Keim in negotiations with Cards for GM

[desertdawg]

Maybe the first half of that duo but we need an offensive mind and for Horton to be the HC he will need a Norv Turner like guy with proven experience.

I heard somewhere Turner and Grimm are trying to land in Dallas.

 

[HoodieBets]

I heard somewhere Turner and Grimm are trying to land in Dallas.

Sounds about right, hopefully keim knows the need we have for an experienced offensive playcaller.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Why all the consternation over Keim? Being part of the "old regiem" does not mean it disqualifies him from consideration.

Has anyone ever worked for a company and had a boss or manager that you thought you could be more effective than and when they left or were fired you had the opportunity to do it your way and be successful?

Should you have been discounted because you were part of his or her team?

 

[perivolaki]

Which drafts are you referring to the Keim had success?

I heard MJ say that Keim wasn't happy when they traded down in 03.

He said that he was the biggest proponent of drafting Bolden.

MJ said the story goes is he was so upset about the trade because we got skillet hands and he believed that ment we wouldn't have a chance at or select Q.

When Q was there in the 2nd he made it known that he wanted Q, even though we'd taken a receiver in the 1st, by standing on the table in the draft room and wouldn't step down till the team selected him.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The Cardinals add a whole new meaning to taking a stand when they have a problem listening to good advise

 

[JC_AZ]

I hear ya. Keim could end up being a great GM for the Cards, but after following the team for the last 30 years it's hard for me to get excited by the promoting of someone from within.

Michael Bidwill was promoted from within, and from my perspective that has been a great move in the right direction...just sayin'

 

[HoodieBets]

Michael Bidwill was promoted from within, and from my perspective that has been a great move in the right direction...just sayin'

hard to get fired from the family business. Did you ever think he wouldnt have been promoted? lol

 

[Mulli]

Michael Bidwill was promoted from within, and from my perspective that has been a great move in the right direction...just sayin'

Based on what? Firing Whiz? Not trying to be argumentative, but the Bidwill family members, to me, are more likely to be part of the problem.

 

[Totally_Red]

I heard MJ say that Keim wasn't happy when they traded down in 03.

He said that he was the biggest proponent of drafting Bolden.

MJ said the story goes is he was so upset about the trade because we got skillet hands and he believed that ment we wouldn't have a chance at or select Q.

When Q was there in the 2nd he made it known that he wanted Q, even though we'd taken a receiver in the 1st, by standing on the table in the draft room and wouldn't step down till the team selected him.

Yeah, I don't get all the apprehension about Steve Keim. Michael Bidwill has been observing the guy through multiple drafts and should have a very good handle on whether his suggestions and desires were good or bad. I do know that the well-respected Mike Mayock has a lot of good things to say about Keim. I have no concerns about his ability to handle the draft. On the other GM duties, I have some minor concerns mostly because the guy he has been observing the past few years was not a very good model to emulate IMO.

The Boldin selection was one of the best this franchise has made. Hopefully he's got a couple more up his sleeve. Lord knows we need an injection of talent on offense.

 

[Goldfield]

I heard MJ say that Keim wasn't happy when they traded down in 03.

He said that he was the biggest proponent of drafting Bolden.

MJ said the story goes is he was so upset about the trade because we got skillet hands and he believed that ment we wouldn't have a chance at or select Q.

When Q was there in the 2nd he made it known that he wanted Q, even though we'd taken a receiver in the 1st, by standing on the table in the draft room and wouldn't step down till the team selected him.

What a great story if true.

 

[Mulli]

Ok so we have things from 03 and 07 with Q and Levi?

I am still not impressed. Sorry. Seems like an iffy resume.

 

[Catfish]

Ok so we have things from 03 and 07 with Q and Levi?

I am still not impressed. Sorry. Seems like an iffy resume.

There is yet another. It was Keim who insisted that we take O-linemen who could pass protect in the latest draft. Where would we have been when Levi and Bridges went down without Massie and Potter this year. They might have been rookies, but they did at least as well as any tackles we have had since Whiz and Grimm came here. Tackles were not the problem on the O-line this year, the middle was.

 

[Mulli]

There is yet another. It was Keim who insisted that we take O-linemen who could pass protect in the latest draft. Where would we have been when Levi and Bridges went down without Massie and Potter this year. They might have been rookies, but they did at least as well as any tackles we have had since Whiz and Grimm came here. Tackles were not the problem on the O-line this year, the middle was.

????

