Kieff being fined $10,000 by the NBA

[JCSunsfan]

For publicly demanding a trade.

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 15m15 minutes ago
NBA trade demands made directly to the team by a player or his agent, without a public statement, is NOT a violation of league rules
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 17m17 minutes ago
The NBA, remember, has been fining players for making trade demands public since the 2005-06 season. "Public" being the key distinction
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 21m21 minutes ago
ESPN sources say NBA is fining Suns F Markieff Morris a sum of $10,000 for publicly demanding a trade

This is good. It is good for Kieff to see that this is not just an issue between him and Suns mgmt. His behavior is unprofessional.

 

[elindholm]

Not to defend the player, but since when does the NBA levy fines for demanding a trade?

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not to defend the player, but since when does the NBA levy fines for demanding a trade?

Since 2006 apparently.

 

[Catlover]

Not to defend the player, but since when does the NBA levy fines for demanding a trade?

Since 2006 apparently.

It's been in place for a decade but it probably hasn't happened much. Most players have agents that keep them from making this kind of mistake. I don't know if Markieff has changed agents yet but with the story that Marcus left his agency, I doubt Markieff has been in close contact with CAA.

 

[Chaplin]

Not to defend the player, but since when does the NBA levy fines for demanding a trade?

When is the last time you remember an NBA player publicly demanding a trade? It simply doesn't happen in the NBA. Probably because of the rule.

 

[elindholm]

When is the last time you remember an NBA player publicly demanding a trade? It simply doesn't happen in the NBA.

That's splitting the hair pretty thin. We very often hear about a player who has made it known through his agent that he's unhappy and wants out. I can't remember specific examples, but it happens a few times a season. I suppose that technically that's not a "public demand" since it gets leaked through an intermediary, but it's a shaky distinction on which to base the decision about assessing a fine or not.

 

[devilalum]

That's splitting the hair pretty thin. We very often hear about a player who has made it known through his agent that he's unhappy and wants out. I can't remember specific examples, but it happens a few times a season. I suppose that technically that's not a "public demand" since it gets leaked through an intermediary, but it's a shaky distinction on which to base the decision about assessing a fine or not.

Leaking to the press that you want to be traded and posting it on your Twitter are two different animals.

 

[Chaplin]

Leaking to the press that you want to be traded and posting it on your Twitter are two different animals.

Exactly. It's pretty clear that Markieff doesn't know what he's doing. Apparently his agent doesn't either.

 

[SunsTzu]

Exactly. It's pretty clear that Markieff doesn't know what he's doing. Apparently his agent doesn't either.

Seems more likely that he just isn't listening to his agent.

 

[FArting]

This was his reaction. He deleted it later.

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[Iceman]

Seriously can't stand him. Sure hope they find a way to ship him out of here

 

[FArting]

FYI the first player to receive such a fine was Metta World Peace aka Ron Artest

Since the 2005-06 season, public trade demands have been deemed by the league to be "statements detrimental to the NBA" and thus subject to fines. The first player to receive such a fine was Metta World Peace, then known as Ron Artest, for publicly requesting a trade from the Indiana Pacers.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...-phoenix-suns-fined-10000-league-trade-demand

 

[FArting]

Seriously grow up guys Trade him to another team please

 

[Ronin]

Seriously can't stand him. Sure hope they find a way to ship him out of here

+1

 

[BC867]

Seriously can't stand him. Sure hope they find a way to ship him out of here

But because of his antics, what team would want him?

Kieff's behavior, both NBA and legal, has reduced (or eliminated) his trade value.

And the Suns front office shares the blame for giving him the feeling of extra power by bringing in his twin/roommate/contract partner to compound the issue.

Unprofessional all around.

 

[Mainstreet]

This fine by the NBA gave the fans some Suns news today.

Might Markieff be making a point by retweeting the press release that announced his own fine? Anyway, who knows.

See the article by Andrew Joseph at azcentral dated 9-8-15 for more.

Strangely enough, Markieff retweeted the press release that announced his own fine.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...markieff-morris-after-trade-demands/71885174/

 

[Mainstreet]

But because of his antics, what team would want him?

Kieff's behavior, both NBA and legal, has reduced (or eliminated) his trade value.

