Kolb will be the starter on Sun against New England

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Skelton is the starter- but I don't see a large drop of talent when either enters the game - yet. Different Skill sets but same thesmel grade. Now Kolb played the no huddle - Whiz said it was planned before Skelton went down? Who knows? He is a liar - call it gamemanship or poker face but still a liar -Whiz is, sad we need to lie to win?

But I'll take it! but Kolb struggled most with our base offense- 3-5-7 step drops, timing and staying in the pocket- Not from the Shotgun without a featured back in the no huddle. He can do it?

Our Defense was gassed with many more plays than our offense- can't keep treating them like that- they are built for explosion not a marathon. All in all it was a division win at home and I am happy that we held them like 11 downs inside the 20 at the end of the game. BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE OUR NORMAL!

Go Kolb - Go Bean- Go Fitz

Maybe it's just me but I get awfully tired of you calling our Head Coach a liar. I understand you don't like him, I understand you don't believe in him and I understand you don't believe him but you're sitting there with just a fraction of the facts and you are calling another man a liar. I think it stinks. But, again, maybe that's just me.

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Maybe it's just me but I get awfully tired of you calling our Head Coach a liar. I understand you don't like him, I understand you don't believe in him and I understand you don't believe him but you're sitting there with just a fraction of the facts and you are calling another man a liar. I think it stinks. But, again, maybe that's just me.

Steve

Wait... does this mean you can actually interpret his posts?? Props to you buddy! ;)
 

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Maybe it's just me but I get awfully tired of you calling our Head Coach a liar. I understand you don't like him, I understand you don't believe in him and I understand you don't believe him but you're sitting there with just a fraction of the facts and you are calling another man a liar. I think it stinks. But, again, maybe that's just me.

Steve

No its not just you. Plus at no time did Whiz say it was planned to bring kolb in. He said it was planned to run the 2 minute. Nothing to even lie about.
 

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Maybe it's just me but I get awfully tired of you calling our Head Coach a liar. I understand you don't like him, I understand you don't believe in him and I understand you don't believe him but you're sitting there with just a fraction of the facts and you are calling another man a liar. I think it stinks. But, again, maybe that's just me.

Steve

It is not just you. Everyone knows its BS.
 

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I have sprained my left ankle so many times that, simply stepping off a curb is high risk now! So, I totally get how painful it can be... First time I did it was roughly 30 years ago, playing basketball... Jumped for a rebound and came down on someone else's foot. The popping noise was hideous! Doc said it would've been better had a actually broken the ankle as it would've healed better... A sprain is essentially the ripping away of the ligaments. They never heal as well as broken bones. But, I certainly wasn't carted off... Helped off, but no cart and no air-cast...

I should lie and say I was shooting hoops with Cheryl Miller but I was carrying a box down some stairs, yapping with a friend, not paying attention and missed a step. Or six. It wasn't my best moment.
 

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Moses could start and they'd still be 14 point dogs.
 

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Not sure but I think Big Ben did it, in the playoffs too if I remember. I think was a bad ankle sprain but I could be wrong.
lol, yes, but he is a freak. He also supermanned face first from his bike into a car without a helmet and was fine
 

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Wow, I am pretty much on the same page. When on, Kolb is much better. However, he has a tendancy to get skittish and when he does, the wheels fall off. John is very calm, and makes a lot of mistakes. If Kolb had that Skelton calmness in the pocket, we'd have a damn fine QB, IMO.

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Hes got to stay calm and willing to take sacks in the pocket. I guarentee Belichek will do whatever he can to get Kolb flushing to pocket
 

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Hes still out. No way in heck hes playing Sunday even after we found out its "only" a low ankle sprain.

To act like there was even a shade of a chance hed play is ridiculous and just whiz never giving a straight answer.


BTW, high, low, backdoor, IDC, ankle sprains (real ankle sprains, not the ones you get because you didnt put your shoes on right) will knock you off your feet for a week minimum. Its not like a bruised knee. A sprain is ligament damage. Thats why its a sprain. So to say its only a low ankle sprain, hell be back Sunday is no different than saying he got hit by a truck, hell be back sunday.

I've lived on and played on ankle sprains. Basketball players learn early to tape it up or miss a season. Low..you play. High, you sit. It really does NOT matter. But that's a different game, and different movements. But no, in basketball, with a great team doc and good tape, a real ankle sprain (save the juvenile shoes on right crap) will not hold you out for a week..in basketball at least.

BTW, in your logic, I was hit by several trucks..had bruised ankles to show for it, and was on the court two days later...COUNTLESS times.

Now, high ankle sprain is a different beast. My best friend pulled that one, threw up in a bucket a full halftime and asked for another, and after the game his entire lower leg was visibly dark and he was hispanic. high ankle sprains are NOT to be trifled with. He was gone a full three weeks and should have never returned when he did because he was useless the rest of the season.

