Kolb cut

[Solar7]

I wish him well. He was a class act while he was here for the most part.

I really vouched for the trade and was convinced we'd have at minimum a top-15 QB for a while. Unfortunately, I was wrong.

He might have the talent to start somewhere, but I don't think his body is going to let him. He'd be best off taking a perennial backup job behind a healthy starter, rather than take an open job where he opens himself up to more hits. I can see other concussions coming next time he gets hit.

 

[CardsFan88]

Well he tried hard. He has guts. His body just can't stand the rigors of the NFL, especially not one with a poor pass blocking line with little help coming from the coaches.

But I don't feel bad for him, he was paid more money than an entire Chinese sweatshop as long as it exists for playing a game, sparingly. Dude's made more money per game then probably Michael Jordan.

I wish him luck in the future and sad it didn't work out here, but this was the right move. Though we should have done this last season.

 

[Dback Jon]

Good.

One of the stupidest trades/deals the Cardinals have ever made.

Knew he was a disaster from day one.

 

[Duckjake]

Disagree about the talent part. He was improving last season prior to the injury. The only thing that's going to keep him from being a starter is the injury-bug seeing as he can't develop if he's not on the field.

He's got guts, you're right. He'll land on his feet somewhere.

I don't know. After the NE game his QB rating went 127, 84, 72, 64. His completion % dropped from 70.8 to 53.8 and ypa from 9.25 to 4.92. Each getting progressively lower every game just like the QB rating. Doesn't look like improvement.

But then he was getting hit so much its hard to tell if it was him or the sacks affecting his play. He's gone now so it no longer matters.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Well he tried hard. He has guts. His body just can't stand the rigors of the NFL, especially not one with a poor pass blocking line with little help coming from the coaches.

But I don't feel bad for him, he was paid more money than an entire Chinese sweatshop as long as it exists for playing a game, sparingly. Dude's made more money per game then probably Michael Jordan.

I wish him luck in the future and sad it didn't work out here, but this was the right move. Though we should have done this last season.

MJ really didn't make all that much until like the last couple years of his career. He made something like 5M in salary for most of his career and then made like 25M+ in salary in his last couple seasons with the bulls.

 

[TJ]

I don't know. After the NE game his QB rating went 127, 84, 72, 64. His completion % dropped from 70.8 to 53.8 and ypa from 9.25 to 4.92. Each getting progressively lower every game just like the QB rating. Doesn't look like improvement.

But then he was getting hit so much its hard to tell if it was him or the sacks affecting his play. He's gone now so it no longer matters.

It was the sacks and QB pressures. I vividly remember the Rams game in which the 3-man rush was getting to him within 2.2 seconds. Kolb has some work to do to get better, but the line regressed exponentially the day the regular refs came back.

Read - Batiste and Massie weren't allowed to hold, anymore.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Kolb is one tough hombre but he does not have the durability to play in the NFL, be it that he is fragile for the sport or just plain bad luck. I think a lot of it is bad luck because he survived a stretch of games where I have never seen a QB get hit so often and hard and still keep getting up. I wish the man the best but there is no way we could feel confident he could stay on the field and were paying a lot for something we could not depend on.

 

[crisper57]

Kent Somers ‏@kentsomers

If #azcardinals had made Kolb June 1 designation, his $13.5 number would be on cap until June 1. Not a tough decision

This tells me they aren't done in FA and want the extra flexibility between now and then. That's really a reach, I know .

 

[vince56]

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[Duckjake]

It was the sacks and QB pressures. I vividly remember the Rams game in which the 3-man rush was getting to him within 2.2 seconds. Kolb has some work to do to get better, but the line regressed exponentially the day the regular refs came back.

Read - Batiste and Massie weren't allowed to hold, anymore.

That's true. I remember watching some film where the Pass rushers would get to our QB before our WR's were 5 yards downfield.

Miami to Minnesota they gave up 29 sacks. In four games. That's 8 more than Peyton Manning took all season.

 

[Snakester]

This needed to be done. Kolb was making way to much money for too little production. It would have been nice to see him play for about 3mil a year. Graves should never have given that kind of a contract to an unproven player. Graves paid for that mistake with his job, but it doesn't help us much now.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Read - Batiste and Massie weren't allowed to hold, anymore.

Silliest. theory. ever.

Sorry, I wouldn't buy that for $5 if you gave me $6 back.

Cause I guess they let Potter and Massie start holding again at the end of the season ? Right ? Since Massie gave up ZERO sacks in the last eight games ?

 

[Catfish]

While I was of the impression that the Cards did not want him, that apparently is not true. Even though they were unable to reach an agreement with him in salary, the team has apparently left the door open for him to come back at a much cheaper rate if he does not find work at the pay he wants elsewhere. This could possibly lead to him returning later after free agency if he is passed by all the others. (Who knows, with an improved O-line and a serviceable RB he might just be a fit for an after June 1 signing). He did play pretty well the first 4 games of 2012 before the injury. Stranger things have happened. I would think he would be a better fit than any rookie QB we could draft this year, (even with his propensity for injury), and given time to scan the field, he is surely more accurate than Stanton. A combination of Kolb, Stanton, and Hoyer might just get us through this 2013 season, though we would probably have to still draft a rookie in case he is not available after June 1st.

