Karlos Dansby: We have more talent than 08 #AZCardinals

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Yeah, only faster, stronger, and more hungry to win.

And younger.

His first 5 seasons in the NFL Dansby had 24.5 Sacks, 9 interceptions, and forced 11 fumbles, not counting what he did in post season play. I'll be ecstatic if DWash matches those numbers.

We had some really good defensive players 2004-2009 but for some reason they never could put it all together. Ray Horton has made a huge difference.
 

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Dansby said DWash reminds him of himself. That's probably the highest compliment that egomaniac can give.
I bet he does in his mind. Dansby thinks he's the best in the game. Washington actually is
 

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And younger.

His first 5 seasons in the NFL Dansby had 24.5 Sacks, 9 interceptions, and forced 11 fumbles, not counting what he did in post season play. I'll be ecstatic if DWash matches those numbers.

We had some really good defensive players 2004-2009 but for some reason they never could put it all together. Ray Horton has made a huge difference.
Agree, Dansby achieved most of those stats in a Clancy Pendergrast coached defense. Who kows what kind of number he would have had in a Horton type defensive scheme.

I don't know why some see as praise for Dansby as a slam against Washington. They are both very good players. It doesn't have to be one versus the other.

I thought they should've kept Karlos and they'd have now have an inside combo of Dansby AND Washington. That combo would be as good, or better, than any in the NFL. And, please don't anybody try and say Paris Lenon is anywhere near as good a player as KD.
 

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Was gonna post what crisper said.

Personally, I don't care what Dansby says. You wear turquoise and orange ... TURQUOISE AND ORANGE ... now, Karlos. Thanks for the memories, but I don't give a Jake Plummer what you think, if you think at all.

Aqua green and orange :)
 

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Agree, Dansby achieved most of those stats in a Clancy Pendergrast coached defense. Who kows what kind of number he would have had in a Horton type defensive scheme.

I don't know why some see as praise for Dansby as a slam against Washington. They are both very good players. It doesn't have to be one versus the other.

I thought they should've kept Karlos and they'd have now have an inside combo of Dansby AND Washington. That combo would be as good, or better, than any in the NFL. And, please don't anybody try and say Paris Lenon is anywhere near as good a player as KD.
Rolle and Q as well. But it's a business, and was a good decision from a business standpoint. If Floyd pans out, I'll be more than happy with the replacements for all 3. And they're all cheaper (at least until Floyd's rookie deal is up. But, I don't see him expecting the same kind of $$$ Q did)
Aqua green and orange :)
it's more of a "mango tango" :p
 

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Agree, Dansby achieved most of those stats in a Clancy Pendergrast coached defense. Who kows what kind of number he would have had in a Horton type defensive scheme.

I don't know why some see as praise for Dansby as a slam against Washington. They are both very good players. It doesn't have to be one versus the other.

I thought they should've kept Karlos and they'd have now have an inside combo of Dansby AND Washington. That combo would be as good, or better, than any in the NFL. And, please don't anybody try and say Paris Lenon is anywhere near as good a player as KD.

I wouldn't have thought Dansby could play the inside backer position but here he is playing MLB in Miami's 4-3 and leading the team in tackles.

As for Horton and why the earlier Cards defenses didn't do well one thing I picked up on watching some replays was that the Cards LBs today attack the ball more than they did in the past. That is something that I wanted the Cards to do for years. Other teams LBs were meeting our RBs at the los coming up into the running lane. Our LBs seemed to slide more instead of filling. Now you see DWash and Lenon making tackles at the los and behind.

It's the Buzz Lightyear Defense. To the Line of Scrimmage and Beyond.
 

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Yeah but the one thing he said was that his defense there now had more talent than THAT team. So he's trying not to upset THIS Cardinal team.

Plus he had some nice things to say about that 08 team. So it wasn't all bad. (didn't read the above article, read a similar one a few days ago, so I don't know if that above one has the good quotes he had)

But yeah, he's trying to justify it to himself about why he left here for there. Even if his comments are a bit on the line, he should just keep his mouth shut. This is 2012, not 2008. He should be concerned how good is his team compared to the 2012 teams, and come Sunday his 'better than 2008 cardinals' Miami team will be going up against the undefeated 2012 Cardinals team.
 

