Kingsbury Concedes?

[Zalixar]

KK is such of an egomaniac that would have to be fired to give up calling plays.

All the big "K's" in the house are.

 

[kerouac9]

KK is such of an egomaniac that would have to be fired to give up calling plays.

You can justifiably accuse Kliff of a lot of stuff, but egomania is a hard one to justify.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Yeah Kliff’s not an egomaniac. He’s just not qualified for the job and never was. Not his fault Keim and Bidwill were dumb enough to hire him.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Who caught the Eagles game Sunday night? All of the network shots of Nick Sirianni, he was engaged, talking with his players, standing up for them, even yelling at the Cowboys players when they were being salty at the end of the game. Team emulates the head coach. Massive difference from Kliff standing there nervously shifting his weight from foot to foot scanning his play sheet. Show a tiny bit of confidence and passion, dude

 

[HomerPimpson]

I don't see how Kliff saying this instills confidence in anyone.

 

[overseascardfan]

Yeah, Kliff joked only a couple weeks ago somebody could be on his team when he is coaching division III in a few years.

One thing I will give Kliff is I think he is actually pretty self aware.

I think he knows he is not a NFL head coach. He is just waiting to get canned, collect his $25M and take an college OC job somewhere.

 

[PACardsFan]

In reality somebody would give him a good college football TV gig. Keeps his PV house, makes a half million a year, travels 12 weekends a year to college towns where he can clean up. Not such a bad gig after banking $50-60mm from Tech and the Cardinals.

TV gig for KK? That’s funny. Dude is monotone & boring. That would be punishing and painful for people to listen to.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Exactly. Kliff is a terrible game manager. So if he isn't calling plays what good is he???

Again I don't see any way that Kingsbury gives up the playcalling.

The entire reason the Cardinals made Kliff a HC was to protect him from being poached by another team. So why would they keep Kliff if he can't call plays.

It makes zero sense for Kliff to have an OC call the plays for him. If that OC is successful then another team will poach him for their HC job and the Cards are stuck with Kliff again. Should the Cardinals also add and Offensive Assistant for Kliff to manage the game for him because he sucks at that as well?

If Kliff can't figure out the offense then he just needs to go!

 

[PACardsFan]

Good coaches put their QB’s in a position to succeed. Look what Daboll did for Allen & has Jones/Giants at 5-1. So ask yourself if KK is doing that for Murray? For me, with every passing season, he’s taken more out of what made Murray special, and hasn’t added much at all. You could read the mistrust on Murray’s face almost from day 1. Adding Hop helped Murray a ton, but losing him for like 15 straight games has only renewed that distrust. And I can’t imagine Hop is going to just flip the switch after being off the field for as long as he has been. Murray loves back shoulder throws, and throwing them to Hop, with GREAT hands, will be much easier than throwing them to Brown, who’s 5’9”, and has average hands.

 

[kerouac9]

Who caught the Eagles game Sunday night? All of the network shots of Nick Sirianni, he was engaged, talking with his players, standing up for them, even yelling at the Cowboys players when they were being salty at the end of the game. Team emulates the head coach. Massive difference from Kliff standing there nervously shifting his weight from foot to foot scanning his play sheet. Show a tiny bit of confidence and passion, dude

Kliff has done this in the past. It's just hard to do when you're getting your brains beat in/your offense can't go anywhere.

 

[Totally_Red]

Good coaches put their QB’s in a position to succeed. Look what Daboll did for Allen & has Jones/Giants at 5-1. So ask yourself if KK is doing that for Murray? For me, with every passing season, he’s taken more out of what made Murray special, and hasn’t added much at all. You could read the mistrust on Murray’s face almost from day 1. Adding Hop helped Murray a ton, but losing him for like 15 straight games has only renewed that distrust. And I can’t imagine Hop is going to just flip the switch after being off the field for as long as he has been. Murray loves back shoulder throws, and throwing them to Hop, with GREAT hands, will be much easier than throwing them to Brown, who’s 5’9”, and has average hands.

I think the best route forward will be to eventually replace Kliff. Given his (Murray's) contract and talent you almost have to give another coach the opportunity to maximize his skill set.

