Ken Whisenhunt Doesn't Have the Answers

[kerouac9]

I didn't get the chance to listen to the post-game interviews from Monday night until this morning. If you haven't heard Whis's interview with Paul Calvisi, I highly, highly recommend it. All I have to say is: wow.

I said last week that it's becoming increasingly apparent that Whis is feeling the pressure to perform respectably. That hasn't been more apparent than in Monday night's interview with Calvisi. Whis was PISSED. I don't know if it was something in the post-game presser with some national media, or what, but Whis was not happy.

If you're one of those people who doesn't think that Whis cares about the product that the team is putting on the field, that six minutes or whatever of tape should change your mind.

 

[WildBB]

Soo...he deeply cares, but has no answers....

 

[MadCardDisease]

Yeah I was listening to it on the way home from the game.

Thought that he was going rip Calvisi's head off. You could feel the frustration.

 

[cardpa]

Can someone post a link to it?

 

[Superfuzz]

He might care, but he's obviously too stupid to fix it.

If he's pissed, then why didn't he fire Grimm years ago?

Why didn't he and his GM go after Tackles in the early rounds the past 5 drafts?

Why didn't we even sign McKinnie for no draft picks in august when we're considering trading a draft pick for him now?

Why does his team play with no heart?

 

[az jam]

My issue basically is that as a season ticket holder in the Club section (which is expensive),the product on the field is not worth watching (or paying for). Its been a long time since I have seen an offense this bad.
I have zero confidence in the offense scoring any points. If it was a least exciting I wouldn't complain. The bottom line is Graves& Whiz sticking with all of the same. The paying fans are the losers for sure.

 

[kerouac9]

My issue basically is that as a season ticket holder in the Club section (which is expensive),the product on the field is not worth watching (or paying for). Its been a long time since I have seen an offense this bad.
I have zero confidence in the offense scoring any points. If it was a least exciting I wouldn't complain. The bottom line is Graves& Whiz sticking with all of the same. The paying fans are the losers for sure.

If you really care about it, and want something done, you need to call up your agent (or pick up when he calls you) and let him know that you love the defensive product on the field, but it's really difficult to watch the offense. As a club-level owner with a contract, your voice is significantly louder than most other season-ticket holders.

I think that Whis understands that while his job is probably safe right now, he knows that he's going to have to fire Miller and/or Grimm if things don't get turned around.

 

[kerouac9]

Can someone post a link to it?

It's not up on the Cards' website, unfortunately. If you have the AZCards app on your smartphone or can get to iTunes from your computer, you can get it.

 

[MadCardDisease]

He might care, but he's obviously too stupid to fix it.

If he's pissed, then why didn't he fire Grimm years ago?

Why didn't he and his GM go after Tackles in the early rounds the past 5 drafts?

Why didn't we even sign McKinnie for no draft picks in august when we're considering trading a draft pick for him now?

Why does his team play with no heart?

I completely disagree with most of this.

Whiz has done more with less throughout his career here.

How do you know we are trying to trade for McKinnie? It's all rumors. The guy is crap anyways so why would the Cards bring him in during FA?

How can you say his team doesn't play with Heart. You don't finish the season like they did last year without heart.

 

[Goldfield]

He might care, but he's obviously too stupid to fix it.

If he's pissed, then why didn't he fire Grimm years ago?

Why didn't he and his GM go after Tackles in the early rounds the past 5 drafts?

Why didn't we even sign McKinnie for no draft picks in august when we're considering trading a draft pick for him now?

Why does his team play with no heart?

The no heart comment is rediculas.

 

[Chopper0080]

I didn't get the chance to listen to the post-game interviews from Monday night until this morning. If you haven't heard Whis's interview with Paul Calvisi, I highly, highly recommend it. All I have to say is: wow.

I said last week that it's becoming increasingly apparent that Whis is feeling the pressure to perform respectably. That hasn't been more apparent than in Monday night's interview with Calvisi. Whis was PISSED. I don't know if it was something in the post-game presser with some national media, or what, but Whis was not happy.

