Karlos Dansby wants to stay with Cards

[slanidrac16]

Whenever I'm watching post-game going's on in the locker-room he's always near the center. That tells me that he is a STRONG "leader" on this team. Part of the "glue" that holds it all together. Often, we look for the SPECTACULAR play on the field (ie; a Lawrence Taylor-type wreaking havoc on EVERY single play). That jumps out at you. I think this "D" is more predicated, and now being successfull, on EVERY ONE just doing their job. Do what you're supposed to and the "plays" will come to you. My point is, I think Karlos is playing very solid football. I expect us to "franchise" him again if we can't get the long-term deal done. IF NOT Karlos, then "who"??

Amen. He is the vocal leader on this defense. This team needs him in more ways than one.

 

[Preacher]

I gotta admit... as a Steeler fan and thus, a Linebacker fan, I have liked Dansby. That is mostly however, because I like speed at that position.

But one of the posters above has a VERY good point.

If you are emulating the Steelers, Dansby probably will not be resigned. Not for the money he will probably want. He is 28, will be 29 next year. Steelers do NOT sign LB's like that to big deals for 5 years. If you all follow that pattern, then he will be offered a 2 or 3 year deal. Someplace in teh upper middle of the pack. If he walks, he walks.

THat is very important, because you don't mortgage your future for the present. You take time and build from within in the draft and the UFA markets. You raise them up, get 4-8 years out of them, let them go and plug someone else into that spot. In order to do that, you have to have a coach, a FO, and an ownership that is ALL on the same page and focused on longevity.

If those things are true, Dansby is probably gone unless he takes a hometown discount.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I gotta admit... as a Steeler fan and thus, a Linebacker fan, I have liked Dansby. That is mostly however, because I like speed at that position.

But one of the posters above has a VERY good point.

If you are emulating the Steelers, Dansby probably will not be resigned. Not for the money he will probably want. He is 28, will be 29 next year. Steelers do NOT sign LB's like that to big deals for 5 years. If you all follow that pattern, then he will be offered a 2 or 3 year deal. Someplace in teh upper middle of the pack. If he walks, he walks.

THat is very important, because you don't mortgage your future for the present. You take time and build from within in the draft and the UFA markets. You raise them up, get 4-8 years out of them, let them go and plug someone else into that spot. In order to do that, you have to have a coach, a FO, and an ownership that is ALL on the same page and focused on longevity.

If those things are true, Dansby is probably gone unless he takes a hometown discount.

Agreed... I hope Dansby goes the hometown discount route, but I am more interested in building a long-lasting, winning culture and franchise...

 

[ThunderCard]

I gotta admit... as a Steeler fan and thus, a Linebacker fan, I have liked Dansby. That is mostly however, because I like speed at that position.

But one of the posters above has a VERY good point.

If you are emulating the Steelers, Dansby probably will not be resigned. Not for the money he will probably want. He is 28, will be 29 next year. Steelers do NOT sign LB's like that to big deals for 5 years. If you all follow that pattern, then he will be offered a 2 or 3 year deal. Someplace in teh upper middle of the pack. If he walks, he walks.

THat is very important, because you don't mortgage your future for the present. You take time and build from within in the draft and the UFA markets. You raise them up, get 4-8 years out of them, let them go and plug someone else into that spot. In order to do that, you have to have a coach, a FO, and an ownership that is ALL on the same page and focused on longevity.

If those things are true, Dansby is probably gone unless he takes a hometown discount.

I still wonder what that Steeler D would look like if they still had Porter there this year ??

 

[Preacher]

I still wonder what that Steeler D would look like if they still had Porter there this year ??

I honestly have to say, not as good.

Porter had some good speed, but he only has one big move. If he gets stuffed, he is done for that play.

Harrison took over his spot and has the ability to go inside, outside, and also bull-rush. It really was the case of dumping a porsche and finding out that you had a Ferrari sitting behind it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I honestly have to say, not as good.

Porter had some good speed, but he only has one big move. If he gets stuffed, he is done for that play.

Harrison took over his spot and has the ability to go inside, outside, and also bull-rush. It really was the case of dumping a porsche and finding out that you had a Ferrari sitting behind it.

the only problem with this is... we're not the Steelers. We haven't drafted well at the LB position to be in the position to let the leader of the D go. The Steelers have seemingly been incredible at filling the void at LBer all the way back to... oh, what was his name... Greg Llyod? Is that right? He was a monster on that first Cowher Super Bowl team, then he fell by the wayside, then Chad Brown stepped up until he was repalced and on and on. We're not in that position at this point due to poor drafts at that position over the last couple years.

but I do agree that Smith probably falls into the Steeler philosophy of not breaking the bank there.

but we just don't have the luxury of letting Dansby walk from a football or PR perspective. they just can't follow up this year with a replay of what happened in 1999 when they had a firesale after making the playoffs.

