Knicks Suns 1/7/11

[Chaplin]

sorry, chap but i think the above, while not a load of bull, is probably a pile of it. uh, then we weren't perfectly open to giving him the Max. In the NBA, all MAX contracts are fully guaranteed. we gave him a contract that had major qualifiers. i mean, what if he broke his arm and couldn't play, or had a bad fall in a game and broke something else not related to his knee or eye? no player in the nba takes this kind of deal because they play in a contact sport and injuries DO happen and considering every time amare got hurt, he came back with FLYING colors, it was pretty petty on our part to offer a contract that no other superstar player in the league would touch and then turn around and say, well, we offered him the max.



i don't know how smart this business is. we're now bad, on the way to being terrible and being terrible for years as we have no pieces on this team that have any future. so, what would have been better business wise? Probably two more years of contending for a title with the outside chance that we're bad for three years because amare might get injured... or being bad for five years because we didn't sign him and then turned around and STILL spent the same amount of money on guys who have long-term contracts and have little to no value?

I'm sorry, but we're talking about the lesser of two evils here. Bad now, or horribly awful in 3 or 4 years when we are paying out 20million per for an injured player? Remember, it's not like Nash was going to be around in year 4 of Amare's contract. How bad would we be with no Nash, no Amare, and over 20 million unable to be be used because of the bad signing? New York was willing to take the risk, we were not.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm sorry, but we're talking about the lesser of two evils here. Bad now, or horribly awful in 3 or 4 years when we are paying out 20million per for an injured player? Remember, it's not like Nash was going to be around in year 4 of Amare's contract. How bad would we be with no Nash, no Amare, and over 20 million unable to be be used because of the bad signing? New York was willing to take the risk, we were not.

uh, maybe it's just me, but i think the lesser of two evils is taking a shot at the title for the next two years and then possibly being horrible for two years after (20 million dollars as an expiring is a huge chip to play with in year 5) over being bad to horrible for 5 years, which is what we're looking at, ESPECIALLY since we spent that money we didn't spend on Amare on a three LONG TERM GARBAGE CONTRACTS that run for 6 years.

 

[Chaplin]

uh, maybe it's just me, but i think the lesser of two evils is taking a shot at the title for the next two years and then possibly being horrible for two years after (20 million dollars as an expiring is a huge chip to play with in year 5) over being bad to horrible for 5 years, which is what we're looking at.

LOL You of all people actually thought we would have had a shot at the title? Sounds like something I would say, not you.

I would love to have Amare's game on the team this year, don't get me wrong. I have nothing against having him on the team for the next 3 years. The problem comes when his knees give out.

As bad as our team is, the contract situation gives us a lot more flexibility than a huge max contract does.

 

[Cheesebeef]

LOL You of all people actually thought we would have had a shot at the title?

i got on board with this team in the second half of last year, especially seeing how the bench rose up and Amare beasted. i'm also not that impressed with anyone in the west and wasn't after the playoffs last year.

I would love to have Amare's game on the team this year, don't get me wrong. I have nothing against having him on the team for the next 3 years. The problem comes when his knees give out.

the problem though is you're making this out to be a certainty when in reality, amare is something of a medical miracle. there's all this talk of how he'll need another surgery... but players are dealing with micro-fractures better and better and better and amare seems to only be getting STRONGER the further he gets away from it.

As bad as our team is, the contract situation gives us a lot more flexibility than a huge max contract does.

and therein lies the rub... i guess the the problem i see there is i don't have any faith in this organization to rebuild this team. what player is going to want to come here to a team that looked at as cheap around the league (and i really think it's tough to argue they aren't, whether it's the case or not) and has no pieces to build around for the future?

 

[Chaplin]

and therein lies the rub... i guess the the problem i see there is i don't have any faith in this organization to rebuild this team. what player is going to want to come here to a team that looked at as cheap around the league (and i really think it's tough to argue they aren't, whether it's the case or not) and has no pieces to build around for the future?

That definitely is the rub. Hard to find much good about the team right now, on that we agree.

 

[AzStevenCal]

That definitely is the rub. Hard to find much good about the team right now, on that we agree.

As promised, I'm still optimistic. I think I have a better outlook right now than many of you do because I expected us to be horrible. That was my point all along when I was somewhat belittled over the summer.

I also remain hopeful that our management team will be able to work us out of this mess. Focusing on picks: trade Nash, trade Hill (if he wants), trade Carter, trade the Gorilla and anything else of value. We may suck but at least we can look forward to draft day. Right now, Suns fans have nothing to look forward to.

Steve

 

[desertdawg]

Go Dudley!

 

[dodie53]

go suns!

kill 'em!

 

[Cheesebeef]

As promised, I'm still optimistic. I think I have a better outlook right now than many of you do because I expected us to be horrible. That was my point all along when I was somewhat belittled over the summer.

I also remain hopeful that our management team will be able to work us out of this mess. Focusing on picks: trade Nash, trade Hill (if he wants), trade Carter, trade the Gorilla and anything else of value.

i just don't see it. maybe if we lose like another 10 of 12 and just look abysmal it'll happen, but i bet we level out a little bit, keeping us JUST WITHIN striking distance of the 8 seed and that makes our FO (who says Nash is our "moon, our stars, our universe") strive for two more playoff games worth of money before we REALLY stare into the abyss next season.

