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So Whiz will not change his pass like your hair is on fire offense to meet Matts skill set,

Hence Matt don't fit on this Cards team.

I disagree but i get it better after that last read on the site.

I would feel better if the offense was better in any other area, WR with Fitz may be lousy with DA or most NFL QB's.

Prepare for the worse ,hope for the best I guess. I think should bend our offense to fit Matt but way out bounds on the board and the fan base.
 

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So Whiz will not change his pass like your hair is on fire offense to meet Matts skill set,

Hence Matt don't fit on this Cards team.

I disagree but i get it better after that last read on the site.

I would feel better if the offense was better in any other area, WR with Fitz may be lousy with DA or most NFL QB's.

Prepare for the worse ,hope for the best I guess. I think should bend our offense to fit Matt but way out bounds on the board and the fan base.
I see a lot more Int's this year with Andreson but I also think we will see MANY more big plays from the o than we saw last season. I guess we will see which one outways the other.
 

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I see a lot more Int's this year with Andreson but I also think we will see MANY more big plays from the o than we saw last season. I guess we will see which one outways the other.

If the D has improved llike I think it has, a good number of the ints. will be negated-----meanwhile, the O scores more often than we would have projected with Matt at QB
 

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If the D has improved llike I think it has, a good number of the ints. will be negated-----meanwhile, the O scores more often than we would have projected with Matt at QB
I agree with you . Matt can move the O but not like Anderson can, He chews big plays and there is no doubt about that. I can't belive how much faster the D looks this year.
 

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That is one upside to DA is he will throw the ball down field and he has more weapons around him than he ever had by far but i just look back at his game logs and that guy threw so many picks and had so many incompletions even in 07 that i just cant like this guy...
 

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If Anderson has time to throw, I'm hoping for the best. When he is comfortable and confident, he is the man. Hopefully the coaching staffs (Wiz) choice to make him starter will give him that arm that we need.
 

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That is one upside to DA is he will throw the ball down field and he has more weapons around him than he ever had by far but i just look back at his game logs and that guy threw so many picks and had so many incompletions even in 07 that i just cant like this guy...
I am willing to give him a chance and hope a change of scenery will help a bit. I don't by any strech think he will be great but I belive he will score more points than M.L. will. I do think he will have more turnovers than M.L. would have also.
 

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I am willing to give him a chance and hope a change of scenery will help a bit. I don't by any strech think he will be great but I belive he will score more points than M.L. will. I do think he will have more turnovers than M.L. would have also.

I think they coulda set up Matt like they did Ben (when he first started) with the steelers. The Steelers just didn't want Ben to turn the ball over. They also had a run game, and a good O line @ the time. We one the other hand have a plethora of hands that can run down field and make the catch. I think Wiz needs the threat of going deep to open the run game, someting ML (I am one of his biggest fans) wasn't accompilsing.
 
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Matt Leinart will move us into position to punt. Anderson will move us into position to score. I'm always more a fan of high risk / high reward at the QB position. That's what Warner was. He always had that one game a year that was just devastating with turnovers (think the 7 turnover day against the Jets 2 years ago), but he'd be just awesome most of the time.

Now Anderson is nowhere near the talent level of Warner, but the same philosophy applies. Go with the gun that can fire killshots, not the one that just wounds.
 

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Let's all agree on one thing. Whiz knows what the hell he's doing even if we don't.

The one thing Whiz has going for him on this decision is no matter how Anderson does, there is no sure fire evidence that Leinart would have done any better.

After all that, I'm am really excited about Hall. I know and get the whole "he's playing against vanilla defense's" and stuff like that, but he moves well, he throws a nice ball and he is accurate. I don't care who he is playing against, when you have an open receiver and you hit him on the numbers it tells me something.
 

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That is one upside to DA is he will throw the ball down field and he has more weapons around him than he ever had by far but i just look back at his game logs and that guy threw so many picks and had so many incompletions even in 07 that i just cant like this guy...

