Keeping Suns together bigger than draft

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I agree with this 100%. Even if they sold the #24 for cash, and get rid of JJ, it is better than obtaining the #8 and losing Kurt Thomas (proposed Charlotte deal)

With the extra money saved, Sarver can invest it and pay the LT.



http://www.azcentral.com/sports/columns/articles/0628boivin0629.html
Paola Boivin
The Arizona Republic
Jun. 28, 2007 10:45 PM

Liars and Tigers and Bears, oh my!

While a circus was under way on the main floor of US Airways Center, the Suns braintrust was busy performing a tenuous high wire act a floor above.

How does one balance what's best for the team with pleasing the public, a public that has spent the past week devouring Kevin Garnett rumors? Impossible, because anything short of acquiring Garnett is perceived as a failure.

So if you feel like you're nursing a hangover today without ever enjoying the party, you're not alone.

But if you're going to be mad at the Suns, make sure you're mad for the right reasons.

Don't be made at them for not acquiring Garnett. The speculation that circulated in recent days was mostly misinformation. Teams spreading lies. The Internet spreading rumors.

"The Garnett thing is just really . . . so difficult to even fathom because of those financial implications," Suns General Manager Steve Kerr said. "We have not pursued anything in that regard. I have not been out there making a lot of phone calls."

If you want to be mad at the Suns, hold them responsible for past sins that put them in an awkward situation on Thursday.

If they didn't have $17.6 million committed to Marcus Banks over the next four years (including $3.96 million next season), would they have sold their first pick for $3 million? Doubtful. Would they have had a better opportunity to acquire a top-10 pick? Likely.

Think about this: Fifteen minutes before the draft started, a team with the eighth pick that was willing to deal with the Suns (Charlotte) "went in a different direction," Kerr said. Had the Suns had a bit more flexibility, they likely could have made the deal and ended up with someone such as Florida's Joakim Noah.

Add their No. 29 pick, Wisconsin forward Alando Tucker - a sound choice, by the way - and the draft feels a whole lot better.

It will be hard for fans to swallow Kerr's comment that the Suns would have used their two first-round picks had they felt strongly about two players.

Wasn't Southern California guard Gabe Pruitt available? Wasn't Brazil's Tiago Splitter available? Even if he's not available this year, he seems like someone you would want in the organization.

But don't be mad at them for maintaining their core. If this team is really committed to winning a title next season, then any deal involving Amaré Stoudemire would have been ridiculous.

Trading Shawn Marion would have been ludicrous, too, unless the prize was Garnett, but the financial aspects of such a maneuver were too challenging.

So Stoudemire, Marion, Steve Nash, Raja Bell, Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa are back next year. Don't be mad at the Suns for keeping that group intact.

Suns coach Mike D'Antoni understands that fans might feel a letdown today.

"But remember, the (teams) who are really excited are the people who didn't have real good years," he said.

There's still time for the Suns to flex some off-season muscle. Freeing up money isn't the worst thing to happen to a team. In 2004, the Suns traded their No. 7 pick to Chicago for cash, a future pick and the draft rights to the 31st pick overall.

The move was criticized. Fans were upset because a rumored Tracy McGrady deal never came to fruition.

But the money the Suns saved in the deal helped secure a free agent named Nash two weeks later.

That turned out OK.

Don't go overboard about feeling let down. A team that was the second-best in the NBA last year is intact.

That's not a bad thing.
 

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I hope that author doesn't actually believe what she wrote. It's ridiculously naive and myopic.
 
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They have said this for the past 4 years.

Maybe so. Would you have rather them trade KT and most of our picks for the #8?

Would that make us favorites to beat the Spurs? I don't think so.
 
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I hope that author doesn't actually believe what she wrote. It's ridiculously naive and myopic.

I believe what she wrote.

There are two chances to make this team win the title NEXT YEAR, IMO.

One would be to trade for KG. Hopefully for Marion, but even for Amare would give us a chance at a title this year. Trading Amare would mortgage our chances at championships in a few years, but would help in the short term.

The other way would be to keep our core intact and make one more valiant attempt at winning a championship.

When all is said and done, you can't blame the Suns for wanting to keep this team in tact. If we are going over losing JJ, or not getting a 2nd round pick when selling a 1st rounder, who's the one being naive? JJ or a 2nd round pick won't be the difference in a championship for the Suns.