If you're one of those people who doesn't think that Whis cares about the product that the team is putting on the field, that six minutes or whatever of tape should change your mind.

Do you have a link?

...nevermind

 

[Superfuzz]

The no heart comment is rediculas.

I agree, I really only meant his offense minus Larry.

But it's hard to argue that you play with heart when you start 4-0 and lose 4 in a row, capped off with a 24-3 domination by a division rival at home on national TV whom you beat last year with the same QB (Skelton).

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I didn't get the chance to listen to the post-game interviews from Monday night until this morning. If you haven't heard Whis's interview with Paul Calvisi, I highly, highly recommend it. All I have to say is: wow.

I said last week that it's becoming increasingly apparent that Whis is feeling the pressure to perform respectably. That hasn't been more apparent than in Monday night's interview with Calvisi. Whis was PISSED. I don't know if it was something in the post-game presser with some national media, or what, but Whis was not happy.

If you're one of those people who doesn't think that Whis cares about the product that the team is putting on the field, that six minutes or whatever of tape should change your mind.

Thanks for posting the link.



Something about Monday Night Games and Cardinals head coaching.

Whiz should be embarrassed.


Edit: Found the link

Got the link:

http://prod.static.cardinals.clubs.nfl.com/assets/podcast/podcasts.xml

You have to copy the link above, paste it in your browser and use a reader (aka Google Reader, or Google Mag) to hear it.

 

[conraddobler]

He's not nearly pissed off enough.

He needs to fire the right people, without that, he'll lose the respect of the players, the players know who the problem is, want their respect?

Give them a gameplan to win the game, give them coaching to do this, failure to do so loses a team.

He should of been on these guys years ago, for all the stupid crap they do, this is what comes from letting a team take a game off, the players start running the team and deciding when to show up.

Going into NE that one year or that Philly game, if he wasn't going to get chair throwing pissed off for that then he sucks as HC imo.

 

[Superfuzz]

I completely disagree with most of this.

Whiz has done more with less throughout his career here.

How do you know we are trying to trade for McKinnie? It's all rumors. The guy is crap anyways so why would the Cards bring him in during FA?

How can you say his team doesn't play with Heart. You don't finish the season like they did last year without heart.

I just can't justify all the wasted draft picks that lie squarely on he and Graves' shoulders. Let me take you down memory lane:

2007:
1. Levi Brown
2. Alan Branch
3. Buster Davis

2008:
1. DRC
4.Kenny Iwebema
7. Brandon Keith (it's obvious that NO ONE should have ever drafted him, no matter how low)

2009:
I won't include Beanie, but we probably could have done better for a first rounder.
2. Cody Brown
3. Rashad Johnson
5. Herman Johnson
6. Will Davis
2010:
1. Dan Williams (he can still redeem himself, but not worthy of a 1st as of today)
5. Skelton
6. Jorrick Calvin
7. Jim Dray

I won't judge the last two years just yet. I could have included more late-round picks, but didn't because they're late-round guys. But then again, you at least want those guys to turn into backups (i.e. how we SURE coulda used a guy like Herman Johnson or Trevor Canfield panning out as a backup OL right about now), not be out of football in 2 years.


I didn't say I knew we were trying to trade for McKinnie. But reports say we have some interest in doing so. It might not happen, but the point is that it highlights the fact that we could have had him for no compensation then and now we are looking at paying a draft pick. Why wasn't there a better backup plan for our OL? Oh yeah, because Grimm's in charge of that. Why would we want to bring him in anyways? Because guess what? D'Anthony Batiste is WORSE, even if McKinnie is crap.

This team didn't play with heart on MONDAY, not during the whole duration of Whiz's tenure. And as I said in my last post, what I really meant is the Offense (sans number 11). You don't let a beatable division rival come into your house and blow you out on national TV. The Defense was the only thing preventing it from being 45-3 instead.

 

[Chopper0080]

I didn't get the chance to listen to the post-game interviews from Monday night until this morning. If you haven't heard Whis's interview with Paul Calvisi, I highly, highly recommend it. All I have to say is: wow.

