KK

[AZman5103]

KK is a really poor HC...like bottom of the league HC.

He has cost us numerous games in his time here, and it can't be an excuse. Your coaching should be winning you games, not losing them.

The problem, and honestly the kind of sickening part, is no one will tell it like it is with Kliff....unless Kyler breaks rank at some point and calles him out. Bidwill and Keim (mostly Keim) are so desperate to prop KK up and make themselves look like "geniuses" for the hire...that they will do nothing but praise. They can't tell everyone how great KK is, and how he was so in demand by all these other teams, enough. The thing is the product is not matching the hype. With Murray, it is...he looks like he is going to be a good player (even if he has some flaws). With Kingsburry he has not done anything to show he belongs in this league.

I would LOVE to see Murray with real NFL coach that could bring out some toughness and leadership from him and let him become a superstar.

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree but we're still the most undisciplined team in the league with penalties and we're still burning timeouts like we have a cheat code for unlimited ones because the offense is confused. He's not primarily at fault but he's a reason. We can't have him and Vance as the head coaches for this team, they collectively make too many mistakes.

If people want to argue that penalties are the reason we lost...I mean, I disagree but...they happened.

Every week Kliff puts his players in positions to make plays. If they fail to do so, that is on the players. Belichick made the exact same decision as Kliff to kick an even longer field goal to win the game. His K made it and the AZ K didn't. That isn't coaching, that is execution.

 

[Praxis]

funny

It's overdue. Sorry if you feel otherwise.

 

[AZfaninMN]

I think you are really overrating the cardinal roster lol

Best WR in the NFL. Best young QB outside of Mahomes. One of the better Olinesbplaying right now. Pair that with a top 15 defense. Am I missing something? Only constant every week is poor clock management, penalties, and lack of balls by our HC

 

[Chopper0080]

So did Kliff. But he gets a pass?

No one is on here saying we should cut Kyler...so I didn't feel he needed defending.

 

[Stout]

This makes no sense.

He's saying KK shouldn't be a conservative idiot and run on 3rd and 2. At least TRY to throw for a 1st down so the plan isn't "drain the clock, HOPE we get the first, and rely on our caca poo poo kicker to make a FG." That way, we can drain the clock AND be closer for a FG attempt, or even score a TD.

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

what’s the other option?

Not be a coward running Drake on 3rd and 2. Let Kyler get a 1st down and put the game away

 

[Cheesebeef]

The consistent and continued unforced errors are the biggest indictment of him.

I see no improvement at all in just not doing simple things like getting the play in quickly, not moving for a false start, having too many people in the game.

I can't imagine how bad this would be with opposing fans in the stadium

that’s just it. There is ZERO improvement or learning from mistakes under Kliff. He was carried early by Kyler having an incredible stretch with his legs that covered for bad coaching and penalties. There’s zero growth on this team outside of Kyler’s legs. Even Kyler’s passing has seemed to regress this season.

 

[DVontel]

This is so funny.

Kliff called Kirk's drop in the end zone.

Kliff told Kyler to give it when he had the OLB dead to rights.

Kliff told Zane to miss the GW field goal.

Belichick makes the exact same call and he is smart because his K made it.

I’m not hopping on the hate wagon like most, but one thing that’s been pissing me off about Kliff is his lack of pre-snap motion this year. That has EXTREMELY been pissing me off considering he did it a good amount of last year. I remember the Giants game last year, he did it like 6 times in the first two possessions, yet, I don’t think he has done anything close to that this year despite having better personnel. We’re not even top 20 in % last time I checked weeks ago.


Like, dude, throw the damn defense off. Look at whag McVay & Shanahan have been doing despite inferior QB talents. Make it easier for the QB. Make it easier for the OL. It’s getting damn predictable. I thought he finally would have got it with the pitch to Andy, but nah. He arguably called a better season last year than this year.

 

[Chopper0080]

Best WR in the NFL. Best young QB outside of Mahomes. One of the better Olinesbplaying right now. Pair that with a top 15 defense. Am I missing something? Only constant every week is poor clock management, penalties, and lack of balls by our HC

Not today he wasn't. Kyler was pretty crappy throwing the ball and didn't want to run.

 

[Stout]

Not be a coward running Drake on 3rd and 2. Let Kyler get a 1st down and put the game away

Yes, exactly!!!

 

[TaylorSwift]

I hope you're right but this is Steve Keim and the Cardinals, we know how this goes. He will be here at least until Murray's rookie deal is up.

