"Kerr says Suns are in talks for Garnett"

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I am pretty surpised that there isn't more fan backlash against Diaw. I loved him the first year but no one drove me crazy during the game like he did.

The guy is frustrating as hell, because it's obvious he really knows how to play. If half the time he decided to flip in layups as opposed to kicking it out when he is right by the rim, he would be extremely effective. His post moves are excellent, as shown a few times in the SA series where he faked Duncan out of his jock. If he had Amare's heart he would be an All Star, and while my expectations are lowered, he is still very young and can have a productive career. I am trying to be patient, but another year of last year's bs and I will be royally pissed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Diaw for Artest.

At least Artest gets suspended for actuallly DOING something. Might as well make it count. After all, the NBA goes alot easier on guys who actually DO THINGS that are dirty.

 

[Mainstreet]

For some reason I just see Diaw as a good fit at Golden State. Might they have interest?

 

[dodie53]

For some reason I just see Diaw as a good fit at Golden State. Might they have interest?

who would you trade for diaw?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Diaw for Artest.

At least Artest gets suspended for actuallly DOING something. Might as well make it count. After all, the NBA goes alot easier on guys who actually DO THINGS that are dirty.

iw ouldn't midn this, although it's a HUGE risk and a character the Suns probably wouldn't want on their team.

 

[F-Dog]

Artest is a ticking time bomb, but while he's still ticking, he would certainly solve the Suns' problems at SF...

I guess Diaw is almost as much of a risk.

 

[SunsTzu]

I don't see how anyone who criticizes Marion's playoff performance would want Artest.

 

[F-Dog]

I don't see how anyone who criticizes Marion's playoff performance would want Artest.

If he/she thought the Suns need someone who'll retaliate against cheap shots, I could see it.

Artest would also be able to post up smaller players...he'd be less like Marion and more like what the Suns were hoping to get from Q Richardson.

 

[SunsTzu]

If he/she thought the Suns need someone who'll retaliate against cheap shots, I could see it.

Artest would also be able to post up smaller players...he'd be less like Marion and more like what the Suns were hoping to get from Q Richardson.

If Artest could regularly post anyone up with success why does his fg% plummet in the playoffs. Not only do most of his stats go down in the playoffs but he totally kills his teams offense by pounding the ball into the ground whenever he gets it.

 

[F-Dog]

If Artest could regularly post anyone up with success why does his fg% plummet in the playoffs. Not only do most of his stats go down in the playoffs but he totally kills his teams offense by pounding the ball into the ground whenever he gets it.

You answered your own question--he goes outside of his team's offense because he lacks discipline.

That said, he was matched up against Bowen and SA last time, and plenty of stars have done worse than he did against that matchup.

 

[Mainstreet]

who would you trade for diaw?

I'd probably like Biedrins.

Really I have no trade in mind, but I was just thinking of a team where Diaw might play well. However, I still haven't given up on him in Phoenix.

 

[dodie53]

imo, diaw should stay in phoenix, marion must go..

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

If Artest could regularly post anyone up with success why does his fg% plummet in the playoffs. Not only do most of his stats go down in the playoffs but he totally kills his teams offense by pounding the ball into the ground whenever he gets it.

Because he usually is the go to scorer on the team. All Artest would need to do here is hit the three point shot, and play defense. I think that he'd be a great fit here.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Because he usually is the go to scorer on the team. All Artest would need to do here is hit the three point shot, and play defense. I think that he'd be a great fit here.

does artest have consistent 3 point range? i've never thought of him as a shooter per se, more of a slasher/post up player on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[SunsTzu]

Because he usually is the go to scorer on the team. All Artest would need to do here is hit the three point shot, and play defense. I think that he'd be a great fit here.

Actually the problem is Artest THINKS he's the go to scorer. When in fact each trip to the playoffs he should never have been anything more than a suplimentary scorer.

And no one is going to honor his 3pt shooting, not to mention I think his defense is overrated and wouldn't significantly improve the team defense.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

does artest have consistent 3 point range? i've never thought of him as a shooter per se, more of a slasher/post up player on the offensive side of the ball.

