Keim Time

[Kel Varnsen]

Swearinger saw 6 snaps.

Were any of them after the dancing penalty?

 

[overseascardfan]

All I know is that I do not get BA's discrepancy between what Williams has shown in preseason and his first game and how he has treated the offensive linemen. Cooper did not get on the field because to the staff he was not good enough and is now traded, we brought Sendlein back quick because the staff thought Shipley was not good enough, and DJ did not play tackle last season because he was not good enough and was even given the nickname 'knee deep" by the staff to stress the point. Well, I can think of a few nicknames for Williams right now and his performance was worst than anything Cooper ever did with us or DJ last season. Maybe Arians only feels he has control over the offense but he is the head coach and there is no way one can look at this game and see Williams at his current development qualified by how many times he got burned and by who. He is such a weak spot that the whole defensive secondary cannot do anything without worrying about him getting burned, it affects the whole defense and limits everything. I have no idea who you bring in and how but you do something or this team is winning no Super Bowl with him playing opposite of Peterson

SK is in charge of bringing guys in, BA is just playing the hand he is dealt with Williams. If he had a better option (Bethel is hurt, Cooper is new), I'm sure Williams would be riding the pine.

 

[az jam]

All I know is that I do not get BA's discrepancy between what Williams has shown in preseason and his first game and how he has treated the offensive linemen. Cooper did not get on the field because to the staff he was not good enough and is now traded, we brought Sendlein back quick because the staff thought Shipley was not good enough, and DJ did not play tackle last season because he was not good enough and was even given the nickname 'knee deep" by the staff to stress the point. Well, I can think of a few nicknames for Williams right now and his performance was worst than anything Cooper ever did with us or DJ last season. Maybe Arians only feels he has control over the offense but he is the head coach and there is no way one can look at this game and see Williams at his current development qualified by how many times he got burned and by who. He is such a weak spot that the whole defensive secondary cannot do anything without worrying about him getting burned, it affects the whole defense and limits everything. I have no idea who you bring in and how but you do something or this team is winning no Super Bowl with him playing opposite of Peterson

Totally agree on Williams. He should not be starting.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Were any of them after the dancing penalty?

Oh good point...BA was pissed about that today

 

[kerouac9]

All I know is that I do not get BA's discrepancy between what Williams has shown in preseason and his first game and how he has treated the offensive linemen. Cooper did not get on the field because to the staff he was not good enough and is now traded, we brought Sendlein back quick because the staff thought Shipley was not good enough, and DJ did not play tackle last season because he was not good enough and was even given the nickname 'knee deep" by the staff to stress the point. Well, I can think of a few nicknames for Williams right now and his performance was worst than anything Cooper ever did with us or DJ last season. Maybe Arians only feels he has control over the offense but he is the head coach and there is no way one can look at this game and see Williams at his current development qualified by how many times he got burned and by who. He is such a weak spot that the whole defensive secondary cannot do anything without worrying about him getting burned, it affects the whole defense and limits everything. I have no idea who you bring in and how but you do something or this team is winning no Super Bowl with him playing opposite of Peterson

FWIW, I think that BA was going with the options he had. He talked up Williams when Bethel was hurt. When Bethel came off PUP, he said that Bethel had "plenty of time" to earn back the starting job. Bethel stayed injured, and so Arians started selling the only option available: Brandon Williams.

The only people who should be surprised that Brandon Williams sucks are all those people who were saying that he was "good" or "learning" or "holding his own" or whatever nonsense was being sold on this board during the preseason games. Anyone who actually watched Brandon Williams play football in those games should've seen a guy who was not ready for prime time.

The problem is that we didn't have any other options when the opening bell rang on the season.

 

[Jetstream Green]

SK is in charge of bringing guys in, BA is just playing the hand he is dealt with Williams. If he had a better option (Bethel is hurt, Cooper is new), I'm sure Williams would be riding the pine.

Asa Jackson is a better option than Williams right now if he is still here and about every other third string corner on teams with experience. I am not saying that Williams is a wasted pick but in the present he is a gigantic liability right now. Let's make this simple. Our defense has been touted because Peterson can take out the whole coverage of his side and allow us freedom to do a variety of schemes, but now it is hilarious and compounded because Williams is the exact opposite of the coverage advantage on his side... this is ugly, down right limits any advantage we have, we just need a normal sup par corner with experience

 

[Russ Smith]

FWIW, I think that BA was going with the options he had. He talked up Williams when Bethel was hurt. When Bethel came off PUP, he said that Bethel had "plenty of time" to earn back the starting job. Bethel stayed injured, and so Arians started selling the only option available: Brandon Williams.

The only people who should be surprised that Brandon Williams sucks are all those people who were saying that he was "good" or "learning" or "holding his own" or whatever nonsense was being sold on this board during the preseason games. Anyone who actually watched Brandon Williams play football in those games should've seen a guy who was not ready for prime time.