HUGE difference.


Not sure but I think Big Ben did it, in the playoffs too if I remember. I think was a bad ankle sprain but I could be wrong.

Yes he did, and it cost them that playoff game. He had NO business playing that game, and they lost because he was a statue. Again, the difference between playing basketball or football and the position you play. And I'm going to guess that he had a high ankle sprain. Someone else can research that.

And yes, we COULD probably play John this weekend and expect the same mobility Ben had in that game against Denver last year, which was NADA. I hope we aren't that dumb, but I still don't give credit. Trust, but verify.
 
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I've lived on and played on ankle sprains. Basketball players learn early to tape it up or miss a season. Low..you play. High, you sit. It really does NOT matter. But that's a different game, and different movements. But no, in basketball, with a great team doc and good tape, a real ankle sprain (save the juvenile shoes on right crap) will not hold you out for a week..in basketball at least.

BTW, in your logic, I was hit by several trucks..had bruised ankles to show for it, and was on the court two days later...COUNTLESS times.

Now, high ankle sprain is a different beast. My best friend pulled that one, threw up in a bucket a full halftime and asked for another, and after the game his entire lower leg was visibly dark and he was hispanic. high ankle sprains are NOT to be trifled with. He was gone a full three weeks and should have never returned when he did because he was useless the rest of the season.

HUGE difference.




Yes he did, and it cost them that playoff game. He had NO business playing that game, and they lost because he was a statue. Again, the difference between playing basketball or football and the position you play. And I'm going to guess that he had a high ankle sprain. Someone else can research that.

And yes, we COULD probably play John this weekend and expect the same mobility Ben had in that game against Denver last year, which was NADA. I hope we aren't that dumb, but I still don't give credit. Trust, but verify.
I am with you dawg, Skelton was never gonna start this week. I was hoping TJ would post on this time line that we call Skelton's injury, but he's probably waiting for more data.
 

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Thats what Im talking about.

Whiz wont name Kolb starter this week. "we still got some days"

Skelton didnt practice today. Its Wednesday, we play sunday. Whos he trying to trick by not naming Kob starter? His 41-40 record says hes not as smart as he thinks he is.


I've lived on and played on ankle sprains. Basketball players learn early to tape it up or miss a season. Low..you play. High, you sit. It really does NOT matter. But that's a different game, and different movements. But no, in basketball, with a great team doc and good tape, a real ankle sprain (save the juvenile shoes on right crap) will not hold you out for a week..in basketball at least.

BTW, in your logic, I was hit by several trucks..had bruised ankles to show for it, and was on the court two days later...COUNTLESS times.

Now, high ankle sprain is a different beast. My best friend pulled that one, threw up in a bucket a full halftime and asked for another, and after the game his entire lower leg was visibly dark and he was hispanic. high ankle sprains are NOT to be trifled with. He was gone a full three weeks and should have never returned when he did because he was useless the rest of the season.

HUGE difference.




Yes he did, and it cost them that playoff game. He had NO business playing that game, and they lost because he was a statue. Again, the difference between playing basketball or football and the position you play. And I'm going to guess that he had a high ankle sprain. Someone else can research that.

And yes, we COULD probably play John this weekend and expect the same mobility Ben had in that game against Denver last year, which was NADA. I hope we aren't that dumb, but I still don't give credit. Trust, but verify.

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Yes, when Donald started at QB for the Cards in 2003, he played many a game with the exact same ankle injury as Skelton.

So, don't mess...
 

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Yes, when Donald started at QB for the Cards in 2003, he played many a game with the exact same ankle injury as Skelton.

So, don't mess...

:D I could have started in 2003. Couldn't have been worse. Horrid season. I think they held a contest for starting QB and several fans played that year. Also lots of defensive backs from cheap seats hit the field.

And I also said, football is different than Bball. Planting and throwing vs cutting and running. taped up like crazy is basically a cast. You aren't 100% or even close, but you can play. Football, an 80% QB is a huge target ... see Big Ben in last years playoffs, when he basically was the reason they lost that game because he was useless. And that WAS a sprained ankle. But he played. Shouldn't have, but he did.

Football and basketball are different, and it isn't about "toughness." It's about productivity on an injury like that. You can't target a single basketball player going at 70% and have him lose the game like you can target a gimpy QB.

With that all said, regardless of how bad the sprain is, the fact that it is a low ankle sprain means that it is not crazy to expect that he might start. If it were a high ankle sprain, no way he starts, but low heals faster, can be played on easier and might not hold him out on Sunday.

And with Whis still not naming Kolb starter, I think that bears out what I'm saying. You act like it was a foregone conclusion that Kolb would start, Bohda, I said he likely