Kiper's New 4 Round Mock

[dreamcastrocks]

Just to expand on that idea. I dont care if a RB is fast, a pounder, jack of all trades, what ever. Can he get me 4-5 yards a carry consistently and pass block. Thats all we need in this passing attack. We dont need a compliment to Hightower, we need a guy that can get yards consistently anyway he can.

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[Goldfield]

Just to expand on that idea. I dont care if a RB is fast, a pounder, jack of all trades, what ever. Can he get me 4-5 yards a carry consistently and pass block. Thats all we need in this passing attack. We dont need a compliment to Hightower, we need a guy that can get yards consistently anyway he can.

I agree with you 100%. I want speed at every position. But I love this guys style. I think Greene fits the mold you mention about pass blocking and consistent yards. He was the second leading rushed last year.

Here is an Analysis from the NFL Combine on Greene:

Analysis

Stout frame with good overall musculature, but especially in his lower body. Good initial quickness off the snap. Downhill runner who attacks the line of scrimmage. Quick to recognize the hole and takes what the defense gives him. Rare flexibility and use of leverage for a back of his size. Runs with a very low pad level, giving defenders little to hit between his knees and shoulder pads, which is one of the reasons why he bounces off of some many tackles. Very good leg drive to take defenders for extra yardage. Finishes his runs. Falls forward to gain additional yardage to end each attempt. Good vision for the cutback. Surprisingly quick feet to bounce laterally and accelerate into the open field. Stout pass blocker who will provide a pop to the rusher and gives a good effort. At least adequate hands for the reception. Despite his relatively advanced age, should have fresh legs due to only one season as the starter.



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His 40 time is his setback and knowshon moreno ran about the same time. 4.65/4.62

 

[Chris_Sanders]

USA Today has Greene as a terrible blocker and most likely to be a bust. I don't like one year wonders so I agree.

 

[vinnymac]

I like Green. He is not like Arrington one year wonder. Arrington had massive holes due to not so good competition beside USC. Greene takes on defenders & still produces. I would take a chance on this kid if he is there for the Cardinals in the 2nd round.

 

[Zeno]

Again I didn't see Greene play this year so I am just going by numbers and what I read in draft pubs and web sites...I see these listed as his negatives, "not particularly well rounded." "considering his academic troubles he might struggle to digest an NFL playbook" "lacks the speed to consistently get to the outside" "lacks finishing speed and can be tracked down from behind. Not explosive. Not as physical as would be expected...Not decisive. has marginal lateral quickness. Lacks coordination...Struggles to adjust to thrown ball...Needs to improve pass protection"

He has a lot of positives like production, size, good inside runner etc but with some of those negatives I wonder if he is the right fit for the Cardinals offense. One pub listed him as one of the RBs taken in the first 2 rounds likely to be a bust. If we draft him I hope he fits in fine but I would worry about him more so than a bunch of other RBs.

To be honest the only RB I am confident won't be a bust is Moreno.

 

[binkar]

My concern is that I don't feel like Greene brings much more to the table than Edge did last year and thats why I want more speed and quickness at the position. While I would prefer a back who is more dangerous out of the backfield, I don't think that is a make or brake concern because Hightower is a capable receiving back. Edge did struggle at times getting yards after contact and I think Greene would be an improvement in that area.

I too would be more than happy with a running back who can consistently get 4-5 yards a pop. I guess I am just concerned because we have seen a lot of these "big backs" that were so successful in college come in and struggle to do anything in the NFL.

 

[Goldfield]

My concern is that I don't feel like Greene brings much more to the table than Edge did last year and thats why I want more speed and quickness at the position. While I would prefer a back who is more dangerous out of the backfield, I don't think that is a make or brake concern because Hightower is a capable receiving back. Edge did struggle at times getting yards after contact and I think Greene would be an improvement in that area.

I too would be more than happy with a running back who can consistently get 4-5 yards a pop. I guess I am just concerned because we have seen a lot of these "big backs" that were so successful in college come in and struggle to do anything in the NFL.

True about the big back thing.

I am not on the Greene band wagon because he is a "big" back I just watch him run the ball and I see a damn good RB...

 

[binkar]

True about the big back thing.

I am not on the Greene band wagon because he is a "big" back I just watch him run the ball and I see a damn good RB...

Good deal! Then I would be pumped to have a good big back who can pound out 4-5 yards a pop for us and help us eat the clock.

If Greene turns out to be the kind of player some think he will be then I think that is perfect for the Cardinals. Can you imagine how difficult the Cardinals would be to defend on 2nd and 5 or 2nd and 4? If you put anyone extra in the box then we can throw the ball on you all day and if you don't then we would run the ball down your throat. I would love to have a grind it out, pounding running game to go along with our dangerous passing attack.

 

[artp]

Are we talking about the bottom of the second rd? I forget. RB Greene would be a good pick there. Greene would be a ridiculous pick at #31.

 

[binkar]

Are we talking about the bottom of the second rd? I forget. RB Greene would be a good pick there. Greene would be a ridiculous pick at #31.

Yah we are talking about him at pick 63 as Kiper predicted we would in his latest mock.

 

[lauraw]

Mel doesn't have hair on his head it's a swedishmassage gel-u-sol hairpack made from 100% authentic yak *****.