And the Suns front office shares the blame for giving him the feeling of extra power by bringing in his twin/roommate/contract partner to compound the issue.

Unprofessional all around.

It reminds me more of the saying, "No good deed goes unpunished."

I do not see where the Suns did anything unprofessional.

 

[Iceman]

But because of his antics, what team would want him?

Kieff's behavior, both NBA and legal, has reduced (or eliminated) his trade value.

And the Suns front office shares the blame for giving him the feeling of extra power by bringing in his twin/roommate/contract partner to compound the issue.

Unprofessional all around.

I agree with you. The Suns allowing him and his brother deciding who gets what of the allowed contract $ isn't the best business decision. Him acting like baby isn't helping is cause.

 

[JCSunsfan]

But because of his antics, what team would want him?

Kieff's behavior, both NBA and legal, has reduced (or eliminated) his trade value.

And the Suns front office shares the blame for giving him the feeling of extra power by bringing in his twin/roommate/contract partner to compound the issue.

Unprofessional all around.

Unfair criticism based upon hindsight. No one believed this would be the result. When Marcus came here, it was considered just a flyer for a second rounder, a blip on the radar. The twin thing was just an incidental novelty. No one here predicted anything close to this, including you, BC.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/suns-getting-marcus-morris-191732.html

Why is it that in every situation someone has to find more people to blame that the obvious idiots who actually are to blame?

 

[Catlover]

Unfair criticism based upon hindsight. No one believed this would be the result. When Marcus came here, it was considered just a flyer for a second rounder, a blip on the radar. The twin thing was just an incidental novelty. No one here predicted anything close to this, including you, BC.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/suns-getting-marcus-morris-191732.html

Why is it that in every situation someone has to find more people to blame that the obvious idiots who actually are to blame?

I'm not sure that's accurate. There were a few people that predicted doom and gloom by putting the two together and BC### was one of them. He may not have predicted this exact outcome but it was close enough IMO.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Link?

 

[BC867]

Unfair criticism based upon hindsight. No one believed this would be the result. When Marcus came here, it was considered just a flyer for a second rounder, a blip on the radar. The twin thing was just an incidental novelty. No one here predicted anything close to this, including you, BC.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f7/suns-getting-marcus-morris-191732.html

Why is it that in every situation someone has to find more people to blame that the obvious idiots who actually are to blame?

Because life is more complex than just the obvious.

I believe that the Suns obsession with brothers adds to our perception around the country as a gimmick team, i.e. 2- and 3-tweener/Point Guard starting lineups or Centers weighing under 215 lbs. or benching starting Centers in the 4th quarter and moving multi players up to heavier positions.

Are sideshows the paths to championships? In the history of our Suns, the answer is no.

 

[elindholm]

I don't remember predicting any specific shenanigans by the twins as a pair, but I've said consistently that Marcus didn't bring anything of value to the table and that he was as likely to be a negative as a positive.

 

[Mainstreet]

When the Suns obtained Marcus Morris from Houston in 2012-13 (for essentially a second round pick), I thought he was a good addition. In no way I viewed it as a stunt. I thought he had some legitimate upside at the time. Also Marcus was selected 14th in the 2011 NBA draft, right after his his brother, Markieff. It's not like Marcus didn't have potential.

 

[BC867]

When the Suns obtained Marcus Morris from Houston in 2012-13 (for essentially a second round pick), I thought he was a good addition. In no way I viewed it as a stunt. I thought he had some legitimate upside at the time. Also Marcus was selected 14th in the 2011 NBA draft, right after his his brother, Markieff. It's not like Marcus didn't have potential.

When twin brothers negotiate their contract together, it gives both of them more leverage compared to each of the other players on the roster. It is more than a clique.

If one is pissed, they're both pissed. Whether it is playing time, role played, etc. Strength in numbers.

Especially if they are closer in skill level than the big divide of the VanArsdale brothers or Majerle brothers or Dragic brothers, where the lesser brothers were clearly not going to be in the rotation if they made the team.

It puts extra pressure on the Coach. Politics should not enter the equation of who plays and when. Whether in business or in sports, it is just not a healthy arrangement.

The D-backs front office should have anticipated the potential for trouble and bad publicity that we are seeing.