Kings @ Suns 12-13-13

[sunsfan88]

It's not a knock on Dragic. I am glad he is not a selfish player, but I get annoyed at how much he yields to Bledsoe at times. 2nd half, especially the fourth quarter was a great example of that. This is his team- he needs to act accordingly.

See, that's where your team. This isn't just Dragic's team. This is both Dragic AND Bledsoe's team now.

 

[sunsfan88]

I will say this: If the Suns had a better starter at PF, this team would be an automatic lock to make playoffs and would win at least one series.

Frye is the weak link on this squad.

 

[sunsfan88]

It's hard to contribute in 15-20 minutes. Plumlee has been spending 4th quarters on the bench in favor of Frye and or one of the Morris brothers. When he gets minutes, he produces.

He was on the bench because he was a liability defensively. He wasn't protecting the rim at all in the past two weeks. Opponents were driving to the rim and scoring in the paint like its nothing when Plumlee was in the game.

 

[82CardsGrad]

It's not a knock on Dragic. I am glad he is not a selfish player, but I get annoyed at how much he yields to Bledsoe at times. 2nd half, especially the fourth quarter was a great example of that. This is his team- he needs to act accordingly.

He's "acting" exactly how he's being told to act by Hornacek. Seems to be working pretty well...


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[Suns_fan69]

Even this was a game the Suns should have won, it was still a 'good' win in that there were several good developments. In no particular order:

-First game where Bledsoe and Dragic played extremely well with each other. And I mean beyond just the stats, they started to look like they were gelling and finding each other in good positions to score. Their on-court chemistry is building, and I was glad to see them pumped after one of their big runs, doing chest bumps together. I'm still skeptical whether they can work out long term effectively, especially against teams with bigger 2's, but definitely a step in the right direction.
-Plumlee finally gets a chance to play in the 4th, and produces. Couple key blocks, hard dives at the rim, offensive rebounds. Great game by him tonight.
-Green slowly turning it around, even when he's not shooting a ton. I thought he made great decisions with the ball against the defense. Found Dragic in the corner wide open at least twice for huge 3 pt scores. I was expecting him to jack a mid range pullup, as he's oft to do, but very pleasantly surprised by his court awareness.
-Less one on one isos. Bledsoe probably runs the most on the team but there was less of that against Sac. Assist numbers are creeping up!

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Even this was a game the Suns should have won, it was still a 'good' win in that there were several good developments. In no particular order:

-First game where Bledsoe and Dragic played extremely well with each other. And I mean beyond just the stats, they started to look like they were gelling and finding each other in good positions to score. Their on-court chemistry is building, and I was glad to see them pumped after one of their big runs, doing chest bumps together. I'm still skeptical whether they can work out long term effectively, especially against teams with bigger 2's, but definitely a step in the right direction.
-Plumlee finally gets a chance to play in the 4th, and produces. Couple key blocks, hard dives at the rim, offensive rebounds. Great game by him tonight.
-Green slowly turning it around, even when he's not shooting a ton. I thought he made great decisions with the ball against the defense. Found Dragic in the corner wide open at least twice for huge 3 pt scores. I was expecting him to jack a mid range pullup, as he's oft to do, but very pleasantly surprised by his court awareness.
-Less one on one isos. Bledsoe probably runs the most on the team but there was less of that against Sac. Assist numbers are creeping up!

The thing about playing against bigger 2s is that those bigger 2s are also stuck trying to guard one of them. As long as you are creating a mismatch on one end you can afford to have a mismatch on the other end. Also there are some situations where PJ can guard the sg and Dragic can cover the SF if the SF isn't all that good offensively.

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[Mainstreet]

He was on the bench because he was a liability defensively. He wasn't protecting the rim at all in the past two weeks. Opponents were driving to the rim and scoring in the paint like its nothing when Plumlee was in the game.

I get the opposite impression. IMO, the Suns interior defense suffers when he is out of the game. He alters a lot of shots.

 

[sunsfan88]

I get the opposite impression. IMO, the Suns interior defense suffers when he is out of the game. He alters a lot of shots.

He did at the start of the season but if you watched Plumlee close the past 2 weeks, he was getting owned. He would be no where to be found when players take turns driving to the hoop on us and even when he was there, he didn't a good job ex. Giving up and 1 to Meeks when Meeks and Plumlee went straight up.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Love the new Player tracking stuff at nba.com: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25

Miles' opponent FG% at the rim is 47.1%

For context, Hibbert is at 40.5%, A.Davis is at 41.8%, Robin Lopez is at 44.4%, Dwight is at 46.1%, Gortat is at 53.5%(!)

Interestingly, Miles is 4th at opponent FGA at the rim against him, while playing less minutes than 1-3 (Spencer Hawes, Gortat and Robin Lopez). This is probably a combination of he's a good rotational help defender and that opponents like to attack him.

 

[Mainstreet]

He did at the start of the season but if you watched Plumlee close the past 2 weeks, he was getting owned. He would be no where to be found when players take turns driving to the hoop on us and even when he was there, he didn't a good job ex. Giving up and 1 to Meeks when Meeks and Plumlee went straight up.

Tell that to DeMarcus Cousins last night.

Of course the Kings owned the Suns the previous two games. I think Plumlee has learned how to play Cousins better.

Also Plumlee is a work in progress and as he learns, he will only get better. There will be nights where he is better than other nights. If the Suns did not have Plumlee as their center, they would be in a world of hurts defensively.

 

[Superbone]

Suns off to a 10-2 lead.