 

[hsandhu]

the only problem with this is... we're not the Steelers. We haven't drafted well at the LB position to be in the position to let the leader of the D go. The Steelers have seemingly been incredible at filling the void at LBer all the way back to... oh, what was his name... Greg Llyod? Is that right? He was a monster on that first Cowher Super Bowl team, then he fell by the wayside, then Chad Brown stepped up until he was repalced and on and on. We're not in that position at this point due to poor drafts at that position over the last couple years.

but I do agree that Smith probably falls into the Steeler philosophy of not breaking the bank there.

but we just don't have the luxury of letting Dansby walk from a football or PR perspective. they just can't follow up this year with a replay of what happened in 1999 when they had a firesale after making the playoffs.

You forgot lean mean Kevin Greene!

The classic moment when steve "mongo" mcmichael turned on him at WCW Great American Bash 1996 to reform the horsemen!

 

[Preacher]

There is the question of how do you replace him, true. But he has to be willing to work with the team as well in order to do that.

Now, IMO, if he is willing to take a 3 year contract for what, the 10th or 12th highest LB salary, then it may be worth getting... laden with incentives however.

Right now, I can think Dansby, if he knew all our schemes, would be probably be the third best LB, maybe fourth best overall, regardless of position.

On the ravens, I think that he is probably the 3rd or fourth best.

I am trying to think who else would eclipse him.

that makes him what, 6-8th.. who else is better than him in the league? That would be a good way of slotting his salary... then like I said, hit it with incentives to keep him.

I'll tell you this much, I would LOVE to have Dansby come over to the Steelers and line up as ILB with Timmons, and have Harrison and Woodely as the OLB's.

 

[CardLogic]

Right now, I can think Dansby, if he knew all our schemes, would be probably be the third best LB, maybe fourth best overall, regardless of position.

Your premise is flawed. It's not the talent that powers the Steelers D; it's the scheme.

Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that the Pittsburgh LB's are without talent. They are very good. But place Dansby in Dick Lebeau's scheme's and he would be All-World!

That is exactly why Pittsburgh has been able to plug in guy after guy without missing a beat - the scheme makes them all look great...

I am not sure if you realize that Dansby has the talent, speed and size to play either ILB as he has the past two years or OLB as he did prior years. And he plays both very well. In addition, Dansby is extremely efficient at blitzing; something he has been asked to do very little in his current role with the Cardinals.

 

[Preacher]

Your premise is flawed. It's not the talent that powers the Steelers D; it's the scheme.

Don't misunderstand, I am not saying that the Pittsburgh LB's are without talent. They are very good. But place Dansby in Dick Lebeau's scheme's and he would be All-World!

That is exactly why Pittsburgh has been able to plug in guy after guy without missing a beat - the scheme makes them all look great...

I am not sure if you realize that Dansby has the talent, speed and size to play either ILB as he has the past two years or OLB as he did prior years. And he plays both very well. In addition, Dansby is extremely efficient at blitzing; something he has been asked to do very little in his current role with the Cardinals.

No, I don't misunderstand. Our LB's are an excellent mix of great talent and scheme. What makes it so good is we have a FO that finds those talents that play within the scheme.

However, If you have watched our three LB's named above, they are all just special. It is quite scary to think they are all on our team, and will be prime age for at least another 3 years (Harrison is 28).

Dansby, as I've said, impresses. But if he lines up as a 3-4 OLB in the Steelers scheme, he is expected to basically be a DE standing up with some coverage ability and PRIMARY run stopping. As an ILB, he would be primarily a run stopper and coverage, with some rushing.

That is why I put him behind our guys, because they are all ACUTELY developed for those positions. Dansby seems like he would be a better ILB in a 4-3 where he can range the entire field.

BUt I still say. . . gives us Dansby to replace foote and Timmons moves over to replace Farrior in a year... and I think you would have one of, if not the best LB corp fielded in the NFL, at least in the SB era.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If you look at every higlight in the locker room or on the sidelines, Dansby is THE leader of the defense. They can't let him hit the open market because some team will overpay, if they have to, to get him . Hopefully the Cards learned their lesson from letting Pace hit the open market. Teams will pay alot for a guy they target.

 

[Savage58]

Timmons can't hold Dansby's jock, sorry I watch the Steelers and that's just crazy talk. He's undisciplined and physically weak at the point of attack imo, he needs another year or 2 to bulk up and improve, color me unimpressed w/ Timmons when compared to Dansby. I can only see 1 LB on your roster(Harrison) who I can understand you saying is better than Karlos but I have no clue what the other 2 you are referring too, cuz they don't exist imho hehe. Harrison plays a completely different position, is asked to rush the passer, Karlos is elite in pass coverage for a backer, its apples to oranges.

But that has to be nice to draft a LB in the 1st round and then not need him to start/play much for years cuz you're set, hopefully the Cards can develop that kind of depth in the coming seasons.

I hope we resign him but ILBs just aren't worth that kinda jack imho, I'd rather spend it on a pass rusher.