Kliff is really bad, glaringly bad.

You cant even hide or try to explain away how bad he is.

I cant imagine everyone in the Cards organization is backing Kliff as an HC after this most recent horrendous display.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Gonzales career 18 for 28 from 40-49 and KK keeps trotting him for those. A coach should be aware of their kicker’s strengths.

I don’t know how we keep trotting out a kicker who’s the erratic between 40-49 yards. That’s a pathetic stat.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Who keeps sending Gonzales out there for 47 yard attempts?

Not just sending him out there, but actively playing for that outcome.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Not just sending him out there, but actively playing for that outcome.

Really justifies not even letting him on the plane.

Like what sort of logic is that?

 

[DVontel]

Not be a coward running Drake on 3rd and 2. Let Kyler get a 1st down and put the game away

He had the option & let KD kept the ball when he most likely would have gotten the 1st. That is also on Kyler as well.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Here’s why Dingsbury isn’t going anywhere... that would mean Keim would have to admit utter failure AGAIN on the coaching search. It would mean we’d have our 4th coach in 4 years.

and I don’t think we boot Keim. Even though I’m not sure why not. He picked the last awful regime. He hired a coach who never won in college and then paired him with a bad DC. He’s the one who brought Zane Gonzalez back.

 

[Chopper0080]

He's saying KK shouldn't be a conservative idiot and run on 3rd and 2. At least TRY to throw for a 1st down so the plan isn't "drain the clock, HOPE we get the first, and rely on our caca poo poo kicker to make a FG." That way, we can drain the clock AND be closer for a FG attempt, or even score a TD.

Kyler was trash throwing the ball this game. We had way more success running the ball.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Kliff is a bad head coach. Kliff is a questionable offensive coordinator. I think he’s exposed with kylers hesitance to run. Kliff hasn’t been able to scheme past kylers magic with his legs and we’ve seen the offense suck as a result. In other words, minus kyler kliff sucks at offense. Moreover, even the management of the team wasn’t completely sold on him as evidenced by having to hire a defensive coordinator with head coaching experience to be the “head coach of the defense.” (And they failed on that count too). This is an institutional failure. Bad gm. Bad head coach. Bad coordinators. Great young qb potentially. Smattering of top level players. Lots of mediocrity. Ugly overall picture.

 

[TaylorSwift]

Here’s why Dingsbury isn’t going anywhere... that would mean Keim would have to admit utter failure AGAIN on the coaching search. It would mean we’d have our 4th coach in 4 years.

and I don’t think we boot Keim. Even though I’m not sure why not. He picked the last awful regime. He hired a coach who never won in college and then paired him with a bad DC. He’s the one who brought Zane Gonzalez back.

I think I can accept Kiem for hitting on Kyler and missing on Kliff, thats fine.

Kiem screws up by making the error worse and keeping Kliff

 

[WindCardinal]

Kliff is really bad, glaringly bad.

You cant even hide or try to explain away how bad he is.

I cant imagine everyone in the Cards organization is backing Kliff as an HC after this most recent horrendous display.

yeah let’s trash Kliff instead of blaming players that didn’t execute. Murray, Kirk, Gonzalez, Simmons, Sweezy?? Is it not their fault?(hint: it is)

 

[Stout]

Kyler was trash throwing the ball this game. We had way more success running the ball.

Baloney. He was inconsistent at worst. He made some incredible throws to keep us in the game, and at other times he wasn't as good. His lack of RUNNING hurt us, but KK game planned him to not run. Going conservative with him.

 

[Stout]

yeah let’s trash Kliff instead of blaming players that didn’t execute. Murray, Kirk, Gonzalez, Simmons, Sweezy?? Is it not their fault?(hint: it is)

(hint: certain players sucking doesn't equate KK coaching well.)
(hint: faulty logic)
(hint: the excuses are getting thin)

 

[TaylorSwift]

Kyler was trash throwing the ball this game. We had way more success running the ball.

Kyler played well enough to win this game.

He played well enough to win the game last week.

He is also still hurt with that AC joint injury.

 

[TaylorSwift]

yeah let’s trash Kliff instead of blaming players that didn’t execute. Murray, Kirk, Gonzalez, Simmons, Sweezy?? Is it not their fault?(hint: it is)

How did you think the patriots looked????

Far worse than the Cardinals, except in coaching which of course was a battle between master class and ineptitude.