 

[desertdawg]

It's hard because the only teams that would want Nash are probably picking way late in the draft, or wouldn't want to give up the young talent. This year is just wacky, Stat is going to have his way with us tonight. How many posters will he get on our D tonight? I say at least 3 good ones. I hope Lopez wears a helmet, he is too slow to get out of the way.
Go Suns.

 

[Suns_fan69]

Gortat is better at PnR than you give him credit for. I disagree that he has bad hands, he just haven't gotten the hang of it yet. He needs to time his drive to the hoop better. I do agree that his problem is with his finishing, what Amare would dunk and get and one, Gortat cant. i think this may be due to him not getting major minutes until now and hopefully he will get better

There was a play in the Laker game that set me off against Gortat. He took a feed from Nash, who was under the basket, and instead of trying to cram the ball down, took a little 6 foot jumpshot that missed.

I'm ok with not being to finish as well as Stoudemire does (not many do), but you should be trying to do it everytime you have an opportunity to.

It's around the 1 min mark of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWJwQmThJHM

 

[AzStevenCal]

i just don't see it. maybe if we lose like another 10 of 12 and just look abysmal it'll happen, but i bet we level out a little bit, keeping us JUST WITHIN striking distance of the 8 seed and that makes our FO (who says Nash is our "moon, our stars, our universe") strive for two more playoff games worth of money before we REALLY stare into the abyss next season.

I think one of two things will happen. We'll trade Nash and others for picks and young players OR we'll keep trying to make something out of this mess, using up Nash in the process. Either way, we have a fair shot at a good draft pick as long as Nash has the decency to drop dead in the middle of January instead of the end of March.

Honestly, I think this team is capable of playing even worse ball than we've seen so far. A blowout loss tonight and we might roll over and play dead for a month. If we win, it could perhaps go the other way but again, it will quite possibly bring an end to Steve's career.

Steve

 

[sunsfan88]

Wow. Gentry is the dumbest coach in the NBA.

He's starting Frye who has SUCKED for the past 10 games, and he's gonna put Hill on Amare...As good a defender as Hill is, what is Gentry SMOKING to put a SF on a PF? That too on one of the best PFs in the NBA.

Gortat limits Gasol to like 8 pts and of course he doesn't start.

If the Suns wanna win, it starts off getting rid of Gentry. He gets too much credit for having one decent season with us.

 

[desertdawg]

Wow. Gentry is the dumbest coach in the NBA.

He's starting Frye who has SUCKED for the past 10 games, and he's gonna put Hill on Amare...As good a defender as Hill is, what is Gentry SMOKING to put a SF on a PF? That too on one of the best PFs in the NBA.

Gortat limits Gasol to like 8 pts and of course he doesn't start.

If the Suns wanna win, it starts off getting rid of Gentry. He gets too much credit for having one decent season with us.

Wow I would have definitely thought Gortat would start, Knicks aren't huge. Hill does know Amare and he is cool and all, but come on man.

 

[jagu]

I guess we are aiming for a high lottery pick... Hill on Amare? Seriously??

 

[AfroSuns]

Amare is not a finesse player Nowitski, surely this is a jest. Hill is going to be abused.

 

[sunsfan88]

I'm telling you guys. All this time we thought we didn't have the right players....but maybe the truth is that we don't have have the right coach.

Coaches should not play favorites. But Gentry is in love with Frye. He has gave Frye too many minutes despite him being the worst player on this team. Or close to it.

Can someone explain to me how Gentry thought having Hill guard Gasol would be ridiculous but he makes Hill guard Amare who is a better offensive player. I think with all the losing, Gentry has done mental.

 

[Mainstreet]

I guess we are aiming for a high lottery pick... Hill on Amare? Seriously??

Hill is probably the Suns best defender. I don't think any other Suns player has much of a chance. Hill will really need to be a warrior to slow Amare down. I would never scoff at the idea Hill can rise to the occasion especially since he knows Amare's game. Still I'm not counting on this happening. The Suns have not played like a good team for a long time.

 

[Bufalay]

uh, maybe it's just me, but i think the lesser of two evils is taking a shot at the title .

Seems like the two evils are the same in your eyes. If they had signed Amare, they would be taking a shot at the title with the guy you compared to Vince Carter. Instead they decided to take a shot at the title with Vince Carter.

 

[Folster]

Anyone wanna hit up the chat room for this game. It makes for easier communication during the game.

 

[Folster]

Suns start Nash, Carter, Childress, Pietrus, and Hill? WTF!

 

[desertdawg]

Amare from way deep, oh damn. Come on Suns, yall gotta make a game of it.

 

[elindholm]

LMAO at the starting lineup.

 

[desertdawg]

LOL Amare swats Nash's junk with Nash wanting the foul.

 

[Folster]

LMAO at the starting lineup.

I had to do a double take. I kept looking for Lopez or Gortat. What is Alvin thinking?