Kiper rips Cutler...

[Cbus cardsfan]

Schlereth was ripping on Cutler as well. He asked what makes Cutler think he has the right to demand anything. Win a playoff game,or at least have a winning record before you go whining about management. He said McDaniels should tell Cutler to worry about doing his job and if the club thinks they can better themselves by trading him,they will.

 

[TheCardFan]

Well that would be simply because he is wrong. Leinart when he gets his chance will be a far better pro and leader than Cutler.

Didn't he already get his chance?

 

[Stout]

Schlereth was ripping on Cutler as well. He asked what makes Cutler think he has the right to demand anything. Win a playoff game,or at least have a winning record before you go whining about management. He said McDaniels should tell Cutler to worry about doing his job and if the club thinks they can better themselves by trading him,they will.

The question I have is when did the whining start, and why can't the coach be the bigger man right now? If Cutler started complaining before the trade speculation, he's wrong. Otherwise, I'd be upset too, and I think he has the right to call management out on it. Also, it was reported yesterday that McDaniels and Cutler had a phone call that was supposed to clear the air, and McDaniels kept insisting to Cutler that no player is untradeable. Okay, maybe that's your opinion, coach, but that isn't the way to try and mend fences with your QB. You've had problems, you still want him to be your QB, yet you tell him personally that he isn't all that important. What, you think he's going to buy you roses now?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The question I have is when did the whining start, and why can't the coach be the bigger man right now? If Cutler started complaining before the trade speculation, he's wrong. Otherwise, I'd be upset too, and I think he has the right to call management out on it. Also, it was reported yesterday that McDaniels and Cutler had a phone call that was supposed to clear the air, and McDaniels kept insisting to Cutler that no player is untradeable. Okay, maybe that's your opinion, coach, but that isn't the way to try and mend fences with your QB. You've had problems, you still want him to be your QB, yet you tell him personally that he isn't all that important. What, you think he's going to buy you roses now?

I think Cutler is being a baby and now is not sure whether he;ll show up for mandatory camp next week. Does he think he's the only player to have his name come up in trade discussions? And why does he think McDaniels has to mend fences with him. He's a paid employee to be the QB of the Broncos until told otherwise. It's not like he's earned some sense of entitlement. He's lucky McDaniels is a young, first time HC. Can you imagine if Parcells, Cowher, or a Belichick was running the show? Plus, the other guys on the team have to be shaking their head at how fragile Cutler's psyche is.

 

[Stout]

I think Cutler is being a baby and now is not sure whether he;ll show up for mandatory camp next week. Does he think he's the only player to have his name come up in trade discussions? And why does he think McDaniels has to mend fences with him. He's a paid employee to be the QB of the Broncos until told otherwise. It's not like he's earned some sense of entitlement. He's lucky McDaniels is a young, first time HC. Can you imagine if Parcells, Cowher, or a Belichick was running the show? Plus, the other guys on the team have to be shaking their head at how fragile Cutler's psyche is.

Sorry, but you don't treat your franchise QB like garbage. When he finds out you tried to get rid of him but now you supposedly want him, it isn't the best idea to give him a hard-line stance. I think McDaniels is trying to be that Belicheck type and establish himself as a hard ass, but I think he's really shooting himself in the foot here. Players probably wonder that, if this is how they treat the team leader, how are they going to be treated? I'm not saying Cutler is reacting properly, but I can completely understand his reaction.

 

[Shogun]

I'm with Stout on this one. You don't shake up the franchise player that is going to end up leading your team, then try to 'make amends' by dressing him down a second time and tell him that he's just another cog in the machine. You know what the Belicheck, Parcells and Cowhers of the world would have done with Cutler? Nothing, because they would have already acknowledged they are entering a situation with an above average QB at the helm already and deemed immediate change was unnecessary. Although he's so focused on bringing in this Belicheck-esque attitude, McDaniels NEEDS to be concerned about a defense that gave up over 30 points in nine games last season. No QB is going to be successful with a defense like that. Cutler is overreacting, but McDaniels is being childish. However, Mike Shannahan had a similar situation with Elway and Sharpe and they ended up being able to put things aside to win. FO will have to step in and settle things.

 

[CardsFan88]

The way Cutler reacted wasn't great, but his reaction was human.

Anybody would be upset with hearing that, especially when you're a QB, and young, big arm, etc. He isn't a 35 year old, 13 year vet.

These are the type of guys you keep on your team.

If their coach really reiterated that he was open to trading anyone, wow.

I'm sure if somehow he doesn't get traded (and it seems every evolution of this story makes it appear more likely he will be traded around or on draft day), he'll ask for the moon in contract extensions.

Anyone think Cutler will give them a hometown discount? Hell no.

