Kobe Bryant is a ?

[Chris_Sanders]

After day 1 the suns kings and clippers are now tied for the pacific division lead. This race looks like it could go down to the final day of the season.

I believe that Lakers team had Odom.

 

[SunsTzu]

Missed free throws the story of this game. Horrid.

How about losing by 2 and then looking back to that play where Walton/Brown scored on their own basket.

 

[Bufalay]

I believe that Lakers team had Odom.

true, he did kill the suns in that game. My point is that its just one game and you still can't infer too much from it.

 

[Stargazer]

kobe is the best player in the nba and it's clear IMO. there are some others who almost as effective, but none like him. His team around him is not set up for success like it once was obviously. the best thing for the lakers is to keep him though and build around him. I don't blame kobe for being frustrated about the lack of offseason moves.

Kobe is good, but I don't know how you could describe last night's performance as good. Kobe shot 13 of 32, or 40% from the field. The rest of the team shot 19 of 44, or 43% from the field. In other words, as poorly as the rest of the team played, you were actually worse off with Kobe taking the shot than with a random teammate taking the shot. In my opinion, you've got no business taking half of the team's shots if you're not even shooting above the team average.

 

[D-Dogg]

kobe is the best player in the nba and it's clear IMO. there are some others who almost as effective, but none like him. His team around him is not set up for success like it once was obviously. the best thing for the lakers is to keep him though and build around him. I don't blame kobe for being frustrated about the lack of offseason moves.

This is where it is frightening as all hell to be a Laker fan at the moment. The Laker FO has not been able to build a contending squad around the best player in the game. So they could be forced to trade him....and then do what? If they can't build a winner around him, why in the world would I trust them to build a winner from scratch? The in-fighting in the family and the unstability of the ownership/decision making process has led to West's departure, Shaq's departure and now likely Kobe's departure. And the man that many fingers are pointed at as the root cause of all this is perpetual failure Jim Buss, who will take over the team from pops. Not looking good. Laker haters rejoice.

How about losing by 2 and then looking back to that play where Walton/Brown scored on their own basket.

ugh. fluky play...it was ridiculous.

 

[abomb]

This is where it is frightening as all hell to be a Laker fan at the moment. The Laker FO has not been able to build a contending squad around the best player in the game. So they could be forced to trade him....and then do what? If they can't build a winner around him, why in the world would I trust them to build a winner from scratch? The in-fighting in the family and the unstability of the ownership/decision making process has led to West's departure, Shaq's departure and now likely Kobe's departure. And the man that many fingers are pointed at as the root cause of all this is perpetual failure Jim Buss, who will take over the team from pops. Not looking good. Laker haters rejoice.

Agreed. To the non-Lakers fan this is a Kobe vs the front office, but in reality the front office is going through some ridiculous infighting that will likely cripple the franchise.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Barbosa + Marion looks pretty good for Kobe right about now.

 

[D-Dogg]

Agreed. To the non-Lakers fan this is a Kobe vs the front office, but in reality the front office is going through some ridiculous infighting that will likely cripple the franchise.

Roland Lazenby on the situation...dunno if you read his latest.

 

[Covert Rain]

Barbosa + Marion looks pretty good for Kobe right about now.

I would be all for that as well. Marion for some OK big man plus future considerations doesn't win us a TITLE and doesn't make this team better right now.

Some of these ridiculous trade scenarios would be good down the road. However, we won't have Nash down the road and I want a title now.

 

[abomb]

Roland Lazenby on the situation...dunno if you read his latest.

Yeah, I did. It is almost unbelievable.

 

[SO91]

Donald it's not just Laker haters...Two of the most hated, front-running teams in all of American sports are on the verge of going down the toilet b/c of incompetent sons taking over. Has that ever happened before?

 

[abomb]

Donald it's not just Laker haters...Two of the most hated, front-running teams in all of American sports are on the verge of going down the toilet b/c of incompetent sons taking over. Has that ever happened before?

I saw an article the other day and that very topic. Thoughout sports history, it is a very common thread.

 

[da_suns_fan]

I can't believe anyone is saying anything except that Kobe is chucker and the reason his team lost is because he chucked way to many shots that had no chance.

Dude shot the ball 40-something times (when you factor in that fouled attempts dont go as a FGA). He was shooting when he was triple teamed instead of passing to open teammates.

And people actually want this guy on our team?

 

[tobiazz]

Kobe is good, but I don't know how you could describe last night's performance as good. Kobe shot 13 of 32, or 40% from the field. The rest of the team shot 19 of 44, or 43% from the field. In other words, as poorly as the rest of the team played, you were actually worse off with Kobe taking the shot than with a random teammate taking the shot. In my opinion, you've got no business taking half of the team's shots if you're not even shooting above the team average.

Thank you. When TNT shows just total points and FT attempts without FG% it appears Kobe was dominating the Rockets rather than just taking an inordinate amount of shots.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I can't believe anyone is saying anything except that Kobe is chucker and the reason his team lost is because he chucked way to many shots that had no chance.

Dude shot the ball 40-something times (when you factor in that fouled attempts dont go as a FGA). He was shooting when he was triple teamed instead of passing to open teammates.

And people actually want this guy on our team?

Kobe was +5 last night, second only to Fisher. He isn't remotely the reason they lost.

 

[Mulli]

Who should Kobe pass to instead of shooting? If I were a Laker fan I would want him to shoot first.

 

[D-Dogg]

Who should Kobe pass to instead of shooting? If I were a Laker fan I would want him to shoot first.

And second and third. Unless it is Fish. Fish has the green light as well. Kwame can't catch the ball. Bynum is soft as wet Kleenex. Luke...can't shoot. Odom has the green light too, but he's not playing.

I'll take a ton of sprained wrist Kobe shots over the rest of what the cat drug in.

 

[D-Dogg]

Who should Kobe pass to instead of shooting? If I were a Laker fan I would want him to shoot first.

BTW, you are off your game.

The title of this is just begging for a jellybean sandwich reference.

 

[Mulli]

BTW, you are off your game.

The title of this is just begging for a jellybean sandwich reference.

I used up my jbs for the week on you birthday thread. I was considering "Kobe is an analyst/therapist."

 

[D-Dogg]

I used up my jbs for the week on you birthday thread. I was considering "Kobe is an analyst/therapist."

:hifive:

That's a great one!

 

[Rbutters91]

BTW, he wasn't fouled on that last play. It was a great tip, and all ball.

He was fouled.

Kobe took waaaay to many shots that he shouldn't have. But hey, what else is new?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He was fouled.

Kobe took waaaay to many shots that he shouldn't have. But hey, what else is new?

He was not fouled. That was all ball.

 

[Rbutters91]

He was not fouled. That was all ball.

If you are counting Kobe as part of the ball, then yea. It was all ball.

 

[D-Dogg]

If you are counting Kobe as part of the ball, then yea. It was all ball.

He didn't get fouled.

You are talking to the biggest Kobe homer on this board. He absolutely was NOT fouled. I looked at the replay about 10 times wanting to be pissed off. He wasn't touched.


He also did NOT foul Bonzi...he had all hand and ball, and by rule the hand is part of the ball. He had no part of wrist or anything else...just hand and ball...it just forced Bonzi to the ground and they called it. I hate the "hand is part of the ball" rule but it's there.

 

[Errntknght]

I don't think the rule is literally that the hand is part of the ball - just the part of the hand that is on the ball. Heck, with the size of some of these guys hands you couldn't block their shots at all if the rule was more strict.