He can do both. He shot 36% this year, but I'm sure that will raise when he gets into the Sun's system (it's done it for pretty much all of our players). In the recent games that I've watched, he seems to be going to his jumpshot more and more instead of driving. However, he still has that slashing ability which we really could've used when baskets were hard to come by. When Barbosa doesn't play well, we really don't have anybody to drive in and get easy baskets around the hoop.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Actually the problem is Artest THINKS he's the go to scorer. When in fact each trip to the playoffs he should never have been anything more than a suplimentary scorer.

And no one is going to honor his 3pt shooting, not to mention I think his defense is overrated and wouldn't significantly improve the team defense.

Artest is the best perimeter defender in the league. I'm not sure why you think his defense is overrated. And yeah, Artest can monopolize the ball too much, but with the Kings I think that he should've been their number one scoring option. Sacramento is just an awful situation for him, you have him playing with a coach that nobody had any confidence in, and a bunch of semi-washed up guys in Bibby and Miller, with no shot at the playoffs. Obviously that isn't going to encourage model citizenship.

 

[TJ]

do not trade Stoudemire

 

[Mainstreet]

Sounds like Artest could be the Suns version of Bowen except (IMO) Artest has more talent.

 

[Mainstreet]

do not trade Stoudemire

Get Arenas to come to Phoenix and I'll see what I can do.

I take it you are a UofA supporter or alum, maybe you can turn some wheels.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Get Arenas to come to Phoenix and I'll see what I can do.

I take it you are a UofA supporter or alum, maybe you can turn some wheels.

I hate Gilbert Arenas. He's an egotistical blowhard and a crappy teammate. And I this coming from an unbiased Gonzaga fan.

 

[cly2tw]

Sounds like Artest could be the Suns version of Bowen except (IMO) Artest has more talent.

Artest would be great fit in Suns and particularly useful against the Spurs, talent wise. Even if he got beat by his men, he'd let them feel it, the way Cheap Shot Bob, Dirty Bruce do. He will be intimidating to Manu and even Parker too. And in place of Marion, he'd abuse any of their perimeter players on offense, and has a better 3-pt shot.

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

Artest would be great fit in Suns and particularly useful against the Spurs, talent wise. Even if he got beat by his men, he'd let them feel it, the way Cheap Shot Bob, Dirty Bruce do. He will be intimidating to Manu and even Parker too. And in place of Marion, he'd abuse any of their perimeter players on offense, and has a better 3-pt shot.

Exactly. With him and Sheed, we'd no longer be getting pushed around by anybody. Both of those guys know how to dish it out. I'd go as far to say that if we got that lineup (Nash, Bell, Artest, Sheed, KG) that we'd be the best defensive team in the league. That's just nasty.

 

[SunsTzu]

Artest is the best perimeter defender in the league. I'm not sure why you think his defense is overrated. And yeah, Artest can monopolize the ball too much, but with the Kings I think that he should've been their number one scoring option. Sacramento is just an awful situation for him, you have him playing with a coach that nobody had any confidence in, and a bunch of semi-washed up guys in Bibby and Miller, with no shot at the playoffs. Obviously that isn't going to encourage model citizenship.

It's the Suns interior defense that needs improving imo. Artest is going to be able to defend TD or slow down Parker. Also his defense has taken a dive without JO behind him.

When he was first traded to the Kings Bibby and Wells were both better options scoring and last year Kevin Martin was their best scorer. Unlike Marion, Artest will try to force his scoring on a game at the expense of the team.

Also his career 3pt% is 32%, 36% is a career high. And while many guys see there 3pt% go up playing with Nash those players are spot up shooters which Artest is not(like Marion who had 2 years of 39% 3pt shooting before teaming with Nash).

 

[OldDirtMcGirt]

It's the Suns interior defense that needs improving imo. Artest is going to be able to defend TD or slow down Parker. Also his defense has taken a dive without JO behind him.

When he was first traded to the Kings Bibby and Wells were both better options scoring and last year Kevin Martin was their best scorer. Unlike Marion, Artest will try to force his scoring on a game at the expense of the team.

Also his career 3pt% is 32%, 36% is a career high. And while many guys see there 3pt% go up playing with Nash those players are spot up shooters which Artest is not(like Marion who had 2 years of 39% 3pt shooting before teaming with Nash).

Garnett and Sheed would be as good as an inside defensive duo as there is in the league.

I'm well aware of Artest sometimes forcing his shot (and settling for jumpers), but I think that we could incorporate him into our system.