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You make it out like he was a horrible rebounder and the facts just don't support you. With his athleticism he should have been one of the elite rebounders in the game and he wasn't, but, he was still a decent rebounder.

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I dont think its going on on a limb to say Amare was routinely killed by us, the media, the announcers... basically everyone for his effort on the glass. Statistically he's... average. But as you say, he SHOULD have been better.

And Amare's rebounding struggles go beyond just his own numbers. The guy never boxes out, he not only costs himself opportunities at boards but makes it harder on his teammates too.
 

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I dont think there will be a post gloating about Amare's game 5.
 

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Amare 7 shots = 14 pts

Denver connection Melo & JR Smith, 46 shots = 47 points

Yep, it certainly was all Amare's fault that they lost this game.
 

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Amare 7 shots = 14 pts

Denver connection Melo & JR Smith, 46 shots = 47 points

Yep, it certainly was all Amare's fault that they lost this game.

Agree....Amare being in foul trouble tonight and having a laceration on his left hand demolished any hope of the Knicks being competitive in this series.

Carmelo and JR Smith are both black holes with the basketball. The two being on the same team together is nonsensical.
 

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Amare 7 shots = 14 pts

Denver connection Melo & JR Smith, 46 shots = 47 points

Yep, it certainly was all Amare's fault that they lost this game.

4 boards... completely inept on defense. And, as has been pointed out. Amare's offensive skills have diminished to the point he needs to be spoon-fed at the rim. He can still finish when he gets there but he is not a threat to create his own shot.
 

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4 boards... completely inept on defense. And, as has been pointed out. Amare's offensive skills have diminished to the point he needs to be spoon-fed at the rim. He can still finish when he gets there but he is not a threat to create his own shot.

If I were the Knicks I would trade the bumn. Why would they wand a guy that never gets the ball and takes only 7 shots on their team. By getting rid of him Melo can shoot more often. That would immediately make them a championship contender.

I hope they do.
 

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If I were the Knicks I would trade the bumn. Why would they wand a guy that never gets the ball and takes only 7 shots on their team. By getting rid of him Melo can shoot more often. That would immediately make them a championship contender.

I hope they do.

Like I said, when a guy's one reliable move is "wide open dunk" and he is hopeless on the glass, its hard to force 20 shots his way.

Throughout the year they played considerably better without him. They will probably TRY to trade the bum, but his contract makes him virtually impossible to move. Hell, the Suns tried to move him when he was 2 years younger, much less injured and played with a pulse more than once a month... and they couldnt even get JJ Hickson in return.

I honestly dont see how they could move him. Something like Amare for Elton Brand, purely as an effort to get the cap space back in a year... that might be the best they could do. Most teams amnestied their contract disasters already so its hard to find a team with the salary structure to even take on Amare purely as a salary dump for the Knicks. Maybe Houston is desperate enough for a name and does a Scola/Morris/Dalembert for Amare swap.
 
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Like I said, when a guy's one reliable move is "wide open dunk" and he is hopeless on the glass, its hard to force 20 shots his way.

Throughout the year they played considerably better without him. They will probably TRY to trade the bum, but his contract makes him virtually impossible to move. Hell, the Suns tried to move him when he was 2 years younger, much less injured and played with a pulse more than once a month... and they couldnt even get JJ Hickson in return.

I honestly dont see how they could move him. Something like Amare for Elton Brand, purely as an effort to get the cap space back in a year... that might be the best they could do. Most teams amnestied their contract disasters already so its hard to find a team with the salary structure to even take on Amare purely as a salary dump for the Knicks. Maybe Houston is desperate enough for a name and does a Scola/Morris/Dalembert for Amare swap.

There is no team (other than New York) that's stupid enough to take on Amare's contract. in 2014, it might become an asset ($23M expiring contract), but I can pretty much guarantee you that nobody will touch that contract with a ten foot pole until then.
 
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amare is the least of ny problems. j.r. smith is quite possibly the dumbest player they have. picking up dumb fouls, just overall bad he is on offense and defense. the guy is a bonehead. what ny needs is a pg to get the team flowing.
 

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amare is the least of ny problems. j.r. smith is quite possibly the dumbest player they have. picking up dumb fouls, just overall bad he is on offense and defense. the guy is a bonehead. what ny needs is a pg to get the team flowing.

JR Smith wont be a Knick again next year, he was just a disposable swing man on a one year deal. Amare is their biggest problem because he is taking up 2/5ths of their cap space, his contract is virtually untradable and he played at a level unworthy of a starter for most of the year.
 

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There is no team (other than New York) that's stupid enough to take on Amare's contract. in 2014, it might become an asset ($23M expiring contract), but I can pretty much guarantee you that nobody will touch that contract with a ten foot pole until then.

I agree, I was throwing out extreme longshot ideas. If the amnesty clause had not been in the new CBA, then they might at least have some options. Amare for Rashard Lewis or Gilbert Arenas. But the equally bad contracts have been axed.

Elton Brand is the only straight up trade I that is remotely phesable that works on paper... and I dont know if either team would do it. Sixers would likely prefer to have the cap space and as appealing as dumping Amare would be, sending him to a division rival might be too much for the Knicks dignity.

The Houston trade is also a longshot. But their GM has been stockpiling little chunks of trade bait, has tried to get in on virtually ever big trade negotiation and failed. He is probably getting desperate and the trade I laid out is basically a Scola for Amare swap. The kind of trade that looks great on paper but will destroy their cap and ability to compete for 3 years. But many GMs and owners are more interested in pointing at the roster and saying "look, we tried" than making sound, long term, decisions. Their GM has seemed forward thinking, so the trade is very doubtful, but at some point he has cash in his chips and take a chance before he gets canned.
 

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he played at a level unworthy of a starter for most of the year.

I don't know that I would take it that far. 17 points, 8 rebounds, on 48% shooting, along with an assist, block, and a steal is worthy of a starting power forward. Not worthy of someone making $20M+ per year, but it's certainly worthy of a starter.
 

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I don't know that I would take it that far. 17 points, 8 rebounds, on 48% shooting, along with an assist, block, and a steal is worthy of a starting power forward. Not worthy of someone making $20M+ per year, but it's certainly worthy of a starter.

The Knicks played far better with Josh Harrelson and Jarred Jefferies on the court than they did with Amare. A 2nd round pick and a waiver wire player. That was my point. Amare's ineptness go beyond his "STAT"s.
 

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The Knicks played far better with Josh Harrelson and Jarred Jefferies on the court than they did with Amare. A 2nd round pick and a waiver wire player. That was my point. Amare's ineptness go beyond his "STAT"s.

They played even better without Melo. Hell, their best games were without both of them- Amare and Melo. That team was just not put together very well. Melo and Amare are the two most overrated "stars" in the NBA, neither one of them plays defense, and neither one of them is an exceptionally good team player (Melo being flat-out terrible.) Nobody complements anyone, the whole team is just a great example of how throwing a bunch of "good" players together doesn't make a good team.

My point is that while Amare is not worth half of what he is making, to say that he is not even an acceptable starter is just silly.
 

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