Keeping Suns together bigger than draft

[HooverDam]

I completely disagree w/ that article, its total spin. I can't believe the media isn't lighting the Suns up for this one. D'Antoni's charm I think keeps them from wanting to criticize the Suns. Here is the email I sent Boivin:

I think you've missed the mark on your latest article, "Keeping Suns together bigger than draft." No reasonable Suns fans are upset about the lack of a KG trade, that was a pipe dream anyway. What people are upset about (including myself) is the Suns continued selling of draft picks and not worrying at all about depth or the future. Now there are rumors out of Oregon that James Jones (an important rotation player) will also be headed to the Blazers and the Suns will be getting nothing in return. Great. Now the Suns bench consists of LB, KT and an unproven rookie in Alando Tucker. Even if the Suns sign someone like Grant Hill in the off-season, their are still going to be a pretty shallow team.
This modus operandi of operating with such a short bench and zero margin of error has cost the Suns three years in a row. The Suns are one broken orbital bone, one micro-fracture, one suspension away from blowing it again with such a short bench. Lets all pray nothing ever happens to Nash, since the Suns were too ignorant to draft or acquire a point guard.
I hope they can win the title next year, but its going to take absolutely nothing going wrong, and with this organizations luck (losing coin flips for Kareem and the Admiral), I doubt that'll happen

 

[RedStorm]

I completely disagree w/ that article, its total spin. I can't believe the media isn't lighting the Suns up for this one. D'Antoni's charm I think keeps them from wanting to criticize the Suns. Here is the email I sent Boivin:

If she responds I would like to see her response. Great email. Dead on.

 

[HooverDam]

If she responds I would like to see her response. Great email. Dead on.

I'll post it if she does. I'll sent one to Coro to see if he could confirm the Jr Jones deal (I don't think Poala would know anything about it, Coro is more in the know).

 

[Joe Mama]

One more point about this article. What makes her think that the Phoenix Suns will not move Kurt Thomas just because they haven't done it yet? If I had to bet I would put my money on Kurt Thomas being on some other team's roster next season. They'll be trying to unload his $8 million all summer.

If they can find some way to get PJ Brown I'll forgive them if they move Kurt Thomas. If they go into next season without Kurt Thomas or some other tough nosed, veteran/center who can keep an opposing defense honest I'll be pissed.

There is still a lot of time to break up this core before the end of summer.

Joe

 

[Covert Rain]

Here is my problem with the article.

"With the extra money saved, Sarver can invest it and pay the LT. "

Sarver said before the draft he was already willing to pay the LT. Sarver would not have said that if he didn't have the money. Sarver can invest it? I am assuming that means using it on signing FA?? If he doesn't? If the FA that are signed are not quality FA???

I tell you what. I will continue to remain PO based on this teams cheap moves in the 1st round until this off season proves to me it's not like all the others. Besides if Sarver really needed the 3 million dollars to give him the ability to sign a free agent or pay the Luxury tax, then his financial situation is in much dire straights then we all imagined.

 

[Chaplin]

Here is my problem with the article.

"With the extra money saved, Sarver can invest it and pay the LT. "

Sarver said before the draft he was already willing to pay the LT. Sarver would not have said that if he didn't have the money. Sarver can invest it? I am assuming that means using it on signing FA?? If he doesn't? If the FA that are signed are not quality FA???

I tell you what. I will continue to remain PO based on this teams cheap moves in the 1st round until this off season proves to me it's not like all the others. Besides if Sarver really needed the 3 million dollars to give him the ability to sign a free agent or pay the Luxury tax, then his financial situation is in much dire straights then we all imagined.

It's so easy to talk about $3million like it's laundry money, isn't it?

 

[Covert Rain]

It's so easy to talk about $3million like it's laundry money, isn't it?

I didn't say that. However, if 3 million is the difference between being able to pay the LT and signing free agents then the Sun's financially are in a crisis. Which I don't buy for one second. That's entirely new discussion all together.

Then again, he could just sell of Jones and Kurt and that will perk up his bottom line.

 

[azirish]

I hate to say this, but I think the reporters all know the Jones deal is going down TOO but have been told not to release it until it is completed. That deal will not be popular either, but if it goes through it is the second half of the #24 deal.

The total deal sounds like #24 + Jones for $6 million and TE.

Is that better or worse? If the Suns sign Hill, it leaves the team with eight rotation players and gets rid of guy who might not get many minutes. The reason that Banks is such a problem is not just the money but that anything paid over minimum for a guy who doesn't play is too much. At $2.9 million, moving Jones would save the team $6 million due to the LT. Combine the two transactions together and it is worth almost $12 million ($11.8 million)

I'm convinced the deals are connected. The Blazers will have an awful lot of players on the roster this coming season so buying another in Jones is not all that logical. He's still young and nice role player, but on its own makes little sense to them.

