Keim didn't have the balls to pick R Wilson in the draft

[oaken1]

??? Carr is 6'3

wow...he is,....could have sworn some of the pre draft junk on him was that he was small

 

[Big D]

It's a refreshing take to hear from an NFL GM, especially one that has enjoyed the kind of success that SK has.

The moral of the story is you should never consider yourself a finished product.

 

[82CardsGrad]

my old home boy Jeff Garcia....

Wasn't Garcia over 6 feet? He was a skinny dude, but I think he is taller by a few inches than Wilson.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Let's see how Wilson fares over the next couple of years. I have never been a big fan. I think he came into a perfect situation with Seattle. They had a great running game and a great defense. Lynch is gone and the salary cap has come back down to earth with some of the big extensions. His elusiveness and athletic ability are off the charts but let's see what happens when the focus is more on him than the running game.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Keim was only suggesting that he let the physical stature of Wilson get in the way of all of the other great traits that Wilson had. Keim said that he learned from that mistake, about taking a smaller player who had everything else, and is why they had no issue with drafting the undersized Honey Badger a year later.

Beat me to it. He did say this. The lesson learned about Wilson directly led to the Matthieu pick. Everybody makes mistakes, wise men let those mistakes be lessons learned for the future.

 

[cardncubfan]

wow...he is,....could have sworn some of the pre draft junk on him was that he was small

I think it was a weak arm but not positive.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

That's not the point. Its not about passing on Wilson, its that they saw an undersized QB who had an elite skillset but passed because he was too short.

Which begs the question: too short for what? Because he's apparently not too short to win Super Bowls.

Super Bowl

BIM

 

[Cardiac]

When I first saw Wilson play in college I thought he would be a stud in the NFL. Then I learned how short he was and thought, that's a shame because he is simply too short to be an NFL QB.

We have two QB's that were under 6' tall that have done anything in the NFL and Doug Flutie never had a true chance to see what he could accomplish. So Wilson is truly a unique talent that just almost never comes along.

I don't think Wilson is as great as many think he is but he deserves credit because he is better than just a good QB.

 

[Jasper]

We took another potential QB that year 6'3" 230lbs, really big guy with a really strong arm.

 

[ajcardfan]

Really? Every franchise passed on him 2 or three times. Even Seattle did. Not like keim was bucking conventional wisdom.

 

[GatorAZ]

I am sure there are 30 other GMs in the league who will say the same thing about Wilson. So what. He wouldn't fit Arians offense anyways.

He'd be a perfect fit. Worked out though.

 

[Bodha]

Super Bowl

BIM

definition of salty right there. Spssh they only won ONE, big whoop


plenty of fans in the valley sacrifice their 1st born for ONE. Heck, im still living off the Dbacks 2001 championship

 

[Paso Fino]

I'm not sure how he would have fared as a Cardinal rookie. I have the sense that the Cardinals are not very patient with young quarterbacks.

 

[Darkside]

It's easy to second guess after the fact, obviously, but I'm quite certain had we drafted Wilson this board would have gone insane at his lack of height. Our offense doesn't suit him either: there's few QB running lanes in this offense, the tackles are told to push the DE's wide so a drop back QB can step up in the pocket, and the QB's in our system are expected to make multiple reads downfield with defenders draped around them. BA may be QB friendly, but his system is the least friendly rookie QB system ever. QB fundamentals (footwork, hip rotation, holding the ball high while in a throwing stance, keeping your eyes downfield while guys are flying at you) are what buy the QB in this system enough time to make those reads downfield. Those aren't the things RW was great or good at coming out of college. RW kills Palmer in raw athletic skill, but Palmer is the prototypical QB when it comes to the solid fundamentals that you look for in a big-arm QB.

I don't want anyone to get it twisted though: Palmer also kills Aaron Rodgers in fundamentals, but what I like about Rodgers most is his ability to throw from any angle--off back foot, falling sideways, you name it--with power and accuracy. You can't teach that, and it's a different type of skill than RW, because Rodgers is throwing with accuracy, consistently, which is what I want from my QB.

That being said, I'm not even slightly disappointed with how things turned out. These are rich people problems. We're at the point now where we're looking for "minimal" upgrades at each position (granted, Palmer's age is a concern obviously). We're not looking at other teams practice squads to fill out our roster like the days of yore. We're not begging FA's to come play for us, we're probably turning away more players than we're signing.