If Graham ever goes down, we can use DA for a punter. Just throw a deep ball and have them intercept it...good as a punt

:D
 

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Matt Leinart will move us into position to punt. Anderson will move us into position to score. I'm always more a fan of high risk / high reward at the QB position. That's what Warner was. He always had that one game a year that was just devastating with turnovers (think the 7 turnover day against the Jets 2 years ago), but he'd be just awesome most of the time.

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difference being that Warner was also incredibly accurate, with 6 seasons of over 65% completions. Anderson's highest comp% was 56%.
 

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After four years we still haven't developed a line that can consistently run block (yes, we're looking at you Mr. Grimm). If we can't run we need to pass, hence the choice in QB.

You only have to watch Hightower or Wells run into a teammate's 360 pound butt so many times to fully appreciate this concept.

IMHO, this isn't about a personality conflict, or Whiz being snubbed by a limo-lovin' Leinart or any other psychological Dr. Phil bull-puckey - its about working with the Cards you are dealt. This season, the Cards the FO has dealt us are strong on skill players and weak on o-linemen, especially of the run-stuffing variety, so we need a Warner, or in this case a "Warner-lite" to lead us.

Matt's skill set runs counter to what this team needs to be successful, so he sits. Sucks for him, but if he's going to be mad at anyone, it should be directed at a scouting staff that's awesome at finding wide receivers and defensive tackles, but falls on its collective face when its time for choosing an offensive lineman.

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After four years we still haven't developed a line that can consistently run block (yes, we're looking at you Mr. Grimm). If we can't run we need to pass, hence the choice in QB.

You only have to watch Hightower or Wells run into a teammate's 360 pound butt so many times to fully appreciate this concept.

IMHO, this isn't about a personality conflict, or Whiz being snubbed by a limo-lovin' Leinart or any other psychological Dr. Phil bull-puckey - its about working with the Cards you are dealt. This season, the Cards the FO has dealt us are strong on skill players and weak on o-linemen, especially of the run-stuffing variety, so we need a Warner, or in this case a "Warner-lite" to lead us.

Matt's skill set runs counter to what this team needs to be successful, so he sits. Sucks for him, but if he's going to be mad at anyone, it should be directed at a scouting staff that's awesome at finding wide receivers and defensive tackles, but falls on its collective face when its time for choosing an offensive lineman.
JTS

Come on, man...Levi Brown will still be anchoring this line for a decade...errr, maybe the anchor will sink the ship.
 

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After four years we still haven't developed a line that can consistently run block (yes, we're looking at you Mr. Grimm). If we can't run we need to pass, hence the choice in QB.

You only have to watch Hightower or Wells run into a teammate's 360 pound butt so many times to fully appreciate this concept.

JTS

I disagree. This team ran the ball quite well last season, when they attempted to do it. This team was a pass first, run second offense. Now, only 1 constant from that Oline exists, Lyle Sendlein. Starting new peeps at 4 of the 5 positions is the main issue & will take some time, let's just hope it doesn't take 8 games. The talent to run the rock is there, let's give it time.
 

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I agree with you . Matt can move the O but not like Anderson can, He chews big plays and there is no doubt about that. I can't belive how much faster the D looks this year.

Anderson's strength is that he can create the big play & we can score quickly. He'll fail miserably, if we expect him to "move the ball" on long, sustained drives. 14 play drives under Anderson just won't happen. He'll miss on too many 3rd & 4's to sustain drives. If Leinart finds his groove, he would much better sustaining drives. What offense does Whiz like.............obviously the quick strike one.
 

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Also, keep in mind, that a quick strike offense will work against our defense. They won't get their proper rest. Bottomline, Anderson will be a double-edged sword. With my heart condition, I won't be watching many Cardinal games this year. At least not live.
 

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Neither is a complete QB and, based on their preseason performance, making either one the starter isn't any sort of end-all.

Those of you who say that "Anderson can move the offense" are overstating the case. He didn't consistently do so in preseason - certainly nowhere near as well as Warner the past 2 seasons (conceding that Derek was operating under "vanilla" circumstances). And I don't recall him being all that thrilling in the red zone.

Same deal with Leinart (though for different reasons).