Clearly if the Suns could have done the same kind of deal for Banks, we'd be dancing in the streets (with clothes I presume). It is obviuos that was not possible because they tried. If they were convinced that Jones would also get bumped from the rotation, it is a similar situation but not as obvious.

Assuming the Suns are going to need more than vet minimum to sign Hill, this would make the whole deal make perfect sense. That doesn't mean it will work out better than some other path, but perhaps not as stupid as it initially appears.

 

[Chaplin]

I didn't say that. However, if 3 million is the difference between being able to pay the LT and signing free agency then the Sun's financially are in a crisis. Which I don't buy for one second.

3 million is not the difference. I think we're around 9 or 10 million over the LT threshold, so while 3 would help a lot, it doesn't eliminate the LT payment--it'll just be lower.

 

[devilalum]

These are the kinds of exciting moves we can look forward.

The Suns have taken notice that Allan Houston is considering a comeback. The 36-year-old Houston was the league?s second-highest paid player last year ($20.7 million) but his $100 million deal will expire Sunday. He missed the last two seasons with chronic knee pain, but is feeling good. Money is not an issue, and Houston wants to play for a winner. -- East Valley Tribune

 

[devilalum]

Maybe Magic Johnson will ocme out of retirement.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Here is my problem with the article.

"With the extra money saved, Sarver can invest it and pay the LT. "

Sarver said before the draft he was already willing to pay the LT. Sarver would not have said that if he didn't have the money. Sarver can invest it? I am assuming that means using it on signing FA?? If he doesn't? If the FA that are signed are not quality FA???

I tell you what. I will continue to remain PO based on this teams cheap moves in the 1st round until this off season proves to me it's not like all the others. Besides if Sarver really needed the 3 million dollars to give him the ability to sign a free agent or pay the Luxury tax, then his financial situation is in much dire straights then we all imagined.

He has the money to pay for it. Hell, he just got 65M from Colangelo.

However, just because Sarver has the money to do so, doesn't mean that he should spend money like Cuban does. He hasn't won any championships either.

When we are talking about luxury tax, we are talking about millions of dollars. That's a hard pill to swallow for some of the richest people in the world. We don't have Paul Allen or Cuban as owners. Most owners in the league, including the Spurs operate on a budget. (Yes, I know that the Spurs haven't sold any picks yet, they just leave their players overseas to not pay them right away.)

Jerry Colangelo never spent the kind of money that Sarver is being asked to spend. Times are different, there is a luxury tax now.

This offseason is far from over, and I may be jumping on the "lynch Sarver" bandwagon like 90% of you are.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I hate to say this, but I think the reporters all know the Jones deal is going down TOO but have been told not to release it until it is completed. That deal will not be popular either, but if it goes through it is the second half of the #24 deal.

The total deal sounds like #24 + Jones for $6 million and TE.

Is that better or worse? If the Suns sign Hill, it leaves the team with eight rotation players and gets rid of guy who might not get many minutes. The reason that Banks is such a problem is not just the money but that anything paid over minimum for a guy who doesn't play is too much. At $2.9 million, moving Jones would save the team $6 million due to the LT. Combine the two transactions together and it is worth almost $12 million ($11.8 million)

I'm convinced the deals are connected. The Blazers will have an awful lot of players on the roster this coming season so buying another in Jones is not all that logical. He's still young and nice role player, but on its own makes little sense to them.

Clearly if the Suns could have done the same kind of deal for Banks, we'd be dancing in the streets (with clothes I presume). It is obviuos that was not possible because they tried. If they were convinced that Jones would also get bumped from the rotation, it is a similar situation but not as obvious.

Assuming the Suns are going to need more than vet minimum to sign Hill, this would make the whole deal make perfect sense. That doesn't mean it will work out better than some other path, but perhaps not as stupid as it initially appears.

 

[Covert Rain]

3 million is not the difference. I think we're around 9 or 10 million over the LT threshold, so while 3 would help a lot, it doesn't eliminate the LT payment--it'll just be lower.

Chap, your missing the point. If 3 million was the difference between Sarver having the ability to pay the LT or not then the Suns are in trouble. Of course having 3 million in your pocket helps. However, this article is making it sound as if it was necessary and essential. Which is total BS.

IMO Sarver saw an opportunity to hedge expense and possibly the opportunity to draft a higher quality player in the draft that could help the Suns long term. This isn't the first time either.

This offseason is far from over, and I may be jumping on the "lynch Sarver" bandwagon like 90% of you are.

dreamcastrocks, if this didn't keep happening I totally agree. I said I would reserve my final judgment until the off season is over. However, I am going to remain PO until he proves otherwise.

 

[SweetD]

Ok you tell me the last time, the Spurs/Mavs/Pistons/Bulls (90s)/Lakers..
...

