Keim - Regrets not Drafting Wilson - Redemption?

[jf-08]

Who would you rather have on your team, JJ Watt or Deshaun Watson? That answer is easy, and that is why you draft Murray over Bosa. easy decision.

Texans....have both.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm sure this haunts Keim on a daily basis.

I wish I could just find a QB smaller than Russell Wilson! That will show everyone!

 

[azsouthendzone]

Texans....have both.

Wait, seriously? Point is that a QB is more valuable than a DE all day every day. Its not even close.

 

[DVontel]

Who would you rather have on your team, JJ Watt or Deshaun Watson? That answer is easy, and that is why you draft Murray over Bosa. easy decision.

Swing & a miss.

Try again.

 

[WisconsinCard]

Lamar isn't Kyler Murray.

Well duh they have different names...

But that is not my point, my point was if SK thinks a running QB was the answer then why not take LJ last year? Or did he have this great epiphany recently? Look at the post I quoted and see the context.

 

[hahawhothat]

Whoa, slow down on the posting there!!! First post in 8.5 years!! Stick around.

I watch and monitor the board on a daily basis. Been around over 20 plus years. Original name was j49erwil look it up. Grew up watching cards at East high school. Huge Rosen fan. Followed Rosen since high school and thru UCLA. I believe he is a franchise quarter back. I just saying... If the cards believe in Kliff and committed to giving him the best "possible" tools to work with. Kliff legitmately loves Kyler. No knock on Rosen at all. Kliff salivates when talking about Kyler. Kliff could have recruited Rosen in high school but he didnt. Coaches recruit players who fit what they like to do. Don't for one second minimize the agent connection. It allows Kliff and Kyler to communicate privately thru agent. (LeBron and AD clutch sports). If cards don't have the offensive success which is what they hired him for.... Do they really want Kliff to start out his Cards coaching career with a quarterback that yes KK can work with and potentially do a real good job. Or do they get Kliff what he has chased and admired for years? I know what I would do.

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[BigRedRage]

I watch and monitor the board on a daily basis. Been around over 20 plus years. Original name was j49erwil look it up. Grew up watching cards at East high school. Huge Rosen fan. Followed Rosen since high school and thru UCLA. I believe he is a franchise quarter back. I just saying... If the cards believe in Kliff and committed to giving him the best "possible" tools to work with. Kliff legitmately loves Kyler. No knock on Rosen at all. Kliff salivates when talking about Kyler. Kliff could have recruited Rosen in high school but he didnt. Coaches recruit players who fit what they like to do. Don't for one second minimize the agent connection. It allows Kliff and Kyler to communicate privately thru agent. (LeBron and AD clutch sports). If cards don't have the offensive success which is what they hired him for.... Do they really want Kliff to start out his Cards coaching career with a quarterback that yes KK can work with and potentially do a real good job. Or do they get Kliff what he has chased and admired for years? I know what I would do.

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Man, I cant believe your nexus 5x still works.

 

[hahawhothat]

Man, I cant believe your nexus 5x still works.

Geek Squad lol

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[Cbus cardsfan]

Russel Wilson is overrated.

 

[DRM08]

With each passing day I become more excited about the idea of Kyler Murray being a Cardinal. Imagine if NY or Jacksonville we’re willing to part with the #6 or #7 pick for Rosen and potentially more...Two top 10 picks for the Cardinals including a qb that I believe will be a star in the nfl.

Why would teams at 6 & 7 agree to that trade for Rosen? He was a #10 pick and his performance last season was horrible. I would think his trade value is not very good right now. But I also think a good QB coach can turn things around for him, similar to McVay with Goff.

 

[overseascardfan]

Why would teams at 6 & 7 agree to that trade for Rosen? He was a #10 pick and his performance last season was horrible. I would think his trade value is not very good right now. But I also think a good QB coach can turn things around for him, similar to McVay with Goff.

Exactly, ARZ isn't going to get squat for Rosen anyway so you might as well let KK see what he can do with him. To me Murray has the most bust potential for any player projected to go in Top 10, Lincoln Riley can make anyone look good in his system as he couldn't win the starting job at Texas A&M. I was watching some game film on him and if his first read is taken away he tucks and runs. OU had a dominant OL so he stayed clean most of the time and had weapons everywhere so it was easy for him to rack up yards. If ARZ solidifies the OL properly and lands a couple of more reliable receivers I think Rosen can have a Goff like jump in development under KK and Clements. I wouldn't give up on Rosen yet. Either take Bosa #1 or trade down and take Greedy Williams.

