Knicks/Bucks/Hawks Trade

[ehale911]

Was just reported on ESPN News.

Knicks get Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed.

Hawks get Michael Doleac and Przybilla.

Bucks get Keith Van Horn.

 

[elindholm]

I guess Marbury and Van Horn really can't get along. Tim Thomas is okay, but he shoots the ball every time he touches it. And Mohammed is a passable backup big man in the East, but not much more than that. It's probably a good trade for the Knicks from a chemistry standpoint, but I think they lost on the talent side.

 

[slinslin]

Isiah traded all white guys on that team.
Wonder if that is coincidence?



This pretty much also means that Atlanta is going to be worse than any other team unless Rasheed plays for a contract.

 

[elindholm]

Isiah traded all white guys on that team.
Wonder if that is coincidence?

Well, it's more practical than trading away all the heterosexuals.

 

[BMF]

How many years left on the Tim Thomas contract???

Isiah is stupid and I think the Bucks took advantage....

 

[slinslin]

Wait!

I forgot about CZEZARY TRYBANSKI!

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Przybilla has a qualifying offer of over 3 million for the next season, so most likely the hawks just cleared ANOTHER 3 million.

Also, Doleac has 1 more year at 1.5 million, for some reason I thought his deal was up at the end of the year. Anyone know if it is a team option or something? Or was I just wrong?

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Well I just found out it is a player option for the next season, 1.5 million.

So if he doens't pick it up, that is another 4.5 off the books form this trade.



I wonder if Jason Terry is on his way out as well........

 

[F-Dog]

Originally posted by elindholm
I guess Marbury and Van Horn really can't get along. Tim Thomas is okay, but he shoots the ball every time he touches it. And Mohammed is a passable backup big man in the East, but not much more than that. It's probably a good trade for the Knicks from a chemistry standpoint, but I think they lost on the talent side.

I would put this one entirely on Isiah, and I don't think this trade is good for the Knicks.


From what I saw, Marbury and KVH were getting along well enough, and KVH seemed like an ideal fit with Marbury on the court (on offense at least)--he can play with or without the ball, and turn Marbury's passes into points with regularity.

I don't have much to add about Tim Thomas, except that I don't think that Lenny Wilkens is the ideal coach for him.


Hey, maybe this trade will send the Knicks into a tailspin!

 

[Joe Mama]

Isaiah Thomas has successfully traded away two of Marbury's best complements on the court. I think this move will help improve the Phoenix Suns draft this summer.

Joe Mama

 

[slinslin]

Btw, Joe Mama.

Aren't you always the guy who always says "It takes a whole lot more than Shawn Marion to get the #3 pick in the draft?

So what could we get for that pick?

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by ehale911
Was just reported on ESPN News.

Knicks get Tim Thomas and Nazr Mohammed.

Hawks get Michael Doleac and Przybilla.

Bucks get Keith Van Horn.

HoopsHype already has the trade reflected on their board.

From the Knicks standpoint they get the long sought "tall athletic type" in Tim Thomas". Thomas has a 14.1 ppg while he averages 44.3% from the field and 36.2% for three. He grabs 4.9 rpg and gives out 2.1 assists per game. Thomas has two more years on his contract: 2004-05 for $12.9 million and 2005-06 for $13.9 million.

Van Horn produces 16.4 ppg on 44.5% shooting and 37.3% for 3. He grabs 7.3 rpg and gives out 1.8 assists per game. Van Horn is $14.5 million for 2004-05 and $15.7 million for 2005-06.

Van Horn is about 2 1/2 years older than Tim Thomas.

Statisticaly these guys are pretty close. Van Horn is a better outside shooter and Thomas is more athletic. Van Horn rebounds better.

Mohammed has slightly better stats than Doleac: 6.5 ppg to 5 ppg in 17.9 minutes to 14.9 minutes. Mohammed grabbed 5 rpg to Doleac's 4.1 rpg. But he is no where near worth the extra $3.7 million a year. Joel Przybilla is just ballast and his $2.4 million contract will not be renewed.

Van Horn makes $1.6 to $1.8 million more than Thomas.
In spite of this, the Knicks added even more future salareis because Nazr Mohammed makes $5.2 million next year and $5.5 million in 2005-06 while Michael Doleac only makes $1.5 million. Next season the Knicks will START with a salary structure of $97 million.

I certainly hope that the second Knicks pick has a reasonable time limit, because the Knicks are creating an impossible salary structure.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

just saw this

"Sources said the Hawks plan to waive Doleac and if he clears waivers, the Knicks will move to re-sign him. The Nuggets, Jazz and Clippers, however, are reportedly interested in claiming Doleac."

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/16347.htm

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
just saw this

"Sources said the Hawks plan to waive Doleac and if he clears waivers, the Knicks will move to re-sign him. The Nuggets, Jazz and Clippers, however, are reportedly interested in claiming Doleac."

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/16347.htm

At $1.5 million a year, I expect that Doleac would get claimed on waivers. The Nuggets in particular are interested in more size and have plenty of cap room.

 

[slinslin]

I think trading a player, the other team waives him and he gets reclaimed by his old team.
That is almost working against the rules of trading under the cap.

 

[Joe Mama]

Originally posted by slinslin
I think trading a player, the other team waives him and he gets reclaimed by his old team.
That is almost working against the rules of trading under the cap.

If no other teams want to claim that player off waivers I don't have a problem with it. Obviously it is within the rules of the CBA, or they wouldn't be able to do it.

Michael Doleac will get claimed off waivers. If the Suns weren't in the money crunch trying to free money for free agency I would expect them to claim him. He's stronger and a better shooter than Jake Voskuhl, but he's no better defensively. That's really where the Suns need to help the most. However that nice midrange shooting would sure help clear the middle on offense.

Joe Mama