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Yeah but the one thing he said was that his defense there now had more talent than THAT team. So he's trying not to upset THIS Cardinal team.

Plus he had some nice things to say about that 08 team. So it wasn't all bad. (didn't read the above article, read a similar one a few days ago, so I don't know if that above one has the good quotes he had)

But yeah, he's trying to justify it to himself about why he left here for there. Even if his comments are a bit on the line, he should just keep his mouth shut. This is 2012, not 2008. He should be concerned how good is his team compared to the 2012 teams, and come Sunday his 'better than 2008 cardinals' Miami team will be going up against the undefeated 2012 Cardinals team.
justify? $$$. That's all
 

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It's is notable how quickly the Cardinals dropped the $ early on DWash; where they let LOS play out his contract and tagged him.

Lessons learned? or...

Maybe LOS didn't play at the same level, consistantly, as DWash has demonstrated.

Personally I thought LOS was very talented; however DWash has Probowl written all over him.
 
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It's is notable how quickly the Cardinals dropped the $ early on DWash; where they let LOS play out his contract and tagged him.

Lessons learned? or...

Maybe LOS didn't play at the same level, consistantly, as DWash has demonstrated.

Personally I thought LOS was very talented; however DWash has Probowl written all over him.
maybe. Maybe they tried and he refused? Rookie deals were sweet back then. We simply just don't know what was really happening behind the scenes
 

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justify? $$$. That's all

To himself. See lots of people don't just have one motivation. They can make a decision based on one or a combo of a few, but since we're all creatures with many different aspects about us, there are different things inside us pulling us one way or the other. Not about everything, but on some things. Some like to call it the duality of man or maybe even a plurality. He went with the money, but something is nagging on him. Else why make such a statement? Colledge said it the right way when he got here, but Dansby did it the wrong way. Not so horrible mind you, but it comes off as a little weird given the context.

He went for the money, but trying to elevate a 1-2 team that went 6-10 last season and down from 7-9 his first year there to being better in talent to a 2008 superbowl team is pretty hilarious. They finished pretty strong last season, as they started 0-7, and then finished 6-3 themselves last year. Maybe it's also a combo of him feeling the Dolphins didn't get the hype of adding that 6-3 record to finish the year added on to their game totals from this year at the start of the season like all the pundits were doing for us.

He did try to say defensively. But that again goes, well, the defense isn't what got the 2008 team to the Superbowl. It had it's moments, but it wasn't anything like what we've seen in the last 10 games here. I'm pretty sure most NFL defensive players would love to play on a team with a great defense. I wouldn't be surprised amongst the league that players are starting to think that way about the Cards defense right now. Still early, but trending that way.

It's his way of covering for his ego imo. Talk about how the team is better than the 08 cardinals and suddenly taking the money and running doesn't seem so bad. How if he would've stayed he could have been on this Ray Horton defense people are talking about, and that we'd be even better. A team he already went to a superbowl with and is currently 3-0, including beating a team that he still hasn't beaten as a member of the Dolphins.

The scores of the four meetings of Dansby's supposedly great Miami Defense versus Tom Brady and the Patriots. Only the most recent game was close and while I don't remember the specifics, at week 16, the Patriots might have been resting some players. Regardless that great defense gave up 27 as the lowest in four tries.

2010
14-41
7-38 @ NE

2011
24-38
24-27 @ NE

I say imo he's overcompensating and while he probably doesn't want the Cardinals to do bad, he probably wishes that we both do good, except this Sunday. His Miami team can't say that they're doing good. If they win, maybe he can claim it. If we win, it'll be another indication he made the wrong choice. Right now they probably have put a lot of stock of their season based on Tannehill, and if we shred him like the other QB's, it'll be very demoralizing for that team imo.

Well here's to hoping we're 4-0 come Sunday evening.
 

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To himself. See lots of people don't just have one motivation.