Superbone, I hope you are getting the game.

So glad I was able to watch it. I watched the first half of the King's broadcast and the second half of the Sun's broadcast. I'm going to finish watching the King's broadcast today.

Some great action in this one. We started off gangbusters but quit playing defense in the first half. Then we came out strong defensively in the second half and never looked back. Sacramento never made a serious run after that.

The Plumblee chase down block on Cousins was fantastic! A lot of excitement in the building on this night. Four in a row, baby! Somebody forgot to tell this team they weren't supposed to win.

 

[Superbone]

-Green slowly turning it around, even when he's not shooting a ton. I thought he made great decisions with the ball against the defense. Found Dragic in the corner wide open at least twice for huge 3 pt scores. I was expecting him to jack a mid range pullup, as he's oft to do, but very pleasantly surprised by his court awareness.

He also ran some great plays with Plumblee. One in particular, he set a nice pick that ended in Miles alley-oop throwdown.

 

[Mainstreet]

So glad I was able to watch it. I watched the first half of the King's broadcast and the second half of the Sun's broadcast. I'm going to finish watching the King's broadcast today.

Some great action in this one. We started off gangbusters but quit playing defense in the first half. Then we came out strong defensively in the second half and never looked back. Sacramento never made a serious run after that.

The Plumblee chase down block on Cousins was fantastic! A lot of excitement in the building on this night. Four in a row, baby! Somebody forgot to tell this team they weren't supposed to win.

I'm glad you got to watch the game. It was an exciting game to see.

There was a time in the first half where I thought the Kings were going to run away with the game but the Suns regained their composure.

Plumlee really got cousins attention on that block you mention. Who would think the Suns would look this good at this point in the season.

 

[Suns_fan69]

He also ran some great plays with Plumblee. One in particular, he set a nice pick that ended in Miles alley-oop throwdown.

Yup, he also had one where he fed Plum for a throwdown, off another set play. I'm happy to see him doing these little things to help the team; it's what separates him from Shannon Brown, who basically was only helping when he's shooting lights out.

 

[Griffin]

Remarkable how similar Dragic's and Bledsoe's stats are for the season:

		PPG	APG	RPG	SPG	FGM	FGA	3FGM	3FGA	FT%	MPG
Dragic		19.0	6.2	3.1	1.0	6.6	13.3	1.3	3.6	79.8	34:57
Bledsoe		19.2	6.3	4.1	1.7	6.7	13.6	1.3	3.6	80.2	34:12

 

[Superbone]

Remarkable how similar Dragic's and Bledsoe's stats are for the season:

		PPG	APG	RPG	SPG	FGM	FGA	3FGM	3FGA	FT%	MPG
Dragic		19.0	6.2	3.1	1.0	6.6	13.3	1.3	3.6	79.8	34:57
Bledsoe		19.2	6.3	4.1	1.7	6.7	13.6	1.3	3.6	80.2	34:12

That's crazy, Griff!

 

[Errntknght]

Love the new Player tracking stuff at nba.com: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25

Miles' opponent FG% at the rim is 47.1%

For context, Hibbert is at 40.5%, A.Davis is at 41.8%, Robin Lopez is at 44.4%, Dwight is at 46.1%, Gortat is at 53.5%(!)

Interestingly, Miles is 4th at opponent FGA at the rim against him, while playing less minutes than 1-3 (Spencer Hawes, Gortat and Robin Lopez). This is probably a combination of he's a good rotational help defender and that opponents like to attack him.

Thanks for posting that link Suns_fan... I'd heard about it but hadn't discovered where the data was. What fun!

 

[Errntknght]

Love the new Player tracking stuff at nba.com: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25

Miles' opponent FG% at the rim is 47.1%

For context, Hibbert is at 40.5%, A.Davis is at 41.8%, Robin Lopez is at 44.4%, Dwight is at 46.1%, Gortat is at 53.5%(!)

Interestingly, Miles is 4th at opponent FGA at the rim against him, while playing less minutes than 1-3 (Spencer Hawes, Gortat and Robin Lopez). This is probably a combination of he's a good rotational help defender and that opponents like to attack him.

Thanks for posting that link Suns_fan... I'd heard about it but hadn't discovered where the data was. What fun!

 

[Errntknght]

I looked up Bledsoe's stats on protecting at the rim... he has five blocks and is scored on 31% of the time! Just below him was Goodwin who has seven blocks and is scored on 32% of the time. A small sample size for Archie but it does suggest that his work on defense is paying off. (BTW, he is second on the team in blocks per minute played. Yeah, blocks don't mean good defense but in his case most of his blocks are on the man he is guarding, indicating that he's not just madly chasing blocks and leaving his man.)

 

[sunsfan88]

Love the new Player tracking stuff at nba.com: http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25

Miles' opponent FG% at the rim is 47.1%

For context, Hibbert is at 40.5%, A.Davis is at 41.8%, Robin Lopez is at 44.4%, Dwight is at 46.1%, Gortat is at 53.5%(!)

Interestingly, Miles is 4th at opponent FGA at the rim against him, while playing less minutes than 1-3 (Spencer Hawes, Gortat and Robin Lopez). This is probably a combination of he's a good rotational help defender and that opponents like to attack him.

What's Plumlee's opponent FG % overall? He leaves his guys open a lot on the outside and they easily knock down open shots on him. Drove me crazy when he left Gasol wide open at the FT line at the end of a QTR against LAL with like just 2 seconds left.

And is the 47% including the 14 pts and 12 rebounds he gave up to scrub Kousta Koufos?