Knightfall.......History channel

[oaken1]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555364/




anyone else catch the premier? I am a bit of a templar junkie so I was excited to see this show. It may be lacking in some historical accuracy...artistic license maybe?? But based on the premier the show is top notch..writing, acting, directing, effects...all well done.
the show is basically covering the fall of the knights templar...it begins with the loss of acre,..pretty sure that was the end of the second crusade... then picks up in paris fifteen years later where the show begins...
it runs right after Vikings which I know many of you are watching...it is worth the extra hour to check it out.
so, anyone see it?? what do you think?

 

[Stout]

To say it's lacking in some historical accuracy is a vast understatement. I mean, I agree with you that the production value, writing, and acting are all very good, but man, it's hard for me to watch. I've read a series of historical novels on the time period and the events surrounding it in France and Europe, which led me to do a lot of research and to write a story set in the time period, concerning those events. In France, they got right that the Jews were banished, and...well, that's about it. Everything else is not just different, but pretty much opposite of what happened, of what we know for a fact happened.

I'll give it another episode--and I know, I'm being the whiny 'historically accurate' guy--but dramatization is one thing, and complete change is quite another. This show may be tough sledding for me.

 

[oaken1]

To say it's lacking in some historical accuracy is a vast understatement. I mean, I agree with you that the production value, writing, and acting are all very good, but man, it's hard for me to watch. I've read a series of historical novels on the time period and the events surrounding it in France and Europe, which led me to do a lot of research and to write a story set in the time period, concerning those events. In France, they got right that the Jews were banished, and...well, that's about it. Everything else is not just different, but pretty much opposite of what happened, of what we know for a fact happened.

I'll give it another episode--and I know, I'm being the whiny 'historically accurate' guy--but dramatization is one thing, and complete change is quite another. This show may be tough sledding for me.

I understand your point... but we in fact,... dont know anything for a fact in regards to what actually happened...
we actually have lots of young people who think the templars were a sect of satanic knights.. mostly due to assassins creed I think, lol

 

[puckhead]

I understand your point... but we in fact,... dont know anything for a fact in regards to what actually happened...
we actually have lots of young people who think the templars were a sect of satanic knights.. mostly due to assassins creed I think, lol

I love that game! I may have to check this out.

 

[Stout]

I understand your point... but we in fact,... dont know anything for a fact in regards to what actually happened...
we actually have lots of young people who think the templars were a sect of satanic knights.. mostly due to assassins creed I think, lol

Actually, we know quite a bit for fact Lots of people are misinformed. We can't know everything about everything, but given Pope Clement's private documents exonerating the Templars, and the Vatican's official pardoning of them/acknowledgment of the crimes against them, we know a lot. No secret that Philip's control over the Papacy controlled the outcome of that trial.

But let's get into real stuff, like how we KNOW the Templar wasn't screwing the queen...because she was dead lol I mean, the Teplars were supposed to be into a lot of unproven stuff, but necrophilia? Hmm

The show was rife with stuff like that (inconsistencies, not necrophilia lol). Then there's the grail stuff, which is fine, because that's the mystical part of the show that naturally can't be considered history.

Like I said, it was intriguing as mere fiction, so I'll keep giving it a shot.

 

[oaken1]

Actually, we know quite a bit for fact Lots of people are misinformed. We can't know everything about everything, but given Pope Clement's private documents exonerating the Templars, and the Vatican's official pardoning of them/acknowledgment of the crimes against them, we know a lot. No secret that Philip's control over the Papacy controlled the outcome of that trial.

But let's get into real stuff, like how we KNOW the Templar wasn't screwing the queen...because she was dead lol I mean, the Teplars were supposed to be into a lot of unproven stuff, but necrophilia? Hmm

The show was rife with stuff like that (inconsistencies, not necrophilia lol). Then there's the grail stuff, which is fine, because that's the mystical part of the show that naturally can't be considered history.

Like I said, it was intriguing as mere fiction, so I'll keep giving it a shot.

yeah...thats how I view it... historical fiction based upon actual events...like I mentioned up above..similar to Vikings, much of it happened, much of it didnt, and some of it is just to make the show more interesting.
even though I am sure Landry was screwing somebody... that whole chastity thing, for dudes that signed on so young, just does not seem plausible. lol.
you think Percival is going to have a major role?

 

[Stout]

yeah...thats how I view it... historical fiction based upon actual events...like I mentioned up above..similar to Vikings, much of it happened, much of it didnt, and some of it is just to make the show more interesting.
even though I am sure Landry was screwing somebody... that whole chastity thing, for dudes that signed on so young, just does not seem plausible. lol.
you think Percival is going to have a major role?

Oh, right, chastity lol Suuure they were all chaste.

Yeah, Percifal will play a big part, IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I liked the pilot. But more as fiction than anything historical. Like Stout I did some research into the grail and the templars but my intrigue was triggered by Dan Brown. The academic books I read were interesting to a point until they began to just feel like researching a family tree.

That said, from a pure entertainment perspective I think this is bound to fall far short of Vikings which had an interesting grittiness to it that this lacks.

 

[Stout]

I don't think I can keep watching this one. For me, they really needed to get the Iron King right--the ruthless, emotionless, icy French King. Instead he's some insecure young man, and they've made Isabella some simpering young girl who isn't already married and living in England. There's no way we'll get the Tour de Nesle affair, which is vital to the period, because the king somehow doesn't have any sons in the show! Nogaret is some evil spidery villain--a part that would have been better suited to Charles of Valois, who is also weirdly absent. Not to mention the queen should fricking well be dead. I mean, they didn't have to get the history right, per se, but they did have to not piss all over it for no reason.

 

[oaken1]

I don't think I can keep watching this one. For me, they really needed to get the Iron King right--the ruthless, emotionless, icy French King. Instead he's some insecure young man, and they've made Isabella some simpering young girl who isn't already married and living in England. There's no way we'll get the Tour de Nesle affair, which is vital to the period, because the king somehow doesn't have any sons in the show! Nogaret is some evil spidery villain--a part that would have been better suited to Charles of Valois, who is also weirdly absent. Not to mention the queen should fricking well be dead. I mean, they didn't have to get the history right, per se, but they did have to not piss all over it for no reason.

Le sigh.......so fickle...

 

[Stout]

Le sigh.......so fickle...

Like I said, it's like they're purposefully TRYING to ruin the history, rather than just changing some things. No thanks.

 

[Dude]

I was looking forward to it but I don't like it that much. I will give it more time to see if it gets better.

 

[Stout]

This show is a frickin' cartoon. So much fun to hate watch it.

 

[oaken1]

This show is a frickin' cartoon. So much fun to hate watch it.

Parcifal didnt last long did he, lol.

 

[Stout]

Parcifal didnt last long did he, lol.

He did not lol Also, did you know the Pope wanted to make a European super state with no monarchs? True story, bro.

 

[ajcardfan]

I gave up after two episodes.

 

[oaken1]

He did not lol Also, did you know the Pope wanted to make a European super state with no monarchs? True story, bro.

actually...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wife and I just watched the 1st episode.. The Prime Minister and the pig sex thing. We'll be in for another one or 2 and see how it goes.

Wrong thread

 

[MrYeahBut]

Wrong thread

I happens when you take Ambien... My bad. I deleted it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I happens when you take Ambien... My bad. I deleted it.

Lol it took me a bit to figure out what you were talking about.