Knight Deal Agreed Upon ? 5 yrs 70 Mil ? W/Suns

[TJ]

Great point. In your opinion, does Knight bring more to the table than Bledsoe? I tend to think so.

I think they're virtually even on offense, but Bledsoe is a better defender and more athletic.

I'm not a proponent of dealing Bledsoe, but I can be swayed if McD doesn't get fleeced again like he did during the deadline deals in February. I really dont care for Porzingis; and aside from Melo, the Knicks have virtually nothing to offer, and they won't send over next season's first-round pick unprotected.

Honestly, I'd rather keep the more proven player in Bledsoe than take anything on that New York roster.

 

[JerkFace]

I agree. Boston we know was tried to get any of the picks between 4-9 targeting, supposedly, Winslow. The Suns supposedly had talks about #4 and then later #9, but no word of them trying to get up in between. Which makes me pretty certain that they were looking at two different guys in those slots.

They claim they were trying to move up to #9 to get Booker.

 

[sunsfan88]

Do we even want to trade Bledsoe for Porzingus?

 

[3rdside]

Do we even want to trade Bledsoe for Porzingus?

Yes - straight up only though (or with fillers from either side i.e. Booker stays).

 

[hcsilla]

I heard on the radio today that once Knight officially signs, Bledsoe could be gone within 48 hours. He also said a Knight deal was close and there were two offers being considered for Bledsoe and one of them was with NY. Porzingis could have been made for the Suns and Bargnani could be coming to make the salaries match.

Bargnani is gonna be a FA tomorrow therefore he can not be traded.

 

[Hoop Head]

If the Knicks hadn't traded Hardaway Jr during the draft he would be the only piece I'd be slightly interested in. Even then though Porzingas & Hardaway for Bledsoe would be a really tough sell unless they have a max free agent ready to sign, which I highly doubt. I think the only way I'd do that deal is if they can also dump the Morris' contracts with Bledsoe but only if we got an unprotected 1st along with Porzingas. That would create a ton of cap space for Phoenix but also would create a lot of holes to fill, which isn't really a bad thing since I think sticking with the twins longterm is a bad decision.

 

[KloD]

I heard on the radio today that once Knight officially signs, Bledsoe could be gone within 48 hours. He also said a Knight deal was close and there were two offers being considered for Bledsoe and one of them was with NY. Porzingis could have been made for the Suns and Bargnani could be coming to make the salaries match.

Yeah, could you be a little more specific to what show you heard this on? I listened last night to the only piece I could find that had Elhassan and aired yesterday. The piece had he, Windhorst, and Stein. At the end Stein asked each to predict something wild they believe could happen in free agency. The Suns trading Bledsoe was Windhorst's prediction, not Elhassan's and no players were discussed as to who they might get back. Nor did they say anything about number of potential offers there are. It was just a hypothetical discussion. Clearly what I heard couldn't be the discussion you are referring to. So could you kindly let me know what show you heard this on as I'd like to give it a listen. Thanks!

 

[3rdside]

Just looked at the Knicks roster and there's nothing they've got that would realistically make a trade work if bargnani can't be traded; Calderon makes about $7m and if you include PF jason smith at $3.2m trade machine likes it straight up for Bledsoe but it leaves the Knicks with no Pf's on their roster.


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[PDXChris]

Yeah, could you be a little more specific to what show you heard this on? I listened last night to the only piece I could find that had Elhassan and aired yesterday. The piece had he, Windhorst, and Stein. At the end Stein asked each to predict something wild they believe could happen in free agency. The Suns trading Bledsoe was Windhorst's prediction, not Elhassan's and no players were discussed as to who they might get back. Nor did they say anything about number of potential offers there are. It was just a hypothetical discussion. Clearly what I heard couldn't be the discussion you are referring to. So could you kindly let me know what show you heard this on as I'd like to give it a listen. Thanks!

If I remembered anymore I would have told you. I caught if earlier in the day while driving for a few minutes. I wasn't in the car long enough to catch which show it was.

 

[PDXChris]

Bargnani is gonna be a FA tomorrow therefore he can not be traded.

Just looked at the Knicks roster and there's nothing they've got that would realistically make a trade work if bargnani can't be traded; Calderon makes about $7m and if you include PF jason smith at $3.2m trade machine likes it straight up for Bledsoe but it leaves the Knicks with no Pf's on their roster.


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I assume a sign and trade for Bargnani.

 

[Absolute Zero]

hmmmmm....

