitude even now, but he's a kickass player and doesn't get into trouble off the field and I'm fine with that.

Dansby was our defense during our superbowl run and the only defense we had in 2010, and Wilson was totally misused for at least 2 years during that stretch. By that I don't mean he (Dansby) made all the plays, but he lined our guys up to make plays when he wasn't making them. Without him our crappy defense would have been WORSE.

In Horton's system Dansby would be phenomenal, as he could play any LB position we needed and was a leader on D and could call out the offense. It's unfortunate, in my opinion, that he was so (also) misused in that we had such a risk-taking defense at that time. He would have fit perfectly in Horton's scheme today. Perfectly.

It's irritating that just because a guy left everyone gotta bag on him. When it's Superbowl winners nobody says anything. I think of Antrel Rolle, nobody saying much now, because he has a ring. Everyone had a lot to say when he was flapping his mouth last year earlier in the year, about how stupid he was, but he won a ring the same year, so I guess he wasn't so stupid. Now Dansby is talking, because that's what he has to do, on a bad team, and everyone dissing on him.

He was one of our best players on D and that's a total fact no matter how much people want to rewrite history to suit their ego.

 

[Duckjake]

I feel the same way about Simian Rice. He didn't like us. I don't like him.

I'm glad you brought up SiMEon. He and Dansby were so different it's hard to even find a comparison. Rice hated US! He's dissed Arizona almost every chance he's had since he left. He called us the armpit of the NFL.

Dansby on the other hand was good to the fans, good on the field and he's NEVER dissed the Cardinals organization since he left that I know of.

If you want to hate on bad guy like Rice and dismiss what he did while playing for us I'll join you but not a good guy like Dansby.

 

[kerouac9]

I feel the same way about Simian Rice. He didn't like us. I don't like him.

How do you feel about Aeneas Williams, then?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I feel the same way about Simian Rice. He didn't like us. I don't like him.

Is that a slip?

 

[spanky1]

Just because a guy left to go play somewhere else doesn't mean he wasn't any good when he played here. Heck you could make an all-star team of guys who left Arizona to play elsewhere. You're saying he was awful every game for 6 years in Arizona because like 100's of other players he left his current team for another as a free Agent? That you didn't enjoy anything the guy did while he played for us?

Kurt Warner retired a year early reneging on a contract he signed and left us poor Arizona fans with no QB resulting in a miserable 2010 season so I guess you think he's a louse too and were glad he was gone and don't give him any credit for anything he did while playing for Arizona?

Kurt left football because he was "beat up". He did the right thing for himself and his family. I do not hold anything against him for his desicion.

 

[Duckjake]

Kurt left football because he was "beat up". He did the right thing for himself and his family. I do not hold anything against him for his desicion.

And Dansby left for Miami because he thought it was the right thing for himself and his family and I don't hold anything against him for the decision.

 

[40yearfan]

Is that a slip?

Intentional.

 

[40yearfan]

How do you feel about Aeneas Williams, then?

That was the old Cardinals. They ran him off.

 

[40yearfan]

I'm glad you brought up SiMEon. He and Dansby were so different it's hard to even find a comparison. Rice hated US! He's dissed Arizona almost every chance he's had since he left. He called us the armpit of the NFL.

Dansby on the other hand was good to the fans, good on the field and he's NEVER dissed the Cardinals organization since he left that I know of.

If you want to hate on bad guy like Rice and dismiss what he did while playing for us I'll join you but not a good guy like Dansby.

Frankly Scarlett------

 

[40yearfan]

I honestly don't know how anyone can say Dansby wasn't a good player for us. In 2008/09 and 2009/10 he was the best player on our D, besides Dockett. Without him in 08 I doubt we even make the SB, I really don't think there's any doubt whatsoever. That was a bad defense, really bad, predicated on turnovers and taking chances, and the only thing holding it together was Dansby. In 2010 he was the MVP on defense if you ask me. Prior to that he was our only good player on D besides Wilson as Dockett hadn't really come into his own.

I really don't care about his attitude. Some may, but I don't. I don't happen to like Dockett's attitude even now, but he's a kickass player and doesn't get into trouble off the field and I'm fine with that.

Dansby was our defense during our superbowl run and the only defense we had in 2010, and Wilson was totally misused for at least 2 years during that stretch. By that I don't mean he (Dansby) made all the plays, but he lined our guys up to make plays when he wasn't making them. Without him our crappy defense would have been WORSE.

In Horton's system Dansby would be phenomenal, as he could play any LB position we needed and was a leader on D and could call out the offense. It's unfortunate, in my opinion, that he was so (also) misused in that we had such a risk-taking defense at that time. He would have fit perfectly in Horton's scheme today. Perfectly.

It's irritating that just because a guy left everyone gotta bag on him. When it's Superbowl winners nobody says anything. I think of Antrel Rolle, nobody saying much now, because he has a ring. Everyone had a lot to say when he was flapping his mouth last year earlier in the year, about how stupid he was, but he won a ring the same year, so I guess he wasn't so stupid. Now Dansby is talking, because that's what he has to do, on a bad team, and everyone dissing on him.

He was one of our best players on D and that's a total fact no matter how much people want to rewrite history to suit their ego.

The heart grows fonder with absence. More manlove for Dansby.

 

[Duckjake]

The heart grows fonder with absence. More manlove for Dansby.

Which I think is better than obsessive hatred for a football player. Come on 40 what did he do fail to sign an autograph for your great great great grandson?