Kendall Marshall on the trade block

[sunsfan88]

The Suns have put Kendall Marshall on the trade block in hopes of getting some return on the 2012 lottery pick, several league executives told NBA.com, with Marshall at No. 3 on the depth chart at point guard at moving to upgrade the position.

“He’s out there,” said a member of one personnel department, meaning Marshall is available.

“They’re trying to attach him to pretty much any deal that comes up,” another executive said here at summer league. “If you want to talk about any of their players, they include him. He’s basically the price of admission to any trade right now.”

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2013/07/15/sources-kendall-marshall-on-the-block/

Can't say I'm disappointed

But the kid did play well in today's game. Hopefully that increased his trade value a little.

I think that his sarcastic reaction to Hornacek's comments on Twitter probably play at least a small part in this.

 

[Sci Fi]

Watching the Atlanta and San Antonio game now. They just had Scott Howard Cooper on and he said the Suns want to play fast and he just doesn't have the speed to do so. This doesn't seem hard to believe as tonight during the game I wandered why he wasn't playing much in the fourth quarter.

 

[Mainstreet]

Watching the Atlanta and San Antonio game now. They just had Scott Howard Cooper on and he said the Suns want to play fast and he just doesn't have the speed to do so. This doesn't seem hard to believe as tonight during the game I wandered why he wasn't playing much in the fourth quarter.

Marshall played nearly 25 minutes. Did you watch the end of the 4th quarter? Read some tweets from Paul coro.

Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro 2h

On a 4-shot #Suns possession, Tucker scored inside off a Marshall feed to tie the score at 89. Wolves ball with 7.3 seconds to go.
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Paul Coro ‏@paulcoro 2h

Marshall hits two 3s around a Markieff 3 to tie it at 87 with 52 seconds to go. MIN 89-87 with 35.8 seconds to go. #Suns ball.

The Suns win this game with a big help from Marshall.

https://twitter.com/paulcoro

 

[Sci Fi]

Yes I watched the game. In looking at the play by play, he was taken out with 4:47 left in the fourth with the Suns trying to come back. It seemed odd he went out then considering they were trying to win.

Also, the previous tweets where Marshall commented something like he couldn't play fast, he had only played at the fasted paced team in college ball now seem a bit clearer. They probably told him they were looking to move him because he wasn't fast enough and he reacted.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I'm not shocked the Suns have put him on the block; I honestly felt it was just a matter of time before he was dangled in trade talks the moment they acquired Bledsoe.

As for Marshall as a whole, I think he's still got plenty of time to develop in to a good PG. At worst, I see him being a floor general; even if his offensive game never develops. There's a place for him in the NBA, even if it isn't in Phoenix.

 

[JS22]

I'm not shocked the Suns have put him on the block; I honestly felt it was just a matter of time before he was dangled in trade talks the moment they acquired Bledsoe.

As for Marshall as a whole, I think he's still got plenty of time to develop in to a good PG. At worst, I see him being a floor general; even if his offensive game never develops. There's a place for him in the NBA, even if it isn't in Phoenix.

Backup PG who can occasionally provide assists in bunches and help run the second unit. Unless he can develop some sort of offense, that's his ceiling IMO.

I can't really compare him to Andre Miller. Miller could score a little. In fact, I can't think of ANYONE to compare him to.

Jason Kidd with an even worse shot & half the athleticism?

 

[SirStefan32]

Backup PG who can occasionally provide assists in bunches and help run the second unit. Unless he can develop some sort of offense, that's his ceiling IMO.

I can't really compare him to Andre Miller. Miller could score a little. In fact, I can't think of ANYONE to compare him to.

Jason Kidd with an even worse shot & half the athleticism?

Problem with Marshall is that he is terrible offensively AND defensively. Kidd, for example, was a terrible shooter, but he was an excellent defender, and he could score a bit (drive, post up, etc.) Nash, a terrible defender, is a fantastic shooter. If you can pass the ball AND do something else (either shoot or play defense), you can be successful in the NBA, but if you can't do either- I don't think you'll make it.

 

[Gaddabout]

Kidd was an athletic freak. 6-4 and built like a bull.

 

[devilalum]

Kidd was an athletic freak. 6-4 and built like a bull.

When Kidd came to the Suns he could score 8 points and still completely dominate a game.

 

[sunsfan88]

Problem with Marshall is that he is terrible offensively AND defensively. Kidd, for example, was a terrible shooter, but he was an excellent defender, and he could score a bit (drive, post up, etc.) Nash, a terrible defender, is a fantastic shooter. If you can pass the ball AND do something else (either shoot or play defense), you can be successful in the NBA, but if you can't do either- I don't think you'll make it.

