KJ: Cards Won't Even Have A Shot

[jon_nyaz]

Originally posted by schutd
How possible would it be that the organization contacted his agent, the agent said NO WAY IN HELL and then the organization reports it has no interest in him?

Exactly what I was thinking! I mean for the Cardinals to say that KJ isn't a compelling acquisition at this point of their rebuilding just doesn't track to me.

I bet they called both his agent AND the Browns and either they didn't like what they heard about KJ's character, or KJ's agent said he is looking for someone to either pick him up on waivers and thereby honor his current deal, or sign him after he clears with the promise of a long term deal. The Cardinals would be better served to agree to honor the remainder of this year's agreement and use the rest of the season as a try-out for a long term deal. Agreeing in principle to a long-term deal now wouldn't be prudent IMO. Anyway, this is all speculation based simply on the fact that the Cardinals coming out and dismissing KJ out of hand doesn't make any sense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm not really all that surprised or upset by this - Bringing in KJ can only do one thing, give us a chance at one or two more meaningless wins that will not only keep pushing us further from Eli Manning, but might also put public pressure on the Bidwills to keep coach Mac - both of those are bad things - in addition to that - I think Graves does realize that this is one long training camp - he has to see what he has in BJ in order to know how aggressivley he needs to go after a WR next offseason and if that reciever needs to be a #1 or below. I still don't get the Bryan Gilmore signing though - that guy doesn't belong on a CFL roster, much less ebing on one in the big show. If we were 4-5 or 5-4 and had a shot at the playoffs then I would be fuming right now - but this team has no shot so improving it right now when options could be better in the offseason only will hurt us short term and long term.

Now if we continue to stink at WR for the remainder of the season and do not address is adequately in the offseason - everything said above is taken back and it will be sadly be apparent that in house Rod can move mountains, but with FA and improving the team from the outside, he's still got a lot of work to do.

 

[CardLogic]

Cheesebeef, I disagree with you completely on this, and for one important reason.

I follow your logic, but the caveat is that how the Cardinals finish this season will have a major impact upon chances for improvement next year. Emotion and pride plays a hugh role in and on a football team.

If the Cardinals finish strong this year, they hopefully build upon it next year. This is even more relevant due to the youth on the team. Also it sends a message to the players: we will improve this team either from within or WITHOUT, but we ARE going to improve! So get with the program or be gone!

Conversely, if the Cardinals as a team (management included) fold on the remainder of this year. The negative physchological impact upon the team will nearly assure more of the same next year! The number one most detrimental action an organization can take is to "play for next year"!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by CardLogic
Cheesebeef, I disagree with you completely on this, and for one important reason.

I follow your logic, but the caveat is that how the Cardinals finish this season will have a major impact upon chances for improvement next year. Emotion and pride plays a hugh role in and on a football team.

If the Cardinals finish strong this year, they hopefully build upon it next year. This is even more relevant due to the youth on the team. Also it sends a message to the players: we will improve this team either from within or WITHOUT, but we ARE going to improve! So get with the program or be gone!

Conversely, if the Cardinals as a team (management included) fold on the remainder of this year. The negative physchological impact upon the team will nearly assure more of the same next year! The number one most detrimental action an organization can take is to "play for next year"!

See - if Mac was coming back I would agree with you - but he ain't (IMO) which means a new head coach is going to completely destroy and build up in his own image whatever happens this year anyway. Basically everything I'm saying is contingent on finally getting rid of this inept coaching staff - if they are back - then you are right, my thinking is way off base - but in addition to that if Mac IS brought back, then this team is truly clueless, or they just don't want to pay someone else while Mac is under contract - hence they are still cheap pathetic losers. I'm hoping to believe we are past that.

 

[CardLogic]

But don't you think that Mac's future depends upon how the remainder of the season plays out. I don't mean you opinion, but how the Cardinals org. will view the situation.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by CardLogic
But don't you think that Mac's future depends upon how the remainder of the season plays out. I don't mean you opinion, but how the Cardinals org. will view the situation.

Oh definitely - but do you really think the people in the Cards organization haven't been able to make a good read on Coach Mac during his three years here as head coach? Are things going to radically change in the last seven games? The script has been the same since the day he took over - our few wins always come down to the last play of the game and our losses - which are far too many - are always blowouts - nothing this season has shown that there is any change in that trend and as it's the same problems that continually hurt this team - lack of adjustments, turnovers, penalties, OL not playing up to par . . . his future absolutely depends on the rest of the season - but I think by looking at our schedule, it's pretty clear how the rest of the season is going to pan out I could be wrong and well, that's why they play the games.

 

[SECTION 11]

Originally posted by CardLogic
But don't you think that Mac's future depends upon how the remainder of the season plays out. I don't mean you opinion, but how the Cardinals org. will view the situation.

