Ken Whisenhunt Doesn't Have the Answers

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Where was Haley in 2009? How was the Card offense without the genius Haley?

Mulli...by that time it was the Warner show.....Warner knew what to do and executed it pretty well.....Warner was basically the OC....in fact even with Haley here...They both worked together....But Warner had tons of input.

 

[Cards_Campos]

In fact...the way our offense is being run now...the guy that would fit it the best...is ...should I dare say...Leinart. Because we dont throw passes further than 15 yards down the field.....and we dont stretch the field deep at all.

 

[Mulli]

Mulli...by that time it was the Warner show.....Warner knew what to do and executed it pretty well.....Warner was basically the OC....in fact even with Haley here...They both worked together....But Warner had tons of input.

This does not even deserve a response any more.

 

[Cards_Campos]

That is why I think Whiz is stupid. His system never fit Warner...that is why it took a miracle and Hall of Fame stats for Whiz finally make Warner the starter. Then When Warner leaves....Whiz's system fitted Leinart perfectly...and yet he cuts him to sign ...SCUD. That made absolutely no sense.

 

[Cards_Campos]

This does not even deserve a response any more.

You are telling me You dont agree with that? How could you not? I can back my claims with stats....you base yours on what? What is our record with Warner and without....And even more telling...What are our passing stats/offensive stats without Warner!?!

 

[Mulli]

You are telling me You dont agree with that? How could you not? I can back my claims with stats....you base yours on what? What is our record with Warner and without....And even more telling...What are our passing stats/offensive stats without Warner!?!

Why would I bother having this discussion with you again? You are going back on ignore. I took you off because you weren't posting when the Cards were winning.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

The problem is...he is not an X's and O's coach. His schemes, adjustments, and play calling is abysmal. No changes....EVER. Its like bashing a square peg in a round hole.....Yea after 1000 hammer strikes it finally breaks thru...He will look up and say....see told you.

I actually think he is an X's and O's coach, and when he discusses finding receivers that fit their system, it comes out pretty well. I agree that he isn't a good coordinator, or at least a good coordinator when he is supposed to be the head coach - and many of us have complained about this since Haley left - they should have gotten a real OC - not let Whiz call plays, not let Miller or whomever on the inside get promoted as a lackey. Alas, that is what has happened and probably why we are bitching for 2.5 years about this.

A coordinator (ideally) can take the foundation of this system and adjust it to the players as needed, make the in-game adjustments, etc. Still wouldn't resolve the Grimm issue, but if I were a coordinator and had a bad position coach making the system impossible to implement, I would push to have it fixed or leave (like Warner).

 

[Cards_Campos]

With Haley

Warner 4583 30 TDS 14 INT 96.9 Passer rating and 286 yards a game passing!!!

Without Haley

Warner 3753 26 TDS 14 INT 93.2 250 yards a game


Haley made a bigger difference than I thought...and more than most probably believed.

 

[kerouac9]

With Haley

Warner 4583 30 TDS 14 INT 96.9 Passer rating and 286 yards a game passing!!!

Without Haley

Warner 3753 26 TDS 14 INT 93.2 250 yards a game


Haley made a bigger difference than I thought...and more than most probably believed.

To be fair, Warner was playing the entire 2009 season with a shoulder injury that really limited his ability to thrown down the field. And Warner had some really productive outings when Denny Green was still the head coach.

What Haley did was instill a culture of accountability, first with the WR corps, and then with the offense as a whole. I think that culture largely remains. The problems with the offense right now are more about Jimmys and Joes than X's and O's.

You just can't win battles at the line of scrimmage with D'Anthony Batiste and Bobby Massie getting manhanded on the edges so frequenty.

 

[Chopper0080]

To be fair, Warner was playing the entire 2009 season with a shoulder injury that really limited his ability to thrown down the field. And Warner had some really productive outings when Denny Green was still the head coach.

What Haley did was instill a culture of accountability, first with the WR corps, and then with the offense as a whole. I think that culture largely remains. The problems with the offense right now are more about Jimmys and Joes than X's and O's.

You just can't win battles at the line of scrimmage with D'Anthony Batiste and Bobby Massie getting manhanded on the edges so frequenty.

and with those bumbling idiots inside.

One play in the 4th Q made me laugh. Pre snap it looks like a 4 man rush, two per side. RB in the lackfield to Skelton's left. On the snap the RB steps up to help Batiste and Colledge whose men rush up the field, however on the other side, the DT pushes into the B gap and then DE loops into the A gap after being disenguaging w/ Massie. The stunting DE goes right past Sendlein who is looking to the left where we already have the numbers advantage and gets the sack. That is how rediculous our pass blocking is now, and it isn't just the OTs.

 

[kerouac9]

and with those bumbling idiots inside.

One play in the 4th Q made me laugh. Pre snap it looks like a 4 man rush, two per side. RB in the lackfield to Skelton's left. On the snap the RB steps up to help Batiste and Colledge whose men rush up the field, however on the other side, the DT pushes into the B gap and then DE loops into the A gap after being disenguaging w/ Massie. The stunting DE goes right past Sendlein who is looking to the left where we already have the numbers advantage and gets the sack. That is how rediculous our pass blocking is now, and it isn't just the OTs.

To be fair, that's a personnel problem, too. The weakness of the line is clearly on the edges, so all the guards are worried about defending the C-gap on their outside shoulders. When everyone's fan blocking, the middle is open. We remain really remarkably vulnerable to tackle-end stunts. We just don't see many of them because the quickest path to the quarterback remains directly through the tackles.

I'm convinced that with Levi Brown in this offensive line goes from cover-your-eyes awful to below-average, and with another year on the birthday cake for Massie goes from below-average to average.

 

[Chopper0080]

To be fair, that's a personnel problem, too. The weakness of the line is clearly on the edges, so all the guards are worried about defending the C-gap on their outside shoulders. When everyone's fan blocking, the middle is open. We remain really remarkably vulnerable to tackle-end stunts. We just don't see many of them because the quickest path to the quarterback remains directly through the tackles.

I'm convinced that with Levi Brown in this offensive line goes from cover-your-eyes awful to below-average, and with another year on the birthday cake for Massie goes from below-average to average.

My point is that the OC looks left which is the side where the RB is lined up and already helping. We essentially had 4 guys blocking two on the left and two guys blocking two on the right. Sendlein has to know where the RB is helping, check for blitz, and then look to the opposite side of the help.

 

[vinnymac]

I completely disagree with most of this.

Whiz has done more with less throughout his career here.

How do you know we are trying to trade for McKinnie? It's all rumors. The guy is crap anyways so why would the Cards bring him in during FA?

How can you say his team doesn't play with Heart. You don't finish the season like they did last year without heart.

Great post. It is up to the players to produce. The coaches on this team have put the players in good position to succeed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Got the link:

http://prod.static.cardinals.clubs.nfl.com/assets/podcast/podcasts.xml

You have to copy the link above, paste it in your browser and use a reader (aka Google Reader, or Google Mag) to hear it.

Edit: Yeah he is getting tired of his crappy offensive line. Strange that this is the case and the Cardinals pass two opportunities to improve the line.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Great post. It is up to the players to produce. The coaches on this team have put the players in good position to succeed.

You need good players to win. The Cardinals offensive line is one of the worst in the history of the NFL. If the coaches had any part in assembling this line, then a lot of the blame is on them.

 

[nashman]

Yeah Whiz has nothing to do with the offensive line... Come on that moron put it together with crap that he thought would work, no high draft picks and retreads no one wanted! If you still can't see this guy can't judge talent then your just not paying attention!