And don't forget about athleticism either. To be even a decent PG in the NBA you have to either be a good shooter, good defender or have very good athleticism in addition to being able to share the rock.

 

[SirStefan32]

And don't forget about athleticism either. To be even a decent PG in the NBA you have to either be a good shooter, good defender or have very good athleticism in addition to being able to share the rock.

Yeah, athleticism is important too, but I don't think athleticism alone is going to do it. You still have to be able to shoot/ score, or defend.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah, athleticism is important too, but I don't think athleticism alone is going to do it. You still have to be able to shoot/ score, or defend.

Athleticism is one of those words (like tanking) that almost has to be defined every time you use it. For some people, it simply means the ability to jump. That's why someone like Nash, who is tremendously athletic IMO, is often labeled as not being athletic. I think hand to eye coordination, quick hands, quick feet, balance and so many other attributes are also a part of athleticism but they tend to get overlooked by some people.

Steve

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Athleticism is one of those words (like tanking) that almost has to be defined every time you use it. For some people, it simply means the ability to jump. That's why someone like Nash, who is tremendously athletic IMO, is often labeled as not being athletic. I think hand to eye coordination, quick hands, quick feet, balance and so many other attributes are also a part of athleticism but they tend to get overlooked by some people.

Steve

It's true that most people use athleticism to describe a person's jumping ability. Personally when I'm describing a player I try put speed, quickness, athleticism and agility into their own categories. Though technically those other 3 things are part of athleticism. So when I describe Nash (in his prime) the athletic words I would use are quick, fast and agile, but I wouldn't say athletic because I associate that with jumping ability.

 

[PDXChris]

If Brandon Jennings bolts, the Bucks will not have a PG on thier roster other than Ish Smith, which has played 121 games in his three year career for 5 teams. Seems like a great fit. The Thunder also could use a backup PG.

 

[carey]

Athleticism is one of those words (like tanking) that almost has to be defined every time you use it. For some people, it simply means the ability to jump. That's why someone like Nash, who is tremendously athletic IMO, is often labeled as not being athletic. I think hand to eye coordination, quick hands, quick feet, balance and so many other attributes are also a part of athleticism but they tend to get overlooked by some people.

Steve

Great post. I also hate how white players are automatically "unathletic." If they are great players it's always in spite of their limited athleticism.

 

[Mainstreet]

My view on Kendall Marshall has changed a lot since the end of the season. I'm thinking he will make a solid PG for some team if not the Suns. The passing was always there but now his outside shot looks better and for whatever reason (maybe conditioning) he is faster.

I do think he will be able to run an uptempo offense in the NBA whereas before I was very skeptical. IMO, Marshall is the type player that will get better every season. Now that the Suns have faster, more athletic players that can play PG, I'd like to see them get something out of him as it appears the Suns may be willing to move him.

However, who is to say Marshall might not still turn out to be the Suns best PG (on the current team) in time if they kept him? A number of PGs in the NBA have trouble playing defense.

 

[Phrazbit]

Hearing the way McD talks about him you get the sense that Marshall is not in his plans and not at all in the mold of players he intends to construct this team around.

Whether by trade or simply not picking up his option I do not expect him to be here after this year.

 

[Mainstreet]

Hearing the way McD talks about him you get the sense that Marshall is not in his plans and not at all in the mold of players he intends to construct this team around.

Whether by trade or simply not picking up his option I do not expect him to be here after this year.

I think you're right about both points, that McDonnough is moving a direction and that Marshall is likely to be moved one way or the other. However, I no longer view Marshall as a likely bust. I think he will surprise teams as he improves season to season. It would be nice to get some value for him rather than as a throw-in in a trade.

 

[leclerc]

Can't see what's the rush. If Marshall is a piece in a good deal, then ship him out. If not, let him be the backup PG for 10 minutes a game, as long as Dragic, Bledsoe and Goodwin gets the bulk of the minutes.

 

[CardsFan88]

Seeing how young our team is, and how many guys need to grow into the league, trading him for nothing just isn't wise.

He could develop into something that later might have some value. Right now it sounds like he is a throw in.

We might as well give him a chance to develop before jettisoning him. What do we have to lose? We're not making the playoffs and his contract isn't much.

If he's not McD's type of PG, that doesn't mean he don't or won't have value to someone else. It's not like we're hurting for a roster spot to sign a guy to make a championship run.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Seeing how young our team is, and how many guys need to grow into the league, trading him for nothing just isn't wise.

