Kendall Marshall on the trade block

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I've tried to keep an open mind about Marshall in spite of how awful he was last year but I'd say this is a pretty good summary (except I think he's a better passer). Especially agree about the developing part. Even with development where does that leave him?

Amazing to think that if last year at this time one had said PJ Tucker would be a starter on the Suns (or even possibly this year?) and that Garrett could replace Marshall as the back -up PG, there would have been more than a few chuckles.

Should Marshall be traded, it will be interesting to see who plays or if they get someone else. On most teams this is a very important position but since Dragic and Bledsoe's minutes won't always align, it could be as little as 8-10 minutes that one is not on the floor. Could Garrett fill that role?

I think he has good vision and he puts the pass right where he intends to so I can see why people say he is a good passer. I have issues with him because he makes passes through traffic that he just shouldn't attempt. He doesn't have the zip on that kind of pass to make it successfully but he tries it anyway. It's quite probable that this problem will disappear as he becomes more aware of how much quicker and longer the defenders are at this level. I'm just a little disappointed that he hasn't already come to grips with this as he was embarrassed doing these same things last summer.

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I think he has good vision and he puts the pass right where he intends to so I can see why people say he is a good passer. I have issues with him because he makes passes through traffic that he just shouldn't attempt. He doesn't have the zip on that kind of pass to make it successfully but he tries it anyway. It's quite probably that this problem will disappear as he becomes more aware of how much quicker and longer the defenders are at this level. I'm just a little disappointed that he hasn't already come to grips with this as he was embarrassed doing these same things last summer.

Steve

Yup, he tried one of those beauties the other night in the third game that ended in a dunk .................... for the wrong team.
 

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What do we have to lose? A roster spot that could be better filled by your average D Leaguer. I don't like much about Marshall as a basketball player. I don't like his handle, I don't like his passing (and that's his strong suit), I don't like the way he runs a half-court offense, I don't like his shot, I don't like his defense and I don't like his attitude. If Hornacek and company feel anywhere close to this about Marshall they'd be foolish to keep him. Yes, there's a chance that he could develop into a decent backup guard but that just numbers him among the hundreds that try to crack this league each year.

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Exactly an average D Leaguer isn't losing much. Meanwhile the skills he has, which are important in the NBA, might show up somewhere down the line.

He was easily the best passer in the draft last year. He has that. He needs to adapt it a bit to the pros so he eliminates some of the bonehead passes, but his passing ability is there and that's enough right there. You need guys that are special in something. Creating shots. Rebounding. Defense. PASSING.

He's obviously missing a bunch of other qualities that need to be taught to him. If he can be taught, he might turn out to be a quality player, which may have value. If not, then he'll be relegated to a short career at the end of a bench.

That's a lot more than an average D-Leaguer will ever bring. That's why you keep him and don't just throw him away. If someone values him highly in a trade it's one thing, but to just give him away is bad business.

Ah, now I also see you want Garret, which makes your viewpoint make more sense. You're talking more about a player for a player, rather then ditch him against an unknown.

I don't like Marshall's attitude either regarding his viewpoints of what he needs to work on, but it was clear he actually thought Horne was making a dig about him. It happens. I won't crucify a young kid due to a semantic difference between him and his coach. How many past players would have done the same thing if born later. Young players and twitter are something only this generation can be judged against, which while true they should know better, is a bit unfair in the grand comparison. How many older players would have done the same dang thing and gone on to be great players and/or very coachable players.
 
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I thought Marshall looked better this summer league, but I would still trade him for an open roster spot in a heartbeat. I'm trying to figure out how Garrett has earned his spot ahead of Marshall in your guys eyes though. He apparently had a great 2nd quarter yesterday. I didn't get a chance to see it because I was watching a riveting press conference instead.

The rest of the time I thought Garrett was pretty much awful.

Joe

I've pretty much sold out to athleticism. :)

Marshall will look decent one game and then frustrate me the next game. I guess I've lost patience. I wouldn't be unhappy if the Suns kept him but I think they can do better.
 

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I've pretty much sold out to athleticism. :)

Marshall will look decent one game and then frustrate me the next game. I guess I've lost patience. I wouldn't be unhappy if the Suns kept him but I think they can do better.

yeah, it's not that I like Marshall. I'll say again that nobody's been more critical of that draft pick than I have, and I'm one of these guys that usually ends up justifying the pick even if it's not my favorite. Announce the first one I can remember that I just hated him. The worst part is that wasn't even my least favorite move they made last summer (Michael Beasley).

I just don't understand the idea of replacing him with Garrett, and I thought Garrett looks like a much better prospect last summer. This summer, except for a quarter here or there I thought Garrett was really bad, like not worthy of a camp invite.

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I'd replace him with Goudelock in 2 shakes of a lamb's tail.

But you can't have him. :p There is already an agreement in place between him and the Bulls to have him in camp as a non roster invitee. They want to add a G and a Big to the roster and will determine who those are when they go to camp. Goudelock is a lock to make the team IMHO. I would love to see him play along side D-Rose next season.
 

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Every time I see Goudelock's name, I want to pronounce it as Goldilocks like in the fairy tale. :)

Heh, me too. His first shot was too short. His second shot was too long. But his third shot was juuust right.
 