I said last week that it's becoming increasingly apparent that Whis is feeling the pressure to perform respectably. That hasn't been more apparent than in Monday night's interview with Calvisi. Whis was PISSED. I don't know if it was something in the post-game presser with some national media, or what, but Whis was not happy.

If you're one of those people who doesn't think that Whis cares about the product that the team is putting on the field, that six minutes or whatever of tape should change your mind.

I am excited to listen to this.

I agree with your statment that Whis is feeling some pressure and is searching for answers. More than that, I agree with what you said later where he seems to know he will have to make some decisions he doesn't like this offseason if things don't get turned around.

Say what you want about Whis, he does have some very good qualities as a head coach. He is loyal and consistent which is huge for an organizations long term success. It gives him credibility with both players and coaches and creates and environment where both believe they get a fair shake. This is why players really like Whis because he sticks to the plan, he doesn't waver, and he doesn't embarass them in the media.

Someone said Whis is stupid and I think that belief if rediculous. Whis is smart enough to know what he wants to fix on this team, but what he wants most is to be able to do so with the staff and players he has brought in. He believes in people and gives them chances to rise to the occassion. Where Whis has is faults is in the amount of time he is willing to give that person.

Finally, one area that needs to be considered is Whis has only his time with Arizona as head coaching experience. He is still very much a work in progress as a head coach where Harbaugh has been one for years at various levels. Keep that in mind when comparing his history to other coaches.

Personally, I think the fastest road to demise in the NFL is turnover. I hope Whis is smart enough to see the picture that should be painted by our front office and makes the necessary moves to get our offense/team fixed. I really do not believe our issue is a resource one. IMO the Cards have committed resources into fixing their issues, but they have just failed to do so in the correct ways (signing poor players). I believe the offseason is the time to make these moves, and I just hope our front office is strong enough to push him to make the decisions he doesn't want to. (Which is why there are such checks and balances)

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Bu...but....but.....the system works!

 

[Chopper0080]

I just can't justify all the wasted draft picks that lie squarely on he and Graves' shoulders. Let me take you down memory lane:

2007:
1. Levi Brown
2. Alan Branch
3. Buster Davis

2008:
1. DRC
4.Kenny Iwebema
7. Brandon Keith (it's obvious that NO ONE should have ever drafted him, no matter how low)

2009:
I won't include Beanie, but we probably could have done better for a first rounder.
2. Cody Brown
3. Rashad Johnson
5. Herman Johnson
6. Will Davis
2010:
1. Dan Williams (he can still redeem himself, but not worthy of a 1st as of today)
5. Skelton
6. Jorrick Calvin
7. Jim Dray

I won't judge the last two years just yet. I could have included more late-round picks, but didn't because they're late-round guys. But then again, you at least want those guys to turn into backups (i.e. how we SURE coulda used a guy like Herman Johnson or Trevor Canfield panning out as a backup OL right about now), not be out of football in 2 years.


I didn't say I knew we were trying to trade for McKinnie. But reports say we have some interest in doing so. It might not happen, but the point is that it highlights the fact that we could have had him for no compensation then and now we are looking at paying a draft pick. Why wasn't there a better backup plan for our OL? Oh yeah, because Grimm's in charge of that. Why would we want to bring him in anyways? Because guess what? D'Anthony Batiste is WORSE, even if McKinnie is crap.

This team didn't play with heart on MONDAY, not during the whole duration of Whiz's tenure. And as I said in my last post, what I really meant is the Offense (sans number 11). You don't let a beatable division rival come into your house and blow you out on national TV. The Defense was the only thing preventing it from being 45-3 instead.

Levi Brown has under-performed but he is far from a bust of a first round pick.

DRC was due to a defensive scheme switch and his overall attitude.

As far as some of your other posts. How can you say late round picks are intended to turn into backups while bashing the Cardinals drafting of Rashad Johnson, Jim Dray, Brandon Keith, and John Skelton. All on the roster as backups and injuries forced them into starting roles (w/ exception on Dray).

 

[Chopper0080]

Bu...but....but.....the system works!

The "system" does work, we are just struggling to get it re-assembled after Kurt Warner broke it.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Bu...but....but.....the system works!