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ious-about-shopping-eric-bledsoe-this-summer/

After a game of cat and mouse through much of last summer, the Phoenix Suns committed to Eric Bledsoe — five years, $70 million. He responded by giving them a good season, averaging 17 points and 6.1 assists a game, leading the team in Win Shares (seven) and he had the highest PER of any player on the roster at the end of the season.

So, now the Suns want out of the Bledsoe business.

Phoenix is reportedly going to sign Brandon Knight to a $70 million contract this summer, and if that happens you can bet they don’t want to high-priced point guards and Bledsoe will be on the block. Marc Stein of ESPN put it this way:

 

[JCSunsfan]

Do we even want to trade Bledsoe for Porzingus?

I would. He has bust potential, true, but he is also one of those potential superstar talents. The Suns have to keep trying until they get one.

I am not worried about him being skinny. He is young, and he is not a center. He is a 7-3 pf. Durant only weighed a buck 85 when he came into the league.

My only concern about trading Bledsoe is that I really am not totally sold on Knight yet. All signs look good, but folks in Milwaukee said that everyone's shooting percentage went down when Knight was on the floor. Not sure what that means.

We haven't seen much of him yet.

I do think this Bledsoe trade speculation is coming from the reports of the Suns signing Knight. They are just assuming if the Suns pay big bucks for Knight they don't want Bledsoe anymore. I do not think that is true.

 

[Mainstreet]

I would. He has bust potential, true, but he is also one of those potential superstar talents. The Suns have to keep trying until they get one.

I am not worried about him being skinny. He is young, and he is not a center. He is a 7-3 pf. Durant only weighed a buck 85 when he came into the league.

My only concern about trading Bledsoe is that I really am not totally sold on Knight yet. All signs look good, but folks in Milwaukee said that everyone's shooting percentage went down when Knight was on the floor. Not sure what that means.

We haven't seen much of him yet.

I do think this Bledsoe trade speculation is coming from the reports of the Suns signing Knight. They are just assuming if the Suns pay big bucks for Knight they don't want Bledsoe anymore. I do not think that is true.

We can agree on this. I think Knight will be alright based on how he played with the Bucks. The question is, are the Suns sold on the Porzingis, enough to trade Bledsoe? I think the Suns would trade Bledsoe or later on Knight, if they find the right big man or a star potential player.

 

[Covert Rain]

With the trade talk leading up to the draft, draft day talk, comments by Marc Stein, report by Helin and now the contract with Knight? Now factor in the Booker pick (even though that was reactionary to who was left)?

Sounds like the Suns actually might have a plan and possibly deciding to commit to Brandon Knight? Using Bledsoe as their "chip" to improve the team makes sense. He is one of the only guys we have on this roster that can bring some value in a trade to improve the team.

Maybe I am being optimistic but I really want to believe this team has a plan to move away from all this overload at the guard position.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Yeah, Bledsoe gone.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Yeah, Bledsoe gone.

He's alive! As in you want him gone or expect him to be traded?

 

[devilalum]

I would. He has bust potential, true, but he is also one of those potential superstar talents. The Suns have to keep trying until they get one.

I am not worried about him being skinny. He is young, and he is not a center. He is a 7-3 pf. Durant only weighed a buck 85 when he came into the league.

My only concern about trading Bledsoe is that I really am not totally sold on Knight yet. All signs look good, but folks in Milwaukee said that everyone's shooting percentage went down when Knight was on the floor. Not sure what that means.

We haven't seen much of him yet.

I do think this Bledsoe trade speculation is coming from the reports of the Suns signing Knight. They are just assuming if the Suns pay big bucks for Knight they don't want Bledsoe anymore. I do not think that is true.

But their winning % went down after he left?

 

[JCSunsfan]

hmmmmm....

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....ious-about-shopping-eric-bledsoe-this-summer/

Total speculation that, if the Suns sign Knight, they don't want Bledsoe. They have said all along they plan on resigning Knight. This is just national media types that do not know the local story.

But the Suns will listen to offers anyway. Who knows.

 

[Quagmire]

Another piece of the puzzle, the Nuggets have the option to switch picks with the Knicks in next year's draft. I don't expect either team to be that good, but the Knicks have an incentive to not tank.

 

[3rdside]

"What the heck is going on in Phoenix? They go to war with this kid Bledsoe last summer and try to get him on the cheap. They then realize that won’t work and sign the kid to the 70 mil. They move other guys to make room, give up a good prospect in Tyler Ennis, and now, they want to choose Knight over Bledsoe? Huh? Sounds like they are in the running for Knucklehead Front Office of the Year Award."

