Kirilenko--"I want to leave the Utah Jazz"

[jandaman]

Jazz under Sloan has always been a very strict system, Sloan is a great coach but his tactics are very "hard" to make the players fit within his concepts.


If he does void his contract, he wont be playing in the NBA for a bit, it could be a ploy to pressure Jazz to do trade him... but you can sense he absolutely hates playing for Sloan.




Diaw + Bell + Banks was a good offer I think... but 4 max players.... geez.

 

[elindholm]

If AK is content on a dedicated, easy practice, high intensity team I totally think we should pull a diaw/banks/Bell for AK+Brewer

Good heavens no.

Nash/Barbosa/DJ
Hill/Brewer
Marion/Tucker
AK/(Batista)
Amare/(Skinner)

Marion and Bell couldn't contain the Spurs' penetration, so now it's going to be up to Marion and Hill?

The Suns lose Diaw's playmaking, don't get any bigger, trade two rotation players for one and a question mark, get worse defensively, sacrifice half of their three-point game, and make their salary situation over the next few years worse. Disaster.

 

[jandaman]

Losing Bell would be tough... provides tough D and 3pointers...

however if Tucker and Strawberry can somehow provide the above... then maybe its a possibility by trade deadline... but 2 key players... not sure yet.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If AK is content on a dedicated, easy practice, high intensity team I totally think we should pull a diaw/banks/Bell for AK+Brewer

Utah gets a true role-player who doesnt care how small his role is, can play SF along okur and boozer, and their old SG which could finally perfect their lineup.

Williams
Bell
Diaw
Boozer
Okur

Nash/Barbosa/DJ
Hill/Brewer
Marion/Tucker
AK/(Batista)
Amare/(Skinner)

Worth it?

i'd consider doing it but no way coach d goes for it. you're leaving him without any 3pt shooters. just nash and barbs. he'd implode.

 

[Bufalay]

i'd consider doing it but no way coach d goes for it. you're leaving him without any 3pt shooters. just nash and barbs. he'd implode.

im sure marion would be happy to pick up the slack

 

[Rab]

It would take a lot for me to want to give up Bell.

 

[fordronken]

If Kirilenko does find a way out of his contract, will he be allowed to just sign with any team he wants? I'd be pretty happy with signing him for the midlevel.

Starters
Nash
Bell
Marion
Kirilenko
Stoudemire

Bench
Barbosa
Diaw
Hill
Tucker
Banks
Strawberry
Marks
Piatkowski

That would make for a pretty good offseason.

 

[slinslin]

Marion and Kirilenko on the same team is absolutely redundant. I doubt the Suns would like to have either Marion or Kirilenko at the 3 when they already have Grant Hill.
And in the process of doing it lose Diaw and Bell? Suns would never do that.

 

[Rab]

If Kirilenko does find a way out of his contract, will he be allowed to just sign with any team he wants? I'd be pretty happy with signing him for the midlevel.

Starters
Nash
Bell
Marion
Kirilenko
Stoudemire

Bench
Barbosa
Diaw
Hill
Tucker
Banks
Strawberry
Marks
Piatkowski

That would make for a pretty good offseason.

If it's a buy out, then I'm sure he could sign. For how much is something I don't know.

If the Jazz and AK somehow terminate his deal, there will most likely be a stipulation on him playing in the NBA for x amount of years or something like that.

 

[Griffin]

At this point, any team would have to be very cautious trading for AK. It doesn't seem like he really wants to stay in the NBA. He allows his emotional state to affect his on-court performance. And he has four years left on a maximum contract.

If Utah agrees to terminate his contract, I would guess there will be a provision that prevents him from playing for another NBA team until his current contract runs out. But I would not want to trade for him and then pay him $60+ million that he is willing to forgo.

 

[Griffin]

If it's a buy out, then I'm sure he could sign. For how much is something I don't know.

If he is bought out, I don't see why he wouldn't take the minimum. He said he doesn't care about money and that he wants to win a championship.

But why would Utah want to buy him out? AK is willing to terminate his contract without compensation.

 

[playstation]

i'm unfamiliar with the rules in a situation like this

is it possible to mutually terminate a contract?

if it is, what are the ramifications? can he no longer compete in the NBA for the length of said terminated contract? would he be perma-banned from NBA? can he compete in FIBA during that length?

he's obviously not playing for them again (For mutual reasons now).

so either he can be "suspended" by the Jazz without pay for the next 4 years (thus barring him from FIBA competition as well), or maybe mutual termination? and what if he is 'suspended'? does he still count against the cap?

my guess is that if mutual termination is not allowed, and suspended salaries still count against the cap, the jazz will still hold on to him as a potentially tradable asset. its just that the value they can get for him is like nothing at this point, its like a market for lemons.

given this situation, it seems like the eventuality of the situation is that he'd be bought out for some paltry sum (like $1000 or something), thus allowing him to become a FA. i don't even know the rules about what would happen in that situation. does he have to sit out a year? steve francis was recently bought out and signed with another team right away.

 

[F-Dog]

JAZZ: Kirilenko done with interviews

4:41 PM- Facing the threat of possible fines, Andrei Kirilenko is done with interviews after his latest with the Russian Sport Express newspaper.

Kirilenko's wife, Masha, e-mailed Thursday to say Kirilenko had talked to his agent and been warned by the NBA that he would face fines if he continued to talk about the Jazz.

"According to him players are not supposed to talk openly about things like this unless they wanna be fined," Masha Kirilenko wrote.

The Jazz will not fine or suspended Kirilenko based on anything he says. He would face sanctions if he didn't report to training camp by Oct. 1.