I'm not completely sticking up for them. I wanted to see us take Splitter with the #24, since he will stay in Brazil at least another year anyway, and we wouldn't have to pay him the contract, at least not now.
 

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If they didn't have $17.6 million committed to Marcus Banks over the next four years (including $3.96 million next season), would they have sold their first pick for $3 million? Doubtful.

Really? Banks contract didn't seem to stop them from selling a pick last year.

That piece was pure spin.:rolleyes:
 

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sounds SOO much like a "Yes maam" article....How about mentioning that sometimes its NOT just all about the money...

That SOMETIMES, taking a couple 2nd round picks that don't neccessarily have to have a contract can be a good thing.....

Philli did it, and look how they turned out... They traded the #30 pick for the same amount of Cash we got, AND got Derek Byars out of it.. not bad for being a competent GM...

I can't Fathim a situation where Trading the #24 pick in a Deep Draft AND James Jones Jr. a career 39% 3 point shooter, good defender/rebounder, with a GREAT contract.. for cash????

Its not even Salary cap room.. or future picks... it is money in robert Sarvers Wallet...

How the HELL do we spin that.....
 

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I'd rather go read more paris hilton articles than another "keeping the core" article by some stooge that agreed to sell out this year

Read that and tell me you dont think she knows its BS.
 
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Really? Banks contract didn't seem to stop them from selling a pick last year.

That piece was pure spin.:rolleyes:

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Don't use the Banks contract to prove your point. He hasn't earned it, and it makes you understand evenmore why you have to sell the pick. Banks isn't worth 3.96 mil next year. (x2 for the LT) So now they are paying Banks 8M for a guy thats barely worth one.
 
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sounds SOO much like a "Yes maam" article....How about mentioning that sometimes its NOT just all about the money...

That SOMETIMES, taking a couple 2nd round picks that don't neccessarily have to have a contract can be a good thing.....

Philli did it, and look how they turned out... They traded the #30 pick for the same amount of Cash we got, AND got Derek Byars out of it.. not bad for being a competent GM...

I can't Fathim a situation where Trading the #24 pick in a Deep Draft AND James Jones Jr. a career 39% 3 point shooter, good defender/rebounder, with a GREAT contract.. for cash????

Its not even Salary cap room.. or future picks... it is money in robert Sarvers Wallet...

How the HELL do we spin that.....

That us fans EXPECT Sarver to pay the luxury tax to keep Amare/Marion/Nash on the same court. If you want the core to stay intact, there may be sacrifices. (as in selling picks, trading players for exceptions etc)

Is that concept really that hard to understand?

Good teams tweak their rosters, not completely rebuild them.
 

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the biggest problem i have with the suns trading the picks is it is unbelievablely short sighted. time and time we are finding our bench not to be up to the job that we need from them. we are selling our picks for money to over pay for vets like banks and then getting less form them then what the picks gives other teams.

the general idea is that you build your team with a core of vets and then develop the draft picks as your bench and future. the suns are very short on big guys and were the second oldest team in the nba last year. if we keep going the way we are the only running this team is going to be doing is with a walker to help them.
 

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Banks still being here is testament to the fact that this article is in the wrong.


We did not do enough for the team to be at its full potential
 
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Banks still being here is testament to the fact that this article is in the wrong.


We did not do enough for the team to be at its full potential

Yeah, because there is a lot of interest around the league for Banks. :rolleyes:

What exactly does keeping Banks prove?
 

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It's no use DCR. The Suns obviously don't want to win at all and Sarver can't wait until he ruins his investment... :rolleyes:
 

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Don't use the Banks contract to prove your point. He hasn't earned it, and it makes you understand evenmore why you have to sell the pick. Banks isn't worth 3.96 mil next year. (x2 for the LT) So now they are paying Banks 8M for a guy thats barely worth one.

First, I didn't use the Banks contract to prove a point. Boivin did. She said the only reason the pick was sold was because of Banks contract. In case you forgot, they sold a pick last year too ... before he was signed. And second, why are you defending this, when it was the Suns who signed Banks to that terrible deal?
 

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Yeah, because there is a lot of interest around the league for Banks. :rolleyes:

What exactly does keeping Banks prove?

It proves the suns are slacking!

If they can sell jones for cash, they can sell banks at .50 on the dollar and still breathe a sigh of relief.

His contract is a burden on the team, this is irrefutable.

And keeping it there is not doing enough for the team.
 