He was showed early the 'business' side of football, and he'll do the same on his next contract.

That in of itself might be the difference in whether their new coach succeeds or fails. If in year 3-4 (not sure the length of Cutler's contract) instead of signing a pretty fair deal he wants top 3 QB money even if say he only make it to top 10, what are the Broncos going to do?

They could luck out and find a guy off the street or some QB drops in the draft, but odds are you won't. If in his 3-4 year he has to eat a bunch of cap space on Cutler going forward, it very well could impact the team.

Has there ever been a coach in the NFL that might have put the final nail in his coffin before even coaching one game, one preseason, one training camp, one mini-camp, or conducting one draft?

I'm not saying this will happen, but I can definitely see it happening. Without a doubt I see Cutler asking for the moon in his next contract.

 

[Zeno]

Didn't he already get his chance?

Uh, no 16 starts and then lost his job due to injury to an MVP candidate...nothing to be ashamed of. Not like inhereting a playoff caliber offense.

 

[Skkorpion]

Stout is way off here. Star QBs and QBOFs are often Prima Donnas who stage tantrums and sometimes get slapped down.

• Recently, it was Donovan McNabb being benched by his coach and is now biting back by making demands.
• Whisenhunt QBOF Matt Leinart was benched and didn't like it at all
• Joe Montana resented being benched by Bill Walsh in a bad playoff upset to Wade Wilson and the Vikings and threw a tantrum.
• Steve Young went off on George Seifort on the sidelines when he was yanked out of a game the 49ers lost to Houston.
• Stout -- Parcells? Thank you. He ripped, belittled and fought with his young QBOF Phil Simms unmercifully and publicly.

There are countless other examples out there.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think McDaniels, like alot of people, may not view Cutler as the franchise QB that some make him out to be and that's the sticking point. Cutler THINKS he's a franchise QB but hasn't done anything on the field to be considered a franchise QB. I wonder what the reaction would have been here if Leinart started acting like Cutler when Whiz named Warner as the starter last year. My guess is that he would've been roasted and deservedly so. Neither of them have proved to be anything but sub .500 QB's so far. They both have nice potential but i think they(Cutler) should shut up until they prove something. His QB ratings the last 3 games,when they only needed to win 1, were 74.3, 72.4, and 74.9. Not exactly the makings of a franchise QB in my book.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Stout is way off here. Star QBs and QBOFs are often Prima Donnas who stage tantrums and sometimes get slapped down.

• Recently, it was Donovan McNabb being benched by his coach and is now biting back by making demands.
• Whisenhunt QBOF Matt Leinart was benched and didn't like it at all
• Joe Montana resented being benched by Bill Walsh in a bad playoff upset to Wade Wilson and the Vikings and threw a tantrum.
• Steve Young went off on George Seifort on the sidelines when he was yanked out of a game the 49ers lost to Houston.
• Stout -- Parcells? Thank you. He ripped, belittled and fought with his young QBOF Phil Simms unmercifully and publicly.

There are countless other examples out there.

Leinart didn't like it but he didn't throw a tantrum either. He accepted and vowed to get better.

 

[Zeno]

His QB ratings the last 3 games,when they only needed to win 1, were 74.3, 72.4, and 74.9. Not exactly the makings of a franchise QB in my book.

Yeah, I remember one of the shows NFL Live or NFL Network or something having an argument on who was least dependable in the clutch...Cutler or Romo.

 

[DoTheDew]

I think both Cassel and Cutler are going to be average NFL QBs who never win a SB or even make it to the SB. Cassel got to throw to one of the best WR cores in the league in a very QB friendly system. Cutler is on a team that has been feared for its running game for 20 years and he has done nothing but miss the playoffs, whine, and play inconsistently.

We'll see how Cassel looks now that he has no one to throw to. I hope for Haley's sake that I am wrong about him.

As for Cutler, I think he is a good guy, but I just don't think he has "it"

 

[DoTheDew]

Stout is way off here. Star QBs and QBOFs are often Prima Donnas who stage tantrums and sometimes get slapped down.

• Recently, it was Donovan McNabb being benched by his coach and is now biting back by making demands.
• Whisenhunt QBOF Matt Leinart was benched and didn't like it at all
• Joe Montana resented being benched by Bill Walsh in a bad playoff upset to Wade Wilson and the Vikings and threw a tantrum.
• Steve Young went off on George Seifort on the sidelines when he was yanked out of a game the 49ers lost to Houston.
• Stout -- Parcells? Thank you. He ripped, belittled and fought with his young QBOF Phil Simms unmercifully and publicly.

There are countless other examples out there.

I think that is more a testament to how much focus the media gives to QBs relative to other positions. Honestly, if a teams center and QB both are whining about their contract, 99 times out of 100 the media is going to spend much more time focusing on the QB then the C. This just makes the QB look like a much bigger prima dona than he may be.