Although Kirilenko talked in his latest interview about playing in Russia, that is not possible as long as he is under contract to the Jazz. The NBA and FIBA have agreements to honor each other's contracts.

It appears to be Vince Carter time for AK. Honestly, I would find it hard to blame him for going into the tank at this point.

 

[elindholm]

What's Russian for "wanna"? That's a weird translation.

 

[Rab]

i'm unfamiliar with the rules in a situation like this

is it possible to mutually terminate a contract?

if it is, what are the ramifications? can he no longer compete in the NBA for the length of said terminated contract? would he be perma-banned from NBA? can he compete in FIBA during that length?

he's obviously not playing for them again (For mutual reasons now).

so either he can be "suspended" by the Jazz without pay for the next 4 years (thus barring him from FIBA competition as well), or maybe mutual termination? and what if he is 'suspended'? does he still count against the cap?

my guess is that if mutual termination is not allowed, and suspended salaries still count against the cap, the jazz will still hold on to him as a potentially tradable asset. its just that the value they can get for him is like nothing at this point, its like a market for lemons.

given this situation, it seems like the eventuality of the situation is that he'd be bought out for some paltry sum (like $1000 or something), thus allowing him to become a FA. i don't even know the rules about what would happen in that situation. does he have to sit out a year? steve francis was recently bought out and signed with another team right away.

See Derek Fisher.

 

[Rab]

If he is bought out, I don't see why he wouldn't take the minimum. He said he doesn't care about money and that he wants to win a championship.

But why would Utah want to buy him out? AK is willing to terminate his contract without compensation.

Yeah, it wouldn't make sense if he was really willing to leave the 60 mill on the table. I'm not completely sure he would really do it though.

 

[mribnik]

I'll just chime in and say that Kirilenko's defense is as overrated by this board as Joe Johnson's defense was. Kirilenko plays defense with just his arms, letting opponents drive by him at will hoping he can block a shot from behind. He is a solid defender overall, but any trade where the Suns give up Marion for him would make the Suns significantly worse. That doesn't even consider the fact that Marion is always healthy and Kirilenko has trouble staying healthy. I certainly don't agree that Marion is as good as Marion thinks he is, but this board certainly underrates him at this point, IMO.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Good heavens no.



Marion and Bell couldn't contain the Spurs' penetration, so now it's going to be up to Marion and Hill?

The Suns lose Diaw's playmaking,

Which became so passive and obvious last season every suns fan cringed when he drove the lane

don't get any bigger,

Dont get smaller either, lateral aspects of a trade are moot...Unless you consider the fact that this would bring Hill to the 2, which does make us bigger and brings a whole new dimension to nash's playmaking, especially when the defense has to rethink everything once barbosa comes in.

get worse defensively

they gain more post defense and help defense, and drop perimeter defense, I dont see that as worse.

, and make their salary situation over the next few years worse. Disaster.

How is losing diaw and BANKS' bloated contracts worse!?! 4 million dollars riding the pine and another NINE in a player who went from MIP to LIP!
Cost/production ratio we are up, plus we gain another promising wing with a rookie contract.

Half your points here are very exaggerated. Personally, Id rather lose bell and diaw than marion. I see no problems with Hill bringing his game to the 2 regardless of how many 3s he takes. It also allows us to keep our tempo but play bigger.

Disaster? So dramatic.

 

[elindholm]

Unless you consider the fact that this would bring Hill to the 2, which does make us bigger and brings a whole new dimension to nash's playmaking

No it doesn't. Hill can make plays regardless of how he lines up on offense. He'd struggle to guard opposing 2s even more than he will with 3s.

Which became so passive and obvious last season every suns fan cringed when he drove the lane

He's still a better playmaker than Kirilenko, probably, although I suppose that could be debated.

How is losing diaw and BANKS' bloated contracts worse!?! 4 million dollars riding the pine and another NINE in a player who went from MIP to LIP!

I refer you to hoopshype.com/salaries/phoenix.htm and /utah.htm. By 2009-10, Diaw and Banks combine for $13.5 million, while Kirilenko will be at $16.5 million. Plus you have to extend Brewer the next year.

Edit: Oops, I forgot to account for Bell, my mistake. So with the minimum-salaried wing they'd put in his place, the salaries are probably a wash until 2010-11.

Personally, Id rather lose bell and diaw than marion.

Okay.

I see no problems with Hill bringing his game to the 2 regardless of how many 3s he takes.

The problem is on defense.

Disaster? So dramatic.

Petulant little tyke, aren't we?

 

[nowagimp]

I see no problems with Hill bringing his game to the 2 regardless of how many 3s he takes. It also allows us to keep our tempo but play bigger.

Disaster? So dramatic.

Grant Hill cannot defend the '2' position anymore, bank on it. I like him at the '3' IF Raja is around @ the '2' and marion can switch off on Grants man if the opposing coach decides to attack Hill s defense at the '3'. Dont get me wrong I like Grant Hill for the suns, but NOT defending the likes of Kobe, Redd, Brandon Roy, Monta Ellis, he would get killed off the dribble by those guys.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I would rather keep Marion over AK. I would rather keep Diaw and Bell over AK.

I believe Diaw will be significantly improved over last year and will produce. He will back up all three front court positions will get significant minutes.

Bell, Diaw, and Marion are all healthy players. Whenever I think of AK47 all I can think of is Penny, Googs, and Danny Manning.

His contract is a booby trap, and the only reason the Suns have been talking is because Utah initiated it. I doubt Utah has anything that would really interest us in taking on AK's contract.