I am uncomfortable not knowing either QB's cabability for (a) coming from behind, (b) scoring in the red zone,(c) protecting a lead, (d) escaping the rush, (e) improvising when things break down and (f) throwing on the move.

For this and other reasons, I'd feel better if we covered our bets - by keeping Leinart on board as our #2 backup (at least until we can sign another veteran like Batch if and when he becomes available).

(Note - I love Hall, but am wary about throwing him to the wolves as #2 should Anderson go down and he be forced to start. He needs a little more time to know all the ins and outs of the playbook and QBing an NFL team).
 

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I disagree. This team ran the ball quite well last season, when they attempted to do it. This team was a pass first, run second offense. Now, only 1 constant from that Oline exists, Lyle Sendlein. Starting new peeps at 4 of the 5 positions is the main issue & will take some time, let's just hope it doesn't take 8 games. The talent to run the rock is there, let's give it time.

I see your point, but I'm really discussing this pre-season's performance. From what I've observed this year so far, our first unit would almost always run on first down and consistently only gain a yard or two at best, then the pressure was on the QB to get a big chunk of yards on 2nd and 3rd or we punt. If we were getting 4 to 6 yards, even 30-40% of the time on that 1st down run, or at least could throw out the possibility that we could - we would be in a totally different position, but we aren't.

I guess we'll see, but at least to me, all the discussions about QB's are moot until the line issue is resolved.

JTS
 

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We're going to be pulling guards like a mother.....

We look to be good at it. I wouldn't be surprised if this added 500 yards to our total when compared to last year.

Our run schemes have been fairly vanilla. You 'hadnot' better be in the way when this guard is pulling. Faneca should do better as well, and I did see him on the 2nd level a time or two. We all know Lutui can do it.

I expect us to be a guard pulling machine this year. I'm still excited about our much improved run game. (we just haven't seen much of it). It might not show up as much as we like to of course, but I believe it will show up and be noticed. Seeing how well our guards are pulling gives me hope. We have 3 guys on this team that can pull, two of them are very good, the other one, still might be. Best pulling trio in the league? I'm not one to judge that, but I am hard pressed to find a team that has that.

Seeing some of our ol guys having rough starts last year and still finishing as one of the best run blocking cardinal teams in at least Arizona history, I feel we'll be fine.

We couldn't change our offense to ML, because we can't run the ball 0-3 yards and throw 5 yard passes and be successful. NO offense can do that and even be 6-10.

Our run game is going to be beastly this year. I'm not concerned about preseason with vanilla calls and ML in. I DO believe ML was a major part of our run game troubles. It's also tough when you consider our rb's were going up against fresh players throughout the game. That significantly changes once the season begins.

The OL has got to also play better at pass blocking, which is where I feel most of our trouble has been. But again, was that ML problem as well? Hall had few problems, Skelton, and Anderson as well. It was ML who had the most. (check downs, weak arm - yes, and lack of changing things at the line had a lot to do with it. But even then, ML wouldn't have 100 percent charged defenders working against him 60 minutes a game, so I believe that problem is a little overblown.

Should we worry about our run game. Yes/no. Yes that it might fail. But NO because it probably won't. We've got stud running backs, some studly ol-men, and a great ol coach. Plus with ML not starting, every pass going forward will have an extra time cushion in it, allowing the line a couple of tenths extra. In other words, without ML at QB, our ol has more leeway to screw up and not destroy the play.

I do think we'll run more than in the past. I also think we'll keep the quick strike. But overall our drives should consume more time averaged out than in previous years. Our improved run game will do it.

I seriously can't wait to see our run game blow up. Hightower has taken another step this year. Wells is ready to explode. Throw in more, better pulling guards, and no kurt warner, and I think we achieve that.

I would not be surprised to see DA get CPOY award (comeback player). 3td/10int to a very possible 25/17 might get it done. That said, I somehow think DA has a chance to do better than that, or less of a chance, possibly worse.

It's going to be good either way. If we keep 4 qb's, it's for injury reasons. Have ML in case one of our qb's get's injured, on the way to trading him when someone else's qb goes down. If ML isn't cut or traded today, I think he's traded during the season for some team's injury replacement (starter or backing up the backup).
 
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