I don't see Keim going anywhere unless he overimbides and pukes on Michael.

 

[jf-08]

Good coaches put their QB’s in a position to succeed. Look what Daboll did for Allen & has Jones/Giants at 5-1. So ask yourself if KK is doing that for Murray? For me, with every passing season, he’s taken more out of what made Murray special, and hasn’t added much at all. You could read the mistrust on Murray’s face almost from day 1. Adding Hop helped Murray a ton, but losing him for like 15 straight games has only renewed that distrust. And I can’t imagine Hop is going to just flip the switch after being off the field for as long as he has been. Murray loves back shoulder throws, and throwing them to Hop, with GREAT hands, will be much easier than throwing them to Brown, who’s 5’9”, and has average hands.

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[Chopper0080]

Good coaches put their QB’s in a position to succeed. Look what Daboll did for Allen & has Jones/Giants at 5-1. So ask yourself if KK is doing that for Murray? For me, with every passing season, he’s taken more out of what made Murray special, and hasn’t added much at all. You could read the mistrust on Murray’s face almost from day 1. Adding Hop helped Murray a ton, but losing him for like 15 straight games has only renewed that distrust. And I can’t imagine Hop is going to just flip the switch after being off the field for as long as he has been. Murray loves back shoulder throws, and throwing them to Hop, with GREAT hands, will be much easier than throwing them to Brown, who’s 5’9”, and has average hands.

There is a thread that just highlights Kyler making multiple poor decisions vs Seattle. Guys are open. Plays are there. Kyler is the one not doing what he needs to do.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Kliff has done this in the past. It's just hard to do when you're getting your brains beat in/your offense can't go anywhere.

The time I was the most hyped for Kliff was when he got into it with that loud mouthed CB in San Francisco. (Norman?).

I wish he did that often.

 

[Ronin]

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[blindseyed]

Kliff hasn't and will never be a great coach, not sure why people can't see that, it just is what it is

 

[BirdGangThing]

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Kingsbury gets bailed out by the Cardinal defense in the Thursday night game and we're just supposed to forget about the suckfest? The NFC West is wide open and we're going to stick with the suckfest?

Suckfest!

 

[PACardsFan]

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Kingsbury gets bailed out by the Cardinal defense in the Thursday night game and we're just supposed to forget about the suckfest? The NFC West is wide open and we're going to stick with the suckfest?

Suckfest!

The offense wasn’t great by any stretch, but they did score almost 30 points. With Hop back, he wasn’t about to step away now. Let’s see how the offense performs in the coming weeks. I still maintain that if Hop makes that much of a difference, then KK’s creativity is lacking a LOT.

 

[Zalixar]

The offense wasn’t great by any stretch, but they did score almost 30 points. With Hop back, he wasn’t about to step away now. Let’s see how the offense performs in the coming weeks. I still maintain that if Hop makes that much of a difference, then KK’s creativity is lacking a LOT.

Hop should make a huge difference, he's elite. Think Rams go through the playoffs without Kupp? No.

But also, as it's been pointed out before, offenses in general have struggled this year.

 

[PACardsFan]

Hop should make a huge difference, he's elite. Think Rams go through the playoffs without Kupp? No.

But also, as it's been pointed out before, offenses in general have struggled this year.

Can’t argue your point at all. if this team is so vastly different with and without Hop, what kind of a pickle are we going to be in at the end of the season when we have to pony up to keep Hop?

 

[TheCardFan]

Yeah Kliff’s not an egomaniac. He’s just not qualified for the job and never was. Not his fault Keim and Bidwill were dumb enough to hire him.

Yet he is 9th all time in wins (Cardinals) barely into his 4th year.
He should be top 7 by end of the year (with 1-2 less years coached vs the guys ahead of him).

And...he could be top 3 in wins by end of next year.

So dumb to hire him and he is certainly not qualified based on below and other NFL head coaching records we have seen around the league for years.

It's certainly a low bar with this franchise but c'mon man.

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[ASUCHRIS]

It's certainly a low bar with this franchise

He is a pretty tall midget!