The problem is that we didn't have any other options when the opening bell rang on the season.

Took one quarter against the raiders in the preseason to be obvious. He got beat over the top 3 times. Luckily the throws were not good or he would have given up 3 long pass plays in 1 quarter.

this goes back to what i've been saying the last few years when people kept insisting Peterson was overrated and he gets beat too much etc. People seem to have no idea how difficult it is to play CB in a defense that plays the way the Cards played the last few seasons. There is no help, if you get beat you better have your track shoes on to catch the guy.

Williams wasn't even playing in THAT defense last night we changed it to protect him and he still gave up 2 huge plays to relatively unknown players.

If we put him out there and played the same blitzing CB on an island defense we've played in recent years he would get absolutely mugged out there.

Not his fault he's not ready, but he's not ready.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Took one quarter against the raiders in the preseason to be obvious. He got beat over the top 3 times. Luckily the throws were not good or he would have given up 3 long pass plays in 1 quarter.

this goes back to what i've been saying the last few years when people kept insisting Peterson was overrated and he gets beat too much etc. People seem to have no idea how difficult it is to play CB in a defense that plays the way the Cards played the last few seasons. There is no help, if you get beat you better have your track shoes on to catch the guy.

Williams wasn't even playing in THAT defense last night we changed it to protect him and he still gave up 2 huge plays to relatively unknown players.

If we put him out there and played the same blitzing CB on an island defense we've played in recent years he would get absolutely mugged out there.

Not his fault he's not ready, but he's not ready.

all day this.

 

[DeAnna]

The only people who should be surprised that Brandon Williams sucks are all those people who were saying that he was "good" or "learning" or "holding his own" or whatever nonsense was being sold on this board during the preseason games. .

People on this board where only regurgitating what the Cardinals coaching staff was spewing (esp. PP21 who talked him up a lot.)

 

[kerouac9]

Not his fault he's not ready, but he's not ready.

Yeah, there seems to be a disconnect between "He's good for a guy who's only played cornerback for a year" and "He's good for a starting NFL cornerback." I believe the first statment; I don't believe the second one. People seemed to have swallowed the second one despite their eyes.

People on this board where only regurgitating what the Cardinals coaching staff was spewing (esp. PP21 who talked him up a lot.)

I looked back at that blog post and PP21 just said that "Brandon Williams has 'it'" at the OTAs. I feel like that train gained momentum so quickly that it ran out of control. Then you have Urban, Odegaard, and Calivisi on the Big Red Rage with different hot takes about BW.

 

[JeffGollin]

Cards cut Murray and re-signed Hartsfield. The Murray part of the story may grab more news space, but the move to add Hartsfield - in light of our CB situation - may prove more important.

Regarding what Keim did or did not do, some moves have made him look good. Yesterday's poor play by just about everyone (including the youngsters) made him look bad. Few if any GM's bat 1.000. Cards were forced to play the rook at #2 corner. If the rook does good, Keim's a genius. Rook didn't look great so Keim's a bum.

Looking at the long range view, I'll stick with Keim - he makes more good decisions than bad over the long haul and the percentages will eventually play out in his favor. (I devoutly hope that, before long, Brandon W and Canaday will redeem themselves and prove me right).

 

[SeattleCard]

Special-teams disaster. Why didn't they tell Andre Ellington to allow the ball to simply bounce into the end zone? They were kicking it to the two or 3 yard line. This was one of the many ways we were outcoached. I also totally agree that James bettcher is way over his head sometimes. It won't always happen, but against a well coached team like the patriots, he does not seem to make the right scheme change quick enough. Finally, I really wish they would get rid of our punter. He is terrible!

 

[BullheadCardFan]

• Cardinals GM: Loss to Patriots 'unacceptable
• 
  "You wake up Monday morning with a loss. You're angry, disappointed, embarrassed, and that's the way we should all feel," Keim said on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. "Just didn't get it done, and a lot of reasons why we didn't get it done. And that needs to improve. That's certainly unacceptable."
• Keim criticized all three phases of the Cardinals' performance at University of Phoenix Stadium, citing an overall lack of execution. He called Arizona's special teams "very disappointing in every area," its third-down defense "very frustrating," and said the passing game was "out of sync" in the first half, when quarterback Carson Palmer and his receivers "were not on the same page.
• Keim also blamed poor tackling for allowing what should've been a short gain on third-and-manageable situations to turn into a first down.
  "We knew it would be hard to get to Garoppolo because most of it would be a three-step drop and he would get the ball out of his hands, but the cushion that we played with, the isolations that they got with some of their inside slot receivers on safeties and the lack of leverage and the inability to tackle in space, those were all extremely disappointing and a major reason why we were 10-of-16," Keim said.
• Keim said he will bring in players to try out for the Cardinals on Tuesday -- something he didn't do last week -- but wouldn't specify at which positions.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Seems like Kiem put it all on the players with those comments.