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First, I didn't use the Banks contract to prove a point. Boivin did. She said the only reason the pick was sold was because of Banks contract. In case you forgot, they sold a pick last year too ... before he was signed. And second, why are you defending this, when it was the Suns who signed Banks to that terrible deal?

They sold a pick, to sign a quality (at the time) free agent that they thought could help the team more than the draft pick.

At the time, I thought that the Banks signing was a good one, and so did a lot of us here. I was wrong, we were wrong, and the Suns themselves were wrong. That doesn't mean that their logic was flawed, or they didn't execute their plan correctly. It means that it didn't work out like they had hoped.
 
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It proves the suns are slacking!

If they can sell jones for cash, they can sell banks at .50 on the dollar and still breathe a sigh of relief.

His contract is a burden on the team, this is irrefutable.

And keeping it there is not doing enough for the team.

You can't sell a player for cash alone. You can trade him for a trade exception though. (and cash maybe, we don't know for sure yet)

That trade exception could come into play if they still want to make a deal for Garnett.
 

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You can't sell a player for cash alone. You can trade him for a trade exception though. (and cash maybe, we don't know for sure yet)

That trade exception could come into play if they still want to make a deal for Garnett.


My point still remains red herring and all.
 

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Is that concept really that hard to understand?

Good teams tweak their rosters, not completely rebuild them.


Ok you tell me the last time, the Spurs/Mavs/Pistons/Bulls (90s)/Lakers..

Tell me one situation, ONE TIME, where they made a trade in which they sold the #24 pick of a very strong draft, AND a member of their rotation, one who started towards the end of the year.... for CASH CONSIDERATIONS...

you can't why??... because Good teams don't just start selling parts of their rotation for cash... Their Owners realize the price of winning a Championship, The mechandise Sales, ticket prices, endorsements, Sarver has PLENTY of money coming in from all areas, its not like the US airways center isn't sold out EVERY GAME...

Don't even begin to defend sarver in his actions... he is looking at the team not from a we need to win a championship, lets do what it takes.. he is looking at it from... I will only pay THIS MUCH, to win a championship... screw continuing to attain assets (IE, instead of selling players..ERRR, picks, why not trade for future considerations) he is concerned about making money...

And by the way the phoenix suns have grossed more money in the last year than any other team in the league...

Keep defending Sarver if you want... how hard of a concept is this to understand... He wants to win, but ONLY at a certain price...
 
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My point still remains red herring and all.

I agree with Banks' contract being a burden, but sometimes you have bad contracts that no one will take.

According to the Suns, they still have confidence in Banks. I laughed when I heard it too, but D'Antoni did say it.
 
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Ok you tell me the last time, the Spurs/Mavs/Pistons/Bulls (90s)/Lakers..

Tell me one situation, ONE TIME, where they made a trade in which they sold the #24 pick of a very strong draft, AND a member of their rotation, one who started towards the end of the year.... for CASH CONSIDERATIONS...

you can't why??... because Good teams don't just start selling parts of their rotation for cash... Their Owners realize the price of winning a Championship, The mechandise Sales, ticket prices, endorsements, Sarver has PLENTY of money coming in from all areas, its not like the US airways center isn't sold out EVERY GAME...

Don't even begin to defend sarver in his actions... he is looking at the team not from a we need to win a championship, lets do what it takes.. he is looking at it from... I will only pay THIS MUCH, to win a championship... screw continuing to attain assets (IE, instead of selling players..ERRR, picks, why not trade for future considerations) he is concerned about making money...

And by the way the phoenix suns have grossed more money in the last year than any other team in the league...

Keep defending Sarver if you want... how hard of a concept is this to understand... He wants to win, but ONLY at a certain price...


I can't because there wasn't a luxury tax penalty at the time.
 

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First of all, this article is laughable. The worst part is the last point she makes about that money saved from selling the #7 was used to acquire Steve Nash. It was actually use to acquire Quentin Richardson. Perhaps they wouldn't have been as good in 2004-05 with Iguodala instead of Q. I guess that's arguable, but in the long run they obviously would have been in much better shape. That was a horrible trade.

I still don't see why everybody is acting like this James Jones rumor is true. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere today other than this message board.

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I still don't see why everybody is acting like this James Jones rumor is true. I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere today other than this message board.

Joe

I want to hear something at least from our media or the Suns brass about it for sure.
 

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