 

[CardsFan88]

MJ really didn't make all that much until like the last couple years of his career. He made something like 5M in salary for most of his career and then made like 25M+ in salary in his last couple seasons with the bulls.

30 million one year, and I mean THAT year. Not combined.

 

[TJ]

Silliest. theory. ever.

Sorry, I wouldn't buy that for $5 if you gave me $6 back.

Cause I guess they let Potter and Massie start holding again at the end of the season ? Right ? Since Massie gave up ZERO sacks in the last eight games ?

It's not a silly theory, it's a fact supported by the significant increase in QB pressures and sacks corroborated by the film. Batiste and Massie were much less aggressive in their pass pro starting with the Dolphins game.

Also, according to Jurecki, the protection scheme changed the 2nd half of the season, which limited the sack total to 19 in the last 8 games. Another had to do with Potter replacing Batiste and giving help on the weak side.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

It's not a silly theory, it's a fact supported by the significant increase in QB pressures and sacks corroborated by the film. Batiste and Massie were much less aggressive in their pass pro starting with the Dolphins game.

Also, according to Jurecki, the protection scheme changed the 2nd half of the season, which limited the sack total to 19 in the last 8 games. Another had to do with Potter replacing Batiste and giving help on the weak side.

Funny I never saw the uptick in holding calls once the refs came back.

You are free to believe what you want, but my logic doesn't stretch that thin.

 

[vince56]

It's not a silly theory, it's a fact supported by the significant increase in QB pressures and sacks corroborated by the film. Batiste and Massie were much less aggressive in their pass pro starting with the Dolphins game.

Also, according to Jurecki, the protection scheme changed the 2nd half of the season, which limited the sack total to 19 in the last 8 games. Another had to do with Potter replacing Batiste and giving help on the weak side.

Sacks came down the second half of the year because teams realized they didn't need to blitz. They only had to send 4, drop the remaining 7 into coverage, and the QBs were so inept they still couldn't complete passes.

 

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[TJ]

Sacks came down the second half of the year because teams realized they didn't need to blitz. They only had to send 4, drop the remaining 7 into coverage, and the QBs were so inept they still couldn't complete passes.

That's part of the reason. But remember, during the Minnesota game, Skelton's first start after the Kolb injury, they collected 7 sacks and never sent more than 4 guys.

 

[TJ]

Funny I never saw the uptick in holding calls once the refs came back.

You are free to believe what you want, but my logic doesn't stretch that thin.

But your clear hatred for Kolb distorts whatever logic you may have. You think it's pure coincidence that the sack totals went up significantly the first game the refs came back?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

But your clear hatred for Kolb distorts whatever logic you may have.

Oh the irony...this coming from the same guy who couldn't stop making excuses for Kolb/Leinart.

Time to move on, and good riddance.

 

[TJ]

Oh the irony...this coming from the same guy who couldn't stop making excuses for Kolb/Leinart.

Time to move on, and good riddance.

So what you're saying is that pointing out the much discussed demise (by you, especially) of our offensive line is "making excuses?" In other words, out offensive line, as it stands, is perfect the way it's structured?

 

[ARZCardinals]

Crisper57

LOL!!!!!!!

Time to sign Leinart

 

[Russ Smith]

Silliest. theory. ever.

Sorry, I wouldn't buy that for $5 if you gave me $6 back.

Cause I guess they let Potter and Massie start holding again at the end of the season ? Right ? Since Massie gave up ZERO sacks in the last eight games ?

Well I posted it at the time but there were SEVERAL NFL teams commenting on how the biggest change with the replacement refs was it seemed you could get away with holding.

I watched those first few games and over and over on the game threads I was saying are you guys watching Batiste, he's holding on EVERY play. It was unreal.

I even predicted as soon as the real refs came back we'd either see a record number of holding calls, or lots of sacks, it was the latter.

I think with Massie was the league figured him out they'd rush wide and then duck in under him and he'd either whiff, or get knocked backwards. He got better at the end because he figured out (finally) how to counter that move.

But with Batiste it was obvious, his entire strategy was hold until they call it.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

So what you're saying is that pointing out the much discussed demise (by you, especially)of our offensive line is "making excuses?" In other words, out offensive line, as it stands, is perfect the way it's structured?

By me especially? I'd love to know where you're getting that.

And yes, our offensive line is perfectly structured. I don't know how you can improve on it.

Blaming the o-line for Kolb's "performance" is equivalent to the cavalcade of excuses trotted out for Leinart.

Did the o-line suck balls for the majority of the year? Hell yes. Did their performance dramatically improve with Kolb out of the lineup? I think the answer to that is yes as well.

Even despite improvements, I'd still consider adding a tackle (although between Levi/Massie/Potter I think we're ok), and we desperately need two new guards. I'd even replace Sendlein if the price is right. I believe if we kept our tackles, picked up Warmack or Cooper (or even a decent 2nd round guard) that we'd have an average o-line. Brown Warmack Sendlein Colledge (yuck) Massie should be ok.

Look, you can pick and choose to blame any number of factors for his failure, but the bottom line is that he wasn't even an average QB when he was healthy, and we got taken to the cleaners by Reed.

Time to move on, good riddance.