He could develop into something that later might have some value. Right now it sounds like he is a throw in.

We might as well give him a chance to develop before jettisoning him. What do we have to lose? We're not making the playoffs and his contract isn't much.

If he's not McD's type of PG, that doesn't mean he don't or won't have value to someone else. It's not like we're hurting for a roster spot to sign a guy to make a championship run.

What do we have to lose? A roster spot that could be better filled by your average D Leaguer. I don't like much about Marshall as a basketball player. I don't like his handle, I don't like his passing (and that's his strong suit), I don't like the way he runs a half-court offense, I don't like his shot, I don't like his defense and I don't like his attitude. If Hornacek and company feel anywhere close to this about Marshall they'd be foolish to keep him. Yes, there's a chance that he could develop into a decent backup guard but that just numbers him among the hundreds that try to crack this league each year.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

What do we have to lose? A roster spot that could be better filled by your average D Leaguer. I don't like much about Marshall as a basketball player. I don't like his handle, I don't like his passing (and that's his strong suit), I don't like the way he runs a half-court offense, I don't like his shot, I don't like his defense and I don't like his attitude. If Hornacek and company feel anywhere close to this about Marshall they'd be foolish to keep him. Yes, there's a chance that he could develop into a decent backup guard but that just numbers him among the hundreds that try to crack this league each year.

Steve

Yeah, forget any kind things I have said about him lately. I'd rather keep Garrett.

 

[sunsfan88]

My view on Kendall Marshall has changed a lot since the end of the season. I'm thinking he will make a solid PG for some team if not the Suns. The passing was always there but now his outside shot looks better and for whatever reason (maybe conditioning) he is faster.

I do think he will be able to run an uptempo offense in the NBA whereas before I was very skeptical. IMO, Marshall is the type player that will get better every season. Now that the Suns have faster, more athletic players that can play PG, I'd like to see them get something out of him as it appears the Suns may be willing to move him.

However, who is to say Marshall might not still turn out to be the Suns best PG (on the current team) in time if they kept him? A number of PGs in the NBA have trouble playing defense.

Really? What has he done since the end of the season to impress you so much?

He's been pretty awful in SL so far except for maybe one game. And he's managed to put up sarcastic responses to his new HC's comments on Twitter showing how arrogant is.

I think Goodwin's improved his shooting since the end of his college season more than Marshall has since the end of his NBA season. And Marshall is 21 while Goodwin's 18.

At this point, I think Garrett has earned his spot ahead of Marshall on the depth chart.

 

[Joe Mama]

Yeah, forget any kind things I have said about him lately. I'd rather keep Garrett.

Really? What has he done since the end of the season to impress you so much?

He's been pretty awful in SL so far except for maybe one game. And he's managed to put up sarcastic responses to his new HC's comments on Twitter showing how arrogant is.

I think Goodwin's improved his shooting since the end of his college season more than Marshall has since the end of his NBA season. And Marshall is 21 while Goodwin's 18.

At this point, I think Garrett has earned his spot ahead of Marshall on the depth chart.

I thought Marshall looked better this summer league, but I would still trade him for an open roster spot in a heartbeat. I'm trying to figure out how Garrett has earned his spot ahead of Marshall in your guys eyes though. He apparently had a great 2nd quarter yesterday. I didn't get a chance to see it because I was watching a riveting press conference instead.

The rest of the time I thought Garrett was pretty much awful.

Joe

 

[Sci Fi]

What do we have to lose? A roster spot that could be better filled by your average D Leaguer. I don't like much about Marshall as a basketball player. I don't like his handle, I don't like his passing (and that's his strong suit), I don't like the way he runs a half-court offense, I don't like his shot, I don't like his defense and I don't like his attitude. If Hornacek and company feel anywhere close to this about Marshall they'd be foolish to keep him. Yes, there's a chance that he could develop into a decent backup guard but that just numbers him among the hundreds that try to crack this league each year.

Steve

I've tried to keep an open mind about Marshall in spite of how awful he was last year but I'd say this is a pretty good summary (except I think he's a better passer). Especially agree about the developing part. Even with development where does that leave him?

Amazing to think that if last year at this time one had said PJ Tucker would be a starter on the Suns (or even possibly this year?) and that Garrett could replace Marshall as the back -up PG, there would have been more than a few chuckles.

Should Marshall be traded, it will be interesting to see who plays or if they get someone else. On most teams this is a very important position but since Dragic and Bledsoe's minutes won't always align, it could be as little as 8-10 minutes that one is not on the floor. Could Garrett fill that role?