I really don't think the 'system' is at fault, it is the coordinator of the system and the talent evaluators who bring in athletes to play the system.

Our offensive coordinators do not adapt the system well enough when injuries occur or when some clearly cannot execute a task (like a RB picking up a blitz - if they can't do it, don't ask them to). Given how complex the offense seems to be, finding adjustments should be easy if the coordinator has the ability to match resources with goals; and that is been a point of irritation with Whiz - he cannot be the OC and the head coach, the lackey OC cannot adjust this system well enough to cover any weaknesses, so our W-L record suffers.

And the talent evaluators clearly have faults when it comes to picking O-Linemen that fit our 'system' or we would still have a couple that we draft on the roster.

Bleh

 

[Jetstream Green]

I agree, I really only meant his offense minus Larry.

But it's hard to argue that you play with heart when you start 4-0 and lose 4 in a row, capped off with a 24-3 domination by a division rival at home on national TV whom you beat last year with the same QB (Skelton).

The guys on the Oline lack the physical talent to go up against a NFL defense, they can have the biggest heart in the world and it is not going to change the outcome in a game. BTW, winning and losing does not define heart. And teams change in the off season, the Niners are a better team since then and be it injuries or poor drafting on the line and the QB situation, the Cardinals are lacking

 

[Fitz Rulz]

I started not to listen to his pressers after defeats or the Monday presser too
same stuff
Will look at film. Will work harder.
You can work harder but doesn't mean you'll get it right. You got to have a plan and personnel.
The only thing I side with him, the mis-tackles. It became an obvious issue.

 

[Cards_Campos]

I started not to listen to his pressers after defeats or the Monday presser too
same stuff
Will look at film. Will work harder.
You can work harder but doesn't mean you'll get it right. You got to have a plan and personnel.
The only thing I side with him, the mis-tackles. It became an obvious issue.

Lol...see this is what I find hilarious. He point blanks throws the defense under the bus by stating we missed tackles....Yes we sure did no question. But the defense has been the 1 thing we can brag about....yes they missed some things Monday but good lord...San Fran wouldhave scored 50 if it wasnt for our defense.

Why doesnt he blast the offense for all the mistakes it makes. How many MISSED blocks do we have. He never states those and if he does...it is very quiet. The offense is keeping this team from making the playoffs...in fact the offense is keeping this team from being getting out of the bottom 4 worse teams. His hands are all over the offense....and it stinks....It has every game that WARNER hasnt played. It stunk when Leinart ran it when Warner was backup...it only worked when Warner used Hall of Fame releases and quick decisions.....

The issue I have....Is Whiz doesnt get it...he doesnt fix it. Does everyone not realize we had the 31st or 32nd run off when we went to the Super Bowl?? This isn't a new problem that just popped up 3 weeks ago. Edge was hardly a factor until the 2nd round of the play offs....in fact our defense came on stronger than anything during the playoffs.....and Clancy was out of a job faster than he could call Cover 2. Grimm couldnt teach how to block a fat blind elderly lady from getting through the crack under the door. And yet he still has a job and no one says anything in the media!!!

 

[MadCardDisease]

Why doesnt he blast the offense for all the mistakes it makes. How many MISSED blocks do we have.

Did you not listen to the post game interview. He went off on how bad the blocking was up front.

 

[kerouac9]

He's not nearly pissed off enough.

He needs to fire the right people, without that, he'll lose the respect of the players, the players know who the problem is, want their respect?

Give them a gameplan to win the game, give them coaching to do this, failure to do so loses a team.

He should of been on these guys years ago, for all the stupid crap they do, this is what comes from letting a team take a game off, the players start running the team and deciding when to show up.

Going into NE that one year or that Philly game, if he wasn't going to get chair throwing pissed off for that then he sucks as HC imo.

Is he going to find someone better right now than who he has? Where? If you fire coaches mid-season, all you do is create uncertainty on the roster, because guys know that whomever comes in behind them are going to want to bring in some of their own players to help install the system.

Suddenly, you have guys playing outside the system because they're trying to put their own film out there because they're trying to get a job. That's a really bad idea.