Kiper's take on Cards

[az jam]

Not to draft a top notch rated player at #7 because he comes from a so called smaller school conference makes no sense. Gets the best player to help our team and let the scouts make the decision.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Not to draft a top notch rated player at #7 because he comes from a so called smaller school conference makes no sense. Gets the best player to help our team and let the scouts make the decision.

Scouts don't and shouldn't make decisions. They make suggestions.

 

[perivolaki]

I love Fisher think he moves great and can block just about anyone. He is easily the 2nd best tackle in the draft, behind Joekel of course. And he is probably tied for third on my Cardinals big board with Warmack. Fisher is a great talent

I agree 100%.

 

[MWOOD92]

Fisher prior to Lewan and Matthews opting out = Late 20's.
Now all of a sudden he's a top 10 pick? No thanks.

 

[CtCardinals78]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/91416/kiper-mock-2-0-cardinals-thoughts

Seems like 70% of forecasters have us taking Fisher. I just do not see that as our best choice. Yes he had a super Senior Bowl but that was one game. His history in college (small school) was not worthy of an NFL #7 pick.

I still think Warmack is the guy. The inside of the OLine is the problem and the coaching staff knows it.

 

[john h]

Extending that logic, Jerry Rice (Miss Valley St.) and Randy Moss (Marshall) should have been drafted later as should Phil Simms of Morehead State, Marcellus Wiley (Columbia), Aeneas Williams (Southern), Eric Swann (Nowhere U.) etc. etc.

And I'm pretty sure Shafer Suggs (Ball St.) did pretty well as a pro.

It's harder (& riskier) to draft small school players (because you have to isolate how they look on their own as athletes with little basis for comparison), but if you make this a hard and fast rule (including bypassing Fisher) you're going to pass up some very good dudes.

You make a good case with all those stars coming from small schools. What we do not see is all the guys who did not even play a down in the NFL from small schools.

My man Scotty Pippin could not even get an scholarship offer from Arkansas or any other major college. In his first two years at a small Arkansas College he grew around 8". That sort of helped his game and Michael Jordan's game also.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Extending that logic, Jerry Rice (Miss Valley St.) and Randy Moss (Marshall) should have been drafted later as should Phil Simms of Morehead State, Marcellus Wiley (Columbia), Aeneas Williams (Southern), Eric Swann (Nowhere U.) etc. etc.

And I'm pretty sure Shafer Suggs (Ball St.) did pretty well as a pro.

It's harder (& riskier) to draft small school players (because you have to isolate how they look on their own as athletes with little basis for comparison), but if you make this a hard and fast rule (including bypassing Fisher) you're going to pass up some very good dudes.

None of those guys, maybe Swann, were top 10 picks and only 4 were 1st rounders at all. Plus, those guys mentioned represent a very small, even minute, percentage of drafted players.

If Eric Fisher turns into the Randy Moss of LT's than I'll admit I was wrong about him and the Cards should have drafted him. I'll take my chances that's not the case though.

 

[Totally_Red]

None of those guys, maybe Swann, were top 10 picks and only 4 were 1st rounders at all. Plus, those guys mentioned represent a very small, even minute, percentage of drafted players.

If Eric Fisher turns into the Randy Moss of LT's than I'll admit I was wrong about him and the Cards should have drafted him. I'll take my chances that's not the case though.

I'd settle for a more athletic Joe Staley which is what he is.

 

[JeffGollin]

I'd settle for a more athletic Joe Staley which is what he is.

Unlike the old days - when the only info you'd get about a small college dude would be some tip you'd pick up in a Kiper or Ourlads guide - we're now privy to video footage of these guys in Al Star games, Senior Bowl practices, the Combine and misc. stuff on YouTube.

You actually get to see these dudes in action. I did. The Senior Bowl footage of Fisher was pretty impressive. As one pundit put it: "In drills, Fisher literally "owned" everyone he came up against."

We no longer have to base our judgments solely on rules of thumb - that tell you that you can't draft a small college lineman or an offensive guard high in the first round. I'd rather place greater weight on what I now can see with my own eyes.

 

[WildBB]

Unlike the old days - when the only info you'd get about a small college dude would be some tip you'd pick up in a Kiper or Ourlads guide - we're now privy to video footage of these guys in Al Star games, Senior Bowl practices, the Combine and misc. stuff on YouTube.

You actually get to see these dudes in action. I did. The Senior Bowl footage of Fisher was pretty impressive. As one pundit put it: "In drills, Fisher literally "owned" everyone he came up against."

We no longer have to base our judgments solely on rules of thumb - that tell you that you can't draft a small college lineman or an offensive guard high in the first round. I'd rather place greater weight on what I now can see with my own eyes.

While he won't make as great an impact right off the bat as Joekel and Warmack, he definitely has the tools to excell at the LT position at the next level.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Unlike the old days - when the only info you'd get about a small college dude would be some tip you'd pick up in a Kiper or Ourlads guide - we're now privy to video footage of these guys in Al Star games, Senior Bowl practices, the Combine and misc. stuff on YouTube.

You actually get to see these dudes in action. I did. The Senior Bowl footage of Fisher was pretty impressive. As one pundit put it: "In drills, Fisher literally "owned" everyone he came up against."

We no longer have to base our judgments solely on rules of thumb - that tell you that you can't draft a small college lineman or an offensive guard high in the first round. I'd rather place greater weight on what I now can see with my own eyes.

He still hasn't gone against anybody with top notch talent. Plus, the pundit said "in drills". That means about nothing in reality.

Joeckel went against top talent every week and handled all of them. I knocked Lewan about his play against top talent too. Other than a good half against Clowney, the type of rushers these OT will see in the NFL, Lewan was exposed when he faced top teams like Bama and OSU. At least he faced some top talent though.

Before I invest a top 10 pick on a guy, I want to at least see film on how he fares against legit NFL caliber players. There is no such film on Fisher so we'd be drafting a guy #7 overall based on 3 days of drills in Mobile, Alabama. Sorry, that's asking for trouble.

 

[GuernseyCard]

He still hasn't gone against anybody with top notch talent. Plus, the pundit said "in drills". That means about nothing in reality.

Joeckel went against top talent every week and handled all of them. I knocked Lewan about his play against top talent too. Other than a good half against Clowney, the type of rushers these OT will see in the NFL, Lewan was exposed when he faced top teams like Bama and OSU. At least he faced some top talent though.

Before I invest a top 10 pick on a guy, I want to at least see film on how he fares against legit NFL caliber players. There is no such film on Fisher so we'd be drafting a guy #7 overall based on 3 days of drills in Mobile, Alabama. Sorry, that's asking for trouble.

Agree!!!