GL to you and your team, just not this week.

 

[PDR]

i hope he stays, he dominates!

 

[PDR]

and he is the leader of this defense!

 

[Brewster10]

Timmons can't hold Dansby's jock, sorry I watch the Steelers and that's just crazy talk. He's undisciplined and physically weak at the point of attack imo, he needs another year or 2 to bulk up and improve, color me unimpressed w/ Timmons when compared to Dansby. I can only see 1 LB on your roster(Harrison) who I can understand you saying is better than Karlos but I have no clue what the other 2 you are referring too, cuz they don't exist imho hehe. Harrison plays a completely different position, is asked to rush the passer, Karlos is elite in pass coverage for a backer, its apples to oranges.

But that has to be nice to draft a LB in the 1st round and then not need him to start/play much for years cuz you're set, hopefully the Cards can develop that kind of depth in the coming seasons.

I hope we resign him but ILBs just aren't worth that kinda jack imho, I'd rather spend it on a pass rusher.

GL to you and your team, just not this week.

Woodley has come on strong, and Farrior is a pretty nice player..

However, i have no doubt that Dansby could play the ILB position just as good as Farrior in the Steelers system.. Heck he could probably rush the passer like Woodley could too in the Pitt system..

Dansby is a very talented player.. a must sign for us

 

[Preacher]

Woodley has come on strong, and Farrior is a pretty nice player..

However, i have no doubt that Dansby could play the ILB position just as good as Farrior in the Steelers system.. Heck he could probably rush the passer like Woodley could too in the Pitt system..

Dansby is a very talented player.. a must sign for us

Yeah... if I had my way, Dansby would be the replacement for Farrior in a year or two, with Timmons on the other side.

I think my main point here... is that Dansby is better in the 4-3, because he can use his speed for a number of situation and range from sideline to sideline. Right now, Timmons is used in passing downs as the single LB for much the same way. His speed is amazing.

 

[Duckjake]

If Dansby has a big day Sunday he's gone. Super Bowl premium $$$

Steelers LBers? Cogs in a machine. Easily replaced. Evidenced by their lack of big time success with other teams.

Clark Haggans is a perfect example. 4 year starter for the Steelers with 25 sacks and can't even make the starting lineup for Arizona. Good player but nothing special.

 

[Brewster10]

If Dansby has a big day Sunday he's gone. Super Bowl premium $$$

Steelers LBers? Cogs in a machine. Easily replaced. Evidenced by their lack of big time success with other teams.

Clark Haggans is a perfect example. 4 year starter for the Steelers with 25 sacks and can't even make the starting lineup for Arizona. Good player but nothing special.

I thought Haggans played well til he went down with the injury

 

[ajcardfan]

Clark Haggans is a perfect example. 4 year starter for the Steelers with 25 sacks and can't even make the starting lineup for Arizona. Good player but nothing special.

IMHO, he played just as well, if not better, than LaBoy, Berry and Okeafor. He might have well have been starting. He was worth it for the tackle on the goalline at the end of the 49ers game. That play alone makes me appreciate him, but he was solid all season.

 

[Duckjake]

IMHO, he played just as well, if not better, than LaBoy, Berry and Okeafor. He might have well have been starting. He was worth it for the tackle on the goalline at the end of the 49ers game. That play alone makes me appreciate him, but he was solid all season.

At times, but the those other guys played well at times also. Good player nothing special.

Meanwhile Dansby has done whatever the Cards have asked of him. Play pass defense? 2005 3 INT's 2 returned for TDs. 2007 8 PDF and 3 INT. Rush the passer? 2006 8 sacks. Anchor the defense? 2008 119 tackles, 4 sacks, 2FF and 2 INT. 5 seasons 24.5 sacks and 9 INTs. If he played for any team but the Cards he'd be a regular feature on NFL Network.

 

[slanidrac16]

I would rather pay Dansby and find out it was too much, than to let him go and find out how much we miss him.

I don't think the Cards FO want a 1 and done franchise. They have gone on the philosophy of keeping our core guys. If he is not one of our core guys then I don't know who is.

 

[D-Dogg]

If you look at every higlight in the locker room or on the sidelines, Dansby is THE leader of the defense. They can't let him hit the open market because some team will overpay, if they have to, to get him . Hopefully the Cards learned their lesson from letting Pace hit the open market. Teams will pay alot for a guy they target.

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Dude, Dansby gets ME hyped!

 

[FArting]

Gambo is saying that the Dolphins are going to go after Dansby.

 

[conraddobler]

Every team that makes it this far experiences greater than normal turnover on their roster because the rest of the league pays a SB premium assuming our players are actually better than they probably are.

Dansby is great and I'd rather keep him but there has to be limits.

 

[earthsci]

Every team that makes it this far experiences greater than normal turnover on their roster because the rest of the league pays a SB premium assuming our players are actually better than they probably are.

Larry Brown, Desmond Howard & Dexter Jackson all agree with this statement.