 

[JosiahLee]

Potentially more? There’s zero chance of Rosen bringing that kind of return. Probably a second and a conditional pick in 2020.

I agree it’s not likely, but seeing a WR who at the time looked a bit overrated (Amari Cooper) go for a #1 pick...What night a team pay for a qb that they fall in love with?

 

[JosiahLee]

Why would teams at 6 & 7 agree to that trade for Rosen? He was a #10 pick and his performance last season was horrible. I would think his trade value is not very good right now. But I also think a good QB coach can turn things around for him, similar to McVay with Goff.

If Jacksonville doesn’t get Foles I’d assume they are open to any and everything.

But I agree because of the year the Cardinals has as a whole (not just Rosen) it could be a stretch. But in regards to your comparison to Goff, I actually Rosen still has a higher ceiling and I think other teams could hold that view as well.

If Im a betting man I say they pick Bosa, but I would be thrilled if they drafted Murray.

 

[JosiahLee]

Russel Wilson is overrated.

This is sarcasm, right?

 

[WildBB]

Exactly, ARZ isn't going to get squat for Rosen anyway so you might as well let KK see what he can do with him. To me Murray has the most bust potential for any player projected to go in Top 10, Lincoln Riley can make anyone look good in his system as he couldn't win the starting job at Texas A&M. I was watching some game film on him and if his first read is taken away he tucks and runs. OU had a dominant OL so he stayed clean most of the time and had weapons everywhere so it was easy for him to rack up yards. If ARZ solidifies the OL properly and lands a couple of more reliable receivers I think Rosen can have a Goff like jump in development under KK and Clements. I wouldn't give up on Rosen yet. Either take Bosa #1 or trade down and take Greedy Williams.

He's way better then anything Miami can draft where they sit. If they want to move him they'll be able to.

 

[WildBB]

This is sarcasm, right?

No, but he didn't pay attention last season.

 

[cardpa]

Keim admitted that he missed on picking Wilson - Could he be making up for his "mistake" in drafting Kyler Murray?

I would say it's pretty safe to say a lot of teams wish they would have drafted Tom Brady too. Hindsight is like arseholes everybody has one.

 

[cardpa]

I am posting this simply for the analysis by Payton Manning on Josh Rosen. See the first video under Manning's name.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...ements-for-jason-witten/ar-BBUdjyM?li=BBnba9I

 

[WildBB]

I am posting this simply for the analysis by Payton Manning on Josh Rosen. See the first video under Manning's name.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...ements-for-jason-witten/ar-BBUdjyM?li=BBnba9I

There's a good chance Rosen will have success given the right coaching, framwork around him and some winning under his belt. Whether he is an elite QB (leader) is still up in the air, but someone will give him that chance still. Here or somewhere else.

 

[DRM08]

If Jacksonville doesn’t get Foles I’d assume they are open to any and everything.

But I agree because of the year the Cardinals has as a whole (not just Rosen) it could be a stretch. But in regards to your comparison to Goff, I actually Rosen still has a higher ceiling and I think other teams could hold that view as well.

If Im a betting man I say they pick Bosa, but I would be thrilled if they drafted Murray.

I think Rosen has a better arm than Goff. Obviously that doesn't guarantee that he'll turn out better. We'll see if Josh can make a big step forward in 2019.

 

[unseenaz]

Who would you rather have on your team, JJ Watt or Deshaun Watson? That answer is easy, and that is why you draft Murray over Bosa. easy decision.

wait, what? lol.

would you rather have jake locker or JJ watt? That answer is easy, and that is why you draft Bosa over Murray

 

[BigRedRage]

all in on Rosen

 

[azsouthendzone]

Rosen will be gone in a few weeks, thank God .

 

[HGC]

Rosen will be gone in a few weeks, thank God .

Man and I thought I wasn’t a Rosen fan.

 

[CardLogic]

At this point we need to hype the little man up as much as we can. I want a Kings ransom for the number 1 pick

I'm going to give you the benefit of doubt, and assume that you meant the Cardinals organization, and not this message board.