I'm not as enamoured with Keim's honesty as some people are. I appreciate the honesty, but he can do that in house, where it matters. All his public declaration told me, the only thing it told me, is that Keim uses a heavily weighted metric slanted toward measurables. It may explain why we're stuck with a few sizeable and fast players who don't know football. This isn't unusual frankly, I would say most teams do this, and he tried to correct it by saying he fixed that mistake with TM, but in the end I don't see how this declaration helps the Cardinals organization. It was an offhand comment that hurt more than helped. It didn't hurt much, granted, but it didn't help at all, it doesn't add anything useful. It's not like it made them better, saying he wished he had pulled the trigger on RW, that helps nobody on this team.

It's one of the few times I've heard Keim utter a statement that was completely self aggrandizing.

 

[cardncubfan]

It's easy to second guess after the fact, obviously, but I'm quite certain had we drafted Wilson this board would have gone insane at his lack of height. Our offense doesn't suit him either: there's few QB running lanes in this offense, the tackles are told to push the DE's wide so a drop back QB can step up in the pocket, and the QB's in our system are expected to make multiple reads downfield with defenders draped around them. BA may be QB friendly, but his system is the least friendly rookie QB system ever. QB fundamentals (footwork, hip rotation, holding the ball high while in a throwing stance, keeping your eyes downfield while guys are flying at you) are what buy the QB in this system enough time to make those reads downfield. Those aren't the things RW was great or good at coming out of college. RW kills Palmer in raw athletic skill, but Palmer is the prototypical QB when it comes to the solid fundamentals that you look for in a big-arm QB.

I don't want anyone to get it twisted though: Palmer also kills Aaron Rodgers in fundamentals, but what I like about Rodgers most is his ability to throw from any angle--off back foot, falling sideways, you name it--with power and accuracy. You can't teach that, and it's a different type of skill than RW, because Rodgers is throwing with accuracy, consistently, which is what I want from my QB.

That being said, I'm not even slightly disappointed with how things turned out. These are rich people problems. We're at the point now where we're looking for "minimal" upgrades at each position (granted, Palmer's age is a concern obviously). We're not looking at other teams practice squads to fill out our roster like the days of yore. We're not begging FA's to come play for us, we're probably turning away more players than we're signing.

I'm not as enamoured with Keim's honesty as some people are. I appreciate the honesty, but he can do that in house, where it matters. All his public declaration told me, the only thing it told me, is that Keim uses a heavily weighted metric slanted toward measurables. It may explain why we're stuck with a few sizeable and fast players who don't know football. This isn't unusual frankly, I would say most teams do this, and he tried to correct it by saying he fixed that mistake with TM, but in the end I don't see how this declaration helps the Cardinals organization. It was an offhand comment that hurt more than helped. It didn't hurt much, granted, but it didn't help at all, it doesn't add anything useful. It's not like it made them better, saying he wished he had pulled the trigger on RW, that helps nobody on this team.

It's one of the few times I've heard Keim utter a statement that was completely self aggrandizing.

Whisenhunt would have been the coach if we drafted him. He would probably still be here instead of Arians if they did.

 

[Cardiac]

Whisenhunt would have been the coach if we drafted him. He would probably still be here instead of Arians if they did.

Agreed.

 

[Darkside]

Wrong. You're assuming hypotheticals. So I assume if he comes here Whiz gets fired anyway and they don't even hire BA, because he doesn't fit the new QB. They hire some dick who sucks and RW flames out and is never heard from again. 10 years goes by and we suck worse than ever. I'm pretty cool with things the way they are.

 

[cardsfanmd]

are you saying Wilson would be as elite no matter what team he went to?

I mean, he had the best in D, Oline and run game his first few years. Makes life pretty easy.

I was referring to many Cardinal fans' moronic stances regarding Whiz's coaching abilities. He has proven himself everywhere he's been as a phenomenal QB enhancer.

 

[BigRedRage]

I was referring to many Cardinal fans' moronic stances regarding Whiz's coaching abilities. He has proven himself everywhere he's been as a phenomenal QB enhancer.

Everywhere but here? Who got enhanced outside of Warner who was elite before he arrived?

I am no whiz hater but if RW came to our team at that time, his career would likely be much different as we did not have the talent seattle had at the time.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

Everywhere but here? Who got enhanced outside of Warner who was elite before he arrived?

I am no whiz hater but if RW came to our team at that time, his career would likely be much different as we did not have the talent seattle had at the time.

I am pretty sure MD was being sarcastic with his QB enhancer comment. Are Jake Locker and Matt Leinart hanging out at the local 7Eleven these days?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I am pretty sure MD was being sarcastic with his QB enhancer comment. Are Jake Locker and Matt Leinart hanging out at the local 7Eleven these days?

Rivers and Warner both resurrected their careers under Whiz and Ben has turned out alright. The fact that Locker and Leinart stunk for several coaches shows it's on them and not Whiz.