Many on here thought Warner was being a Prima Dona 2 weeks ago, and he is Kurt freakin Warner, one of the nicest guys in the NFL.

 

[Unsterblich856]

I think both Cassel and Cutler are going to be average NFL QBs who never win a SB or even make it to the SB. Cassel got to throw to one of the best WR cores in the league in a very QB friendly system. Cutler is on a team that has been feared for its running game for 20 years and he has done nothing but miss the playoffs, whine, and play inconsistently.

We'll see how Cassel looks now that he has no one to throw to. I hope for Haley's sake that I am wrong about him.

As for Cutler, I think he is a good guy, but I just don't think he has "it"

Tony Gonzales isn't exactly nobody, and Dwayne Bowe isn't all that bad.

 

[DoTheDew]

Tony Gonzales isn't exactly nobody, and Brodie Croyle isn't all that bad.

Brodie Croyle is a QB. Are you saying he is going to fight Cassel for the starting job?

 

[Pariah]

We'll see how Cassel looks now that he has no one to throw to.

It's not the Patriots, but Dwayne Bowe is a bonefide stud and Mark Bradley isn't bad. Also, as previously mentioned, there's always Tony G. If I'm a Chiefs fan, I feel pretty good about the starting pass catchers and pray like hell that they add a day-1 WR and grab a decent vet that gets cut in August.

JMHO

 

[Savage58]

I'm with Cutler, if you treat the starting QB, the leader of the team like this, you deserve all the rocky waters you get. If McDaniels expected anything else, he's an idiot. I applaud Cutler for calling him(and the Broncos) out on this, and if they patch it up between them, they will be stronger for it. Calling him a whiner etc. is pretty easy behind a keyboard, when you are mistreated, you retaliate, so you're a whiner; BS on that.

He's an above avg QB, with alot of potential stil. Denver's defense and team were garbage the last 2 years. An aged Rod Smith and a head case in Marshall(Mr. Suspension) to throw to, a defense(the reason they suck) that gives up touchdowns like it's cool and you want him to have a winning record, right Mel.

 

[Skkorpion]

It's not the Patriots, but Dwayne Bowe is a bonefide stud and Mark Bradley isn't bad. Also, as previously mentioned, there's always Tony G. If I'm a Chiefs fan, I feel pretty good about the starting pass catchers and pray like hell that they add a day-1 WR and grab a decent vet that gets cut in August.

JMHO

We agree and there are two RBs including Jamaal Charles? (the kid from Texas they drafted last year) to give the Chiefs a balanced attack.

 

[Zeno]

I'm with Cutler, if you treat the starting QB, the leader of the team like this, you deserve all the rocky waters you get. If McDaniels expected anything else, he's an idiot. I applaud Cutler for calling him(and the Broncos) out on this, and if they patch it up between them, they will be stronger for it. Calling him a whiner etc. is pretty easy behind a keyboard, when you are mistreated, you retaliate, so you're a whiner; BS on that.

He's an above avg QB, with alot of potential stil. Denver's defense and team were garbage the last 2 years. An aged Rod Smith and a head case in Marshall(Mr. Suspension) to throw to, a defense(the reason they suck) that gives up touchdowns like it's cool and you want him to have a winning record, right Mel.

Rod Smith retired last summer. It not like the Broncos had no WRs, Cutler still had 2 90+ catch WRs. Cutler is going to put up big numbers a lot except for when they need him to win a game(sort of like Jeff George)...he is the antithesis of clutch.

 

[Savage58]

When you're behind over 70% of the time, you're going to throw the pigskin around quite a bit, so having 2 90 reception WRs ain't to hard in the Arena league that we play in nowadays, atleast imho.

I just get a giggle out of the bloggers/media saying it's on him for not winning a playoff game, that doesn't take into account the rest of the team. I like "Stink" but that was a stupid quote of his on espn, but then again he bleeds Orange and Blue, I expected something like this from him.

Denver is signing free agents like crazy(some are really good ones, Goodman), if they can get some chemistry going and buy into the new coaches philosophy, I think they will push for a wildcard atleast this season.

 

[Unsterblich856]

Brodie Croyle is a QB. Are you saying he is going to fight Cassel for the starting job?

D'oh, meant Dwayne Bowe. Don't know how I messed that one up.

 

[Savage58]

Rod Smith retired last summer.

I know when Rod retired, I said the past 2 years, as the media is blaming it all on Cutler for their woes, kinda stupid if you ask me, but then what else what I expect from the Media.

I'd like to see Cutler traded to the Jets and knock the Broncos out of the playoffs 2 or 3 years in a row, that'd be some nice crow for lil Josh.