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Vogel is a good defensive coach, but as shown in Orlando, here and the year he had Westbrook in the Lakers, if the team isn't talented on defense, he can't do much. His teams that do well on defense have the following formula
1) Very good rim protecting big with huge wingspan (High Blocks per game type)
2) Typically a good defensive on ball player at the point (Caruso, George Hill)
3) Length at the perimeter (at the 2/3).
Honestly, most good defensive teams tend to have those ingredients. Now tell me with our team if we have those pieces?
We don't have a particularly good defensive Center at the rim, we don't have length at the 2 or 3, and we don't have a starting level (or off the bench starting level) guard that can defend on the ball. Maybe Goodwin for a few moments.
The way this team was built was a pipedream that Beal turns into that player who defends and gives you superstar 3rd option which makes your offense so good that even average defense is enough. As it has turned out, Beal has been a complete dud due to injuries (and not sure he fits anyway) and our other 2 stars have also been hurt a lot. This has disconnected any shot at having that powerhouse offense we needed to get wins even with average defense.
What we needed to do with Vogel style coach is to get those defensive pieces. Instead we traded for stars and a lot of top heavy stuff, without much thought into what would work around Booker/Durant. Booker/Durant with elite defense is enough to win. Vogel won (or came to close) in 2 stops with just 2 stars (and Indiana not even 2 stars). Indiana they had the defense with Hibbert, Hill, George .... in LA Anthony Davis, Caruso, and other players brought that defense.
To me this 100% on Jones and ownership, not the coach. They haven't given him a roster with any defensive talent outside of Goodwin (who has barely playable NBA offense, meaning he is a liability on offense). The entire Beal trade shouldn't have been done, if they wanted defensive balance. They needed to instead trade for some defensive players. The Ayton trade, again, it did give you depth which you needed once you traded for Beal. However if you don't do that Beal trade, you can then instead trade for defensive rim protecting big, instead of Nurk. We needed to roster build with the needs of Vogel's defense, and having 2 stars like Book/Durant. James Jones messsed this up.
1) Very good rim protecting big with huge wingspan (High Blocks per game type)
2) Typically a good defensive on ball player at the point (Caruso, George Hill)
3) Length at the perimeter (at the 2/3).
Honestly, most good defensive teams tend to have those ingredients. Now tell me with our team if we have those pieces?
We don't have a particularly good defensive Center at the rim, we don't have length at the 2 or 3, and we don't have a starting level (or off the bench starting level) guard that can defend on the ball. Maybe Goodwin for a few moments.
The way this team was built was a pipedream that Beal turns into that player who defends and gives you superstar 3rd option which makes your offense so good that even average defense is enough. As it has turned out, Beal has been a complete dud due to injuries (and not sure he fits anyway) and our other 2 stars have also been hurt a lot. This has disconnected any shot at having that powerhouse offense we needed to get wins even with average defense.
What we needed to do with Vogel style coach is to get those defensive pieces. Instead we traded for stars and a lot of top heavy stuff, without much thought into what would work around Booker/Durant. Booker/Durant with elite defense is enough to win. Vogel won (or came to close) in 2 stops with just 2 stars (and Indiana not even 2 stars). Indiana they had the defense with Hibbert, Hill, George .... in LA Anthony Davis, Caruso, and other players brought that defense.
To me this 100% on Jones and ownership, not the coach. They haven't given him a roster with any defensive talent outside of Goodwin (who has barely playable NBA offense, meaning he is a liability on offense). The entire Beal trade shouldn't have been done, if they wanted defensive balance. They needed to instead trade for some defensive players. The Ayton trade, again, it did give you depth which you needed once you traded for Beal. However if you don't do that Beal trade, you can then instead trade for defensive rim protecting big, instead of Nurk. We needed to roster build with the needs of Vogel's defense, and having 2 stars like Book/Durant. James Jones messsed this up.