 

[Duckjake]

Do scouts have much say in who gets drafted. I was under the impression that they just provided reports and the coaches and GM and personell director made the decisions. So how much pull did Keim have before he was promoted?

 

[Mulli]

Do scouts have much say in who gets drafted. I was under the impression that they just provided reports and the coaches and GM and personell director made the decisions. So how much pull did Keim have before he was promoted?

Ok that makes more sense.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Yeah, I don't get all the apprehension about Steve Keim. Michael Bidwill has been observing the guy through multiple drafts and should have a very good handle on whether his suggestions and desires were good or bad. I do know that the well-respected Mike Mayock has a lot of good things to say about Keim. I have no concerns about his ability to handle the draft. On the other GM duties, I have some minor concerns mostly because the guy he has been observing the past few years was not a very good model to emulate IMO.

The Boldin selection was one of the best this franchise has made. Hopefully he's got a couple more up his sleeve. Lord knows we need an injection of talent on offense.

Maybe he is like Horton and will use the Cards decisions as a barometer of what not to do.

 

[az jam]

MarkDalton ‏@CardsMarkD
Steve Keim named new @azcardinals GM; will be introduced at 3 PM press conference. Started as Cards area scout in '99.
Retweeted by Mike Jurecki

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

MarkDalton ‏@CardsMarkD
Steve Keim named new @azcardinals GM; will be introduced at 3 PM press conference. Started as Cards area scout in '99.
Retweeted by Mike Jurecki

Good to hear. I'm assuming a HC announcement might not be too far away.

 

[Mulli]

Just realized this is a replacement for Graves. So nice!

 

[DakotaCardsFan]

Just realized this is a replacement for Graves. So nice!

Okay - now I am excited about the hiring!

 

[JeffGollin]

Do scouts have much say in who gets drafted. I was under the impression that they just provided reports and the coaches and GM and personell director made the decisions. So how much pull did Keim have before he was promoted?

Differs from team to team. My perception of how the Cards have operated - at least since Wiz/not sure about the Dennis Green era - was by consensus within a highly organized structure centering around stacking (& agreeing on) a board and staying faithful to a BPA concept with some flexibility built in.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Like I said earlier, most of hated the trade down and most of wnated Peterson over Brown. If those are Keim's redeeming qualifications for being the GM, then any number of us were qualified.

This reminds me of talking about new QB's. Our QB situation is so bad that just about anybody we bring in looks good in comparison. The same with the GM. Just about anybody brought in is going to look good in comparison to Graves.

We have only heard about Keim's so called good choices he wanted. Where was he when Cody Brown was selected? Was he around we Buster Davis couldn't make it out of camp? What about promising Ryan Williams he would be drafted in round 2?

I'd much rather have brought in an oustide influence. Maybe Licht will provide that dimension.

 

[JC_AZ]

Based on what? Firing Whiz? Not trying to be argumentative, but the Bidwill family members, to me, are more likely to be part of the problem.

So you are not willing to admit that Michael taking over the business has been a significant improvement over the 'same old Cardinals'? Seriously?

 

[Cardiac]

Glad Keim was promoted but some of these draft stories are born from Urban legend, me thinks.

Every team has made poor draft picks. Thing is most posters realize we have a lot of talent on the D side of the ball. We also have some serious talent sprinkled in on the Offensive side of the ball. How Keim impacted these draft choices seems rather obvious to me. MB has been involved with the draft process for several years now and knows who wanted which players.

Yes drafting AP over Levi has become the obvious correct choice at this point. But at the time there was concerns over AP's durability and some thought Levi was just a bit less talented than Thomas.

I don't think we can easily dismiss Keim wanting AP over Levi based on the dynamics at that time.

It wasn't Keim standing on a table insisting we draft Q, it was our WR coach at that time who had coached in college and was very familiar with Q. At least that's the Urban Legend I heard.

Bottom line, MB has watched Keim for several years now so I'm very happy with the promotion.

 

[Redheart]

So you are not willing to admit that Michael taking over the business has been a significant improvement over the 'same old Cardinals'? Seriously?

Some argue that the Cardinals will never be a professional organization because the Bidwill's run it like a family business.

Does it matter if Michael is better the Bill if they still both are most concerned with staying in business and making money?

I remember stepping on a Green Bay team on the way to our 1st NFC Championship, just a few years ago. Today, Green Bay is a team many pick to win the Superbowl and the Cardinals are...butt-last in our divsion.