I don't think so at all. I think Mac's back next year. Who the OC will be is a question, but the rest I see coming back. If Rod Graves gives Gilmore and the rest of our WR's a chance to develop, our DE's a chance to develop and whoever else a chance to develop, you'd think that his stance on Mac as a head coach would be that he needs a chance to develop as well. Mac is a young HC, and experience most likely will make him better.
Basically it would be hypocritical to fire Mac, given their statements on developing players.

I dunno. I just don't see him going anywhere. I think Sullivan needs to be convinced to come back as our WR coach and we need a quality, experienced OC. I'd throw a nice contract in front of Fassell personally if he was available.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I'd throw a nice contract in front of Fassell personally if he was available.

And if we suck again next year, Fassell can move right into the HC position w/out McGinnis having to be fired.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by SECTION 11
I don't think so at all. I think Mac's back next year. Who the OC will be is a question, but the rest I see coming back. If Rod Graves gives Gilmore and the rest of our WR's a chance to develop, our DE's a chance to develop and whoever else a chance to develop, you'd think that his stance on Mac as a head coach would be that he needs a chance to develop as well. Mac is a young HC, and experience most likely will make him better.
Basically it would be hypocritical to fire Mac, given their statements on developing players.

I dunno. I just don't see him going anywhere. I think Sullivan needs to be convinced to come back as our WR coach and we need a quality, experienced OC. I'd throw a nice contract in front of Fassell personally if he was available.

No coach deserves the opportunity to hire three different OCs - and Mac has been in the league as head coach for too long to usae the young excuse - especially since it is apparent from the same crap we see every season, that he isn't learning anything - this team's output has been the same every single season he has been here as HC - if Mac's back, it doesn't bode well for the future of this franchise.

 

[CardLogic]

Cardinals fan by definition.

I go into each week hoping that the Cardinals can somehow win!
Regardless of record, I want to see them be competitive "this" week.

I ultimately know that Mac is not going to be the coach to turn this team around. Why, because I believe that the current team has enough talent to be competitive every week. Maybe not enough talent to make or succeed in the playoffs, but enough to be competitive and to earn a winning record.

I have seen the blunders and incompetence displayed each week by the coaching staff. It's not for lack of desire or effort, it's lack of ability, in my opinion.

Yet, I keep hoping against hope that "this week" will be the week that changes all of the past. That "this week" Mac will have a revelation and become a coaching genius... That Mean Joe can translate his stellar career into knowing how to coach... That the Cardinals will have a blow-out win... That "THIS" will be the week!

Nah, probably not!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Originally posted by Krangthebrain
I think that was uncool of you to say he lied.

Maybe KJ is known as a problem child within NFL circles? Maybe he is a lot like David Boston?

I mean, come on the guy was released outright in the middle of the season. Something is clearly wrong with this picture IMO.

OK?

Hmm ..... Then another Graves said one thing and did another. Is that more P.C. ?

Once again. Graves is doing an adequate job in his first year. I even started a thread today that talked about how I think the core of this team is exciting, and well on its way to becoming a force.

I just remember him saying that he was looking for a vet WR to be cut and that he would go after him.

A good vet WR just got cut and now he is saying that he doesn't want to sign him.

Is there something behind the scenes? Probably. But I am just speaking from what information is given to me. So ease back men.

And I editted my old post and removed "lie" so I don't hurt anyone's feelings.

I am just tired of hearing one things and then seeing actions that completely goes against what what originally said.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Originally posted by RugbyMuffin
OK?

Hmm ..... Then another Graves said one thing and did another. Is that more P.C. ?

Once again. Graves is doing an adequate job in his first year. I even started a thread today that talked about how I think the core of this team is exciting, and well on its way to becoming a force.

I just remember him saying that he was looking for a vet WR to be cut and that he would go after him.

A good vet WR just got cut and now he is saying that he doesn't want to sign him.

Is there something behind the scenes? Probably. But I am just speaking from what information is given to me. So ease back men.

And I editted my old post and removed "lie" so I don't hurt anyone's feelings.

I am just tired of hearing one things and then seeing actions that completely goes against what what originally said.

Alrighty then.

But to be honest, I wasn't really expecting us to sign KJ anyway. We need to get Q and BryJohn the ball, and obviously KJ couldn't handle playing second fiddle behind young players in Cleveland.

KJ is not a star receiver by any stretch of the imagination, and to be honest, he is better suited as a number 3. Obviously he won't accept that, and Cleveland felt getting rid of him would be addition through subtraction.

Rod never said that he WAS bringing in a vet receiver, he said that he would explore his options. I think people on this board constantly misquote him, he has always been quite candid with us.

To sum it all up, would you want KJ as your number 1 or number 2 of the future? I wouldn't, and I don't think many people would. If he isn't a number 1, he will pout like he was doing in Cleveland, so we are better off passing on him.