How do you think we got Barbosa? The spurs picks this year will not even see the Nba for at least a year. Right now I would rather have KT then Noah or some other rail thin rookie that would be abused by Burke.

 

[az1965]

I hope that author doesn't actually believe what she wrote. It's ridiculously naive and myopic.

That's typical Boivin article...

 

[dreamcastrocks]

dreamcastrocks, if this didn't keep happening I totally agree. I said I would reserve my final judgment until the off season is over. However, I am going to remain PO until he proves otherwise.

Fair enough. I don't feel that these moves are as catastrophic as everyone makes them out to be. I can understand the logic behind these moves.

I tend to take the optimistic approach. It is much easier to maintain healthier stress levels that way.

 

[sunsfn]

I hate to say this, but I think the reporters all know the Jones deal is going down TOO but have been told not to release it until it is completed. That deal will not be popular either, but if it goes through it is the second half of the #24 deal.

The total deal sounds like #24 + Jones for $6 million and TE.

Is that better or worse? If the Suns sign Hill, it leaves the team with eight rotation players and gets rid of guy who might not get many minutes. The reason that Banks is such a problem is not just the money but that anything paid over minimum for a guy who doesn't play is too much. At $2.9 million, moving Jones would save the team $6 million due to the LT. Combine the two transactions together and it is worth almost $12 million ($11.8 million)

I'm convinced the deals are connected. The Blazers will have an awful lot of players on the roster this coming season so buying another in Jones is not all that logical. He's still young and nice role player, but on its own makes little sense to them.

Clearly if the Suns could have done the same kind of deal for Banks, we'd be dancing in the streets (with clothes I presume). It is obviuos that was not possible because they tried. If they were convinced that Jones would also get bumped from the rotation, it is a similar situation but not as obvious.

Assuming the Suns are going to need more than vet minimum to sign Hill, this would make the whole deal make perfect sense. That doesn't mean it will work out better than some other path, but perhaps not as stupid as it initially appears.

I understand that Portland received a TE from the trade with NY, and they are using that for James Jones.
That means that the suns are receiving the TE for Jones, no money involved.

The suns sold the 24th pick for 3 mil cash.

So, #24 and Jones for 3 mil.

Without any reporting on this from the suns I am not sure this is right, so we will have to wait and see.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I understand that Portland received a TE from the trade with NY, and they are using that for James Jones.
That means that the suns are receiving the TE for Jones, no money involved.

The suns sold the 24th pick for 3 mil cash.

So, #24 and Jones for 3 mil.

Without any reporting on this from the suns I am not sure this is right, so we will have to wait and see.

Exactly.

So far the report is for a TE. The Suns could have received another 3 mil in the deal, or a 2nd rounder, or a later pick.

We should know today most likely.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I got a text update from AZcentral saying

The Suns agreed to a trade that will send James Jones to Portland as part of th deal to buy Phoenix's 24th pick

From that message it looks like its all one transaction. We have already received the 3 million or its in writing right? If we receive that cash in the trade we arent allowed to get a TE right?

 

[azirish]

I got a text update from AZcentral saying


From that message it looks like its all one transaction. We have already received the 3 million or its in writing right? If we receive that cash in the trade we arent allowed to get a TE right?

It is separate legally, so hopefully it means another $3 million.

 

[Errntknght]

dreamcastrocks,

He has the money to pay for it. Hell, he just got 65M from Colangelo.

What are you talking about? Sarver just paid Colangelo the final 65 million of the purchase price of the Suns.


George,

It is separate legally, so hopefully it means another $3 million.

As far as the TE goes, it doesn't much matter whether the Suns get one or not since they can only use it in acquiring another player in a trade - not free agency. I suppose its not outside the realm of possibility that some team has a player they'd send us for a 2.9 mil TE but what are the odds it would be someone that was more valuable than James Jones? For all his shortcomings he wasn't a bad fit for the team - he did have to be guarded at the three point line and he is a decent team defender.

 

[PhxGametime]

Being that it's been 4 years with selling of Picks, maybe the Suns should consider using that TE and a 1st Rounder for a proven younger player on rookie contract, that could help now...


Example: I believe i read Diogu was to be rumored for the #26, not exactly saying he's my guy but the Suns every year say there's the top half of Draft they're into and only one/two Prospects interested at respective slots, etc.


I wouldn't be as upset knowing the Team got a more proven player on the cheap rookie contract, if they don't plan on using low 1st Rounders anyways... I'd should probably check players that would fit but thats not REALLY my job, Suns don't pay ME lol


I sort of feel that Sarver is pretty excited about signing those veterans every year that League pays half their contract but can any of you think of any others like Diogu that could be worth a Late 1st Rounder? More proven than a rookie, anyways...