This point seems to be overlooked a lot when we talk about athletes. I've left several jobs but not once did I leave solely for one reason. Money often entered the picture and a time or two it might even have been the deciding factor but it was never the only reason.

Steve
 

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I say imo he's overcompensating and while he probably doesn't want the Cardinals to do bad, he probably wishes that we both do good, except this Sunday. His Miami team can't say that they're doing good. If they win, maybe he can claim it. If we win, it'll be another indication he made the wrong choice. Right now they probably have put a lot of stock of their season based on Tannehill, and if we shred him like the other QB's, it'll be very demoralizing for that team imo.

Well here's to hoping we're 4-0 come Sunday evening.
you don't think so? I think he is bitter as hell that his old number now belongs to a young man that is talk of the league. A kid that is all-around better than him, both on and off the field. His memory here has faded. He left for a check figuring his legacy would remain, only to see it wiped out quickly. He made his statement to say "hey, remember I was there when they were good!!!" Now we're good again, and Miami still isn't. His buyer's remorse is what motivated that statement IMO
 

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It's is notable how quickly the Cardinals dropped the $ early on DWash; where they let LOS play out his contract and tagged him.

Lessons learned? or...

Maybe LOS didn't play at the same level, consistantly, as DWash has demonstrated.

Personally I thought LOS was very talented; however DWash has Probowl written all over him.

Lesson learned. The Cards didn't extend Dansby early and ended up having to franchise him twice. But more than anything else I think the Cards are smart enough to realize that their biggest success in Arizona came with a team full of players who had been with the team for several years and want to get to that point again.

Tough to build a winning team when you are having to use draft picks to replace your best players constantly instead of acquiring more top talent.
 

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Lesson learned. The Cards didn't extend Dansby early and ended up having to franchise him twice. But more than anything else I think the Cards are smart enough to realize that their biggest success in Arizona came with a team full of players who had been with the team for several years and want to get to that point again.

Tough to build a winning team when you are having to use draft picks to replace your best players constantly instead of acquiring more top talent.
somehow the team still pulled it off... quickly. This team was completely rebuilt with such speed and efficiency. It only took like 3 years to COMPLETELY make this team over. While we still lack the big play threat we had with Warner, we control the clock much better. And our D is absolutely shut-down, instead of fall-down
 

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Talent is for preseason rankings. Looking forward to the game.
 

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somehow the team still pulled it off... quickly. This team was completely rebuilt with such speed and efficiency. It only took like 3 years to COMPLETELY make this team over. While we still lack the big play threat we had with Warner, we control the clock much better. And our D is absolutely shut-down, instead of fall-down

Only 3 years? I want a consistent winner not one that goes to the playoffs a couple of times and then loses 15 out of 18 games. Like the Ravens, 5 of the last 6 years with winning seasons, 4 of those 11 or 12 wins. Over the last 10 years they have 7 winning seasons and 6 playoff slots. That's what I want.

(I know the Ravens haven't won a SB in that time frame but I use them because I see them as the team closest to what Arizona has right now)
 

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Only 3 years? I want a consistent winner not one that goes to the playoffs a couple of times and then loses 15 out of 18 games. Like the Ravens, 5 of the last 6 years with winning seasons, 4 of those 11 or 12 wins. Over the last 10 years they have 7 winning seasons and 6 playoff slots. That's what I want.

(I know the Ravens haven't won a SB in that time frame but I use them because I see them as the team closest to what Arizona has right now)
I know man. Me too. I mean, we were trash 3 years ago and now we're a strong team...
 

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What is most evident is that though we have talent, this seems to be the most team oriented squad the Cards have ever fielded. That aspect goes a long way in such a long season :)
 

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He seems to have more talent while playing for a contract- whats up with that KD?
 

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He seems to have more talent while playing for a contract- whats up with that KD?
Wrong. He's been pretty good every year in the league. Miami has definitely gotten their money's worth from KD as he has continued to be a very productive player. I know he used Calvin Pace's contract as a barometer for his contract but he was a better player than Pace then and still is now. The Dolphins signing of KD was a much better signing than the Jets with Pace.
 
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