Love this comment from the article ( http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...e-this-summer/ ) - can't say he's wrong.

Why would I want Porzingis for Bledsoe?

Potential of Porzi, the realisation that Bledsoe is not a tier 1 PG and if we pay him and Knight we've got too much money tied up in combo guards, one of which - Knight - will play out of position, both of which will be short for their positions, we're in proper rebuild mode meaning we can and will suck next season but we'll have a proper draft pick (and maybe at that point we'll actually have those mythical 'stockpiled assets' to play with), and, possibly what carries the most weight, is it's fun; porzingis is like the big christmas present under the tree that looks awesome, and there's a good chance it is.

Why would I not do it?

Bledsoe looks like possibly the better player than Knight and are we really going to be better in the long run doing it (building vs rebuilding)?

 

[3rdside]

The other comment from the same article:



Knicks need to jump on this…

You can’t preach “rebuild” after signing your 30 (now 31) year old star to a 5 year deal. You must build a team around him that can win now & in the years to come.

Suns Get:
Kristaps Porzingis
Jerian Grant
Guillermo Hernangomez
Jose Calderon

Knicks Get:
Eric Bledsoe
Devin Booker

I think both teams win in this trade.

The Suns have been in search of a possible franchise player since the end of the Steve Nash era but are currently loaded with a bunch very good players but none of which “franchise player” material. They traded for Knight last season & they’ve made it clear that they plan to keep him. No matter how much they try to sell this double PG backcourt none sense we all know that it’s a gimmick that won’t last. Either Bledsoe or Knight has to go & after all the contract drama between Bledsoe & management last season I’m willing to bet he’s the odd man out. This trade solidifies their PG rotation, gives them a possible stud within 2-3 years in Porzingis & adds a vet to a very young team. If Porzingis pans out to be what all the scouts are saying he will, this may turn into a steal for the Suns. What the Suns have that the Knicks don’t is 2-3 to find out.

Bledsoe is basically Jerian Grant with 4 years of NBA experience & Devin Booker; who in my opinion is a more polished Tim Hardaway Jr. would fit the triangle offense like a glove with his excellent shooting ability. After this trade the Knicks would still have enough money to go after a Greg Monroe & another solid starter.



Call me crazy but I think this one favours the Knicks as I really like our pick in Booker.

 

[Covert Rain]

Uh no to any trade if someone asks for Booker and Bledsoe. That is ridiculous and probably purely speculation. That team would get Bledsoe who is a legit talent and a possible 1st round steal?

Dumb if the Suns would even considered this but I have not read anything close to this.

 

[Chaz]

"What the heck is going on in Phoenix? They go to war with this kid Bledsoe last summer and try to get him on the cheap. They then realize that won’t work and sign the kid to the 70 mil. They move other guys to make room, give up a good prospect in Tyler Ennis, and now, they want to choose Knight over Bledsoe? Huh? Sounds like they are in the running for Knucklehead Front Office of the Year Award."

Love this comment from the article ( http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...e-this-summer/ ) - can't say he's wrong.

I can.

Totally false characterization of last summer. They made a reasonable offer, always said they would negotiate that number, and settled on a number a little higher than they originally offered but less than Bledsoe was asking for to begin with.

They traded Ennis to get who they thought was a better player in Knight.

They have not chosen Knight over Bledsoe. Per the report they are planning on paying them about the same. All indications by the Suns so far is that they plan on playing and paying them both.

 

[elindholm]

The other comment from the same article:

Suns Get:
Kristaps Porzingis
Jerian Grant
Guillermo Hernangomez
Jose Calderon

Knicks Get:
Eric Bledsoe
Devin Booker

I think both teams win in this trade.

So this was written by a Knicks fan. That's an obvious ripoff in favor of New York. It's Bledsoe and the #13 for the #4 and a pile of garbage.

The problem with all of these fan sites is that the writers' biases always end up showing through and rendering the discussion worthless.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I can.

Totally false characterization of last summer. They made a reasonable offer, always said they would negotiate that number, and settled on a number a little higher than they originally offered but less than Bledsoe was asking for to begin with.

They traded Ennis to get who they thought was a better player in Knight.

They have not chosen Knight over Bledsoe. Per the report they are planning on paying them about the same. All indications by the Suns so far is that they plan on playing and paying them both.

Agreed. The Suns did not go to war with Bledsoe last summer. He and his agent just did not speak to the Suns. That was their strategy. It hurt the team and did not help Eric.

AFAIC no more Rich Paul clients.