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But you can't have him. :p There is already an agreement in place between him and the Bulls to have him in camp as a non roster invitee. They want to add a G and a Big to the roster and will determine who those are when they go to camp. Goudelock is a lock to make the team IMHO. I would love to see him play along side D-Rose next season.
Don't get your hopes up about Goudelock. There have been plenty who do great in summer league and then go on to play really bad in the regular season.

He didn't look very impressive at all with the Lakers.
 

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Don't get your hopes up about Goudelock. There have been plenty who do great in summer league and then go on to play really bad in the regular season.

He didn't look very impressive at all with the Lakers.

He sure did in those two games he started for the Lakers in the playoffs after Kobe got hurt against a great Spurs team. ;) Prior to that he hardly played.
 

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I do know that I have no interest in seeing Marshall get ANY minutes this year. He has looked very pedestrian in summer league. He did the same last year in the season, in summer league, and in the d-league. The best option for Marshall would be to send him to the d-league for an extended period.

Otherwise, just give him garbage minutes to help keep other players from injury when the game is no longer in question.
 

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I do know that I have no interest in seeing Marshall get ANY minutes this year. He has looked very pedestrian in summer league. He did the same last year in the season, in summer league, and in the d-league. The best option for Marshall would be to send him to the d-league for an extended period.

Otherwise, just give him garbage minutes to help keep other players from injury when the game is no longer in question.

Is there an e-league, maybe an f-league?

Steve
 
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He sure did in those two games he started for the Lakers in the playoffs after Kobe got hurt against a great Spurs team. ;) Prior to that he hardly played.

Scoring 20 pts and 14 pts in garbage time of blow out losses isn't all that impressive. Not to mention that he didn't contribute in assists or rebounds or anything either.

You are right about the playing time but seeing how LAL desperately needed some good guard play this past season, I think they would have played him more if they thought he was any good.
 

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Scoring 20 pts and 14 pts in garbage time of blow out losses isn't all that impressive. Not to mention that he didn't contribute in assists or rebounds or anything either.

You are right about the playing time but seeing how LAL desperately needed some good guard play this past season, I think they would have played him more if they thought he was any good.

Garbage time? I did not know starting both games and playing over 30 minutes is garbage time. Man, it appears most star NBA players get their points in garbage time. ;)

I am not saying the guy is going to be a star, but if Thibs thinks he can play, then I am comfortable with him playing next to Rose. Also, the Bulls now develop players, when is the last time the Lakers developed anyone? You can look at the late round plays in Gibson and Butler as great examples. Also, look at how Noah has blossomed when most thought he would be a bust. Too bad this staff was not around for Tyrus Thomas. Even Marquis Teague showed some signs late in the season and again in Summer league.
 
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Garbage time? I did not know starting both games and playing over 30 minutes is garbage time. Man, it appears most star NBA players get their points in garbage time. ;)

I am not saying the guy is going to be a star, but if Thibs thinks he can play, then I am comfortable with him playing next to Rose. Also, the Bulls now develop players, when is the last time the Lakers developed anyone? You can look at the late round plays in Gibson and Butler as great examples. Also, look at how Noah has blossomed when most thought he would be a bust. Too bad this staff was not around for Tyrus Thomas. Even Marquis Teague showed some signs late in the season and again in Summer league.

Gibson isn't all that special. He's a good defensive PF/rebounder with an inconsistent jump shot.

Butler, I agree will likely turn into a star player when given playing time. I actually see the potential in him.

Are you a Bulls fan?
 

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Gibson isn't all that special. He's a good defensive PF/rebounder with an inconsistent jump shot.

Butler, I agree will likely turn into a star player when given playing time. I actually see the potential in him.

Are you a Bulls fan?

No, he's a Bulls fan.

Steve
 
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But you can't have him. :p There is already an agreement in place between him and the Bulls to have him in camp as a non roster invitee. They want to add a G and a Big to the roster and will determine who those are when they go to camp. Goudelock is a lock to make the team IMHO. I would love to see him play along side D-Rose next season.
I hope you followed my advice and didn't keep your hopes up :D

Andrew Goudelock has signed a one-year deal with BC UNICS of Russia.
Goudelock played last season with the Los Angeles Lakers and Rio Grande Valley Vipers of the D-League. Goudelock was MVP of the D-League.
 

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I asked if Marshall was a locker room liability. Was told he's not one. Not yet. Suns are openly marketing him to buyers, but will find a way for him to contribute if they don't find a taker. Teams that want him shouldn't expect to get him for free.
 

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He needs to keep his attitude in check. He needs to keep his mouth shut. He needs to be humble and work hard. If he can do these things, and we don't find a great trade for him, I don't mind keeping him. Marshall was clearly the best passer on our SL team imo. Much rather have him over Garrett.
 
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I asked if Marshall was a locker room liability. Was told he's not one. Not yet. Suns are openly marketing him to buyers, but will find a way for him to contribute if they don't find a taker. Teams that want him shouldn't expect to get him for free.
Who did you ask?
 

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Suns are openly marketing him to buyers, but will find a way for him to contribute if they don't find a taker. Teams that want him shouldn't expect to get him for free.

"Yeah, this young lottery PG doesn't really have a place on our rebuilding team with no talent, but if you want to give us a good price for him, we'll listen." Good luck with that.
 

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