 

[Shzm13]

Shonn Greene:

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Way too much OC talent in this draft to pass up any of the Top 5

 

[perivolaki]

Yah we are talking about him at pick 63 as Kiper predicted we would in his latest mock.

Let me throw another idea out there.

We have 8 draft picks in this years draft. There certainly aren't 8 spots for rookies on the 2009 team.

Do we package some picks to move up to get a guy we want?

If it ever made sense this would be the year. If they think Greene is their guy, and I heard him on the radio talking about his visit with the Cardinals, it may make sense to package some picks to move up to get the guy you want.

Like I said 8 rookies aren't making the squad this year. I could see only 3-5 guys ending up on the team so why not get the right 3-5 guys.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Let me throw another idea out there.

We have 8 draft picks in this years draft. There certainly aren't 8 spots for rookies on the 2009 team.

Do we package some picks to move up to get a guy we want?

If it ever made sense this would be the year. If they think Greene is their guy, and I heard him on the radio talking about his visit with the Cardinals, it may make sense to package some picks to move up to get the guy you want.

Like I said 8 rookies aren't making the squad this year. I could see only 3-5 guys ending up on the team so why not get the right 3-5 guys.

My view of things too.

This year may be ideal for a move up in the second round to get either a DE/OLB or RB, depending on our selection #31. Gladly give up a 4th or fifth, or flip our third for a relatively high fourth to get this done.

(Ex: English at #31... trade up in second round to select McCoy)

 

[binkar]

My view of things too.

This year may be ideal for a move up in the second round to get either a DE/OLB or RB, depending on our selection #31. Gladly give up a 4th or fifth, or flip our third for a relatively high fourth to get this done.

(Ex: English at #31... trade up in second round to select McCoy)

This is my preferred draft scenario. I would love to end up with McCoy in round 2. I think he has kind of been the forgotten man in this draft and will be a really good running back in this league regardless of how high or long he can jump.

 

[Krangodnzr]

McCoy's low vertical and broad jump numbers are very worrying. He lacks explosion according to those numbers. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

I'd trade up to get Moreno. He ran well against good defenses in the SEC, what more proof does anyone want?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

McCoy's low vertical and broad jump numbers are very worrying. He lacks explosion according to those numbers. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

I'd trade up to get Moreno. He ran well against good defenses in the SEC, what more proof does anyone want?

But, McCoy - was top notch in all the other drills, and caught the ball well.

 

[joeshmo]

Somers latest blog he talks about Kipers mock and says this, "I think if the draft breaks this way for the Cardinals they will be ecstatic"

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers

After thinking about it more I think I would to.

 

[Mitch]

Somers latest blog he talks about Kipers mock and says this, "I think if the draft breaks this way for the Cardinals they will be ecstatic"

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers

After thinking about it more I think I would to.

I am not enamored with Mel's selections: the only one I like is if Shonn Greene is available at #63. That pick I like.

I don't see Larry English being the pass rushing specialist the Cardinals need next year...and they had better get one or we will continue to see 4th quarter defensive meltdowns.

Down the road I think English will be a good solid player...but not right away.

Greene is tough...and will run hard. I have no doubt whatsoever about that.

Chase Coffman? We already have a more talented player at TE in Ben Patrick and we have far greater needs. If James Casey was available at #95, I would feel differently. This guy is remarkable.

Corvey Irvin...real risk. Was so inconsistent at Georgia...really had the coaches scrathing their heads there. IMO, Jason Banks is a better player and he's going to have to have a great camp to make the team.

Mel's doing what he always does...he's reaching on players that he perceives as needs. At least he sees a pass rusher at #31. But his picks are weak.

 

[Shogun]

Coffman is more talented than Patrick and better than Casey.

 

[Mitch]

Coffman is more talented than Patrick and better than Casey.

That is simply wrong, on both counts, and not even by a little.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

in the 3rd round, i would take either Casey or Coffman. Most likely, they'll both be gone though.Still, with Pope, Patrick, Becht, and Spach already on the roster, i wouldn't really look at TE until later. But Whiz said the TE is in need of an upgrade so you never know. Coffman's injury may make him available. Coffman may be the better TE right now, but Casey probably has more potential.

 

[Shogun]

You know what, let me edit that statement a bit.

Chase Coffman is more talented than Ben Patrick and while Coffman does not have the upside of Casey, he is the more polished TE.

 

[Mitch]

You know what, let me edit that statement a bit.

Chase Coffman is more talented than Ben Patrick and while Coffman does not have the upside of Casey, he is the more polished TE.

Coffman last year: 987/10.8 ypc/10 TDs

Casey last year: 1,329/12.0 ypc/13 TDs

Great stats for both of them. We might be splitting hairs here, although Casey is the better athlete, and has the best hands of any TE in this draft.

I still think Ben Patrick can be special though...which is why taking a TE this early with the defensive needs as high as they are is questionable.

 

[binkar]

Coffman last year: 987/10.8 ypc/10 TDs

Casey last year: 1,329/12.0 ypc/13 TDs

Great stats for both of them. We might be splitting hairs here, although Casey is the better athlete, and has the best hands of any TE in this draft.

I still think Ben Patrick can be special though...which is why taking a TE this early with the defensive needs as high as they are is questionable.

Casey also wasn't playing TE for the most part at Rice. He was playing receiver. So I would say Coffman indeed is the more polished TE at this point. That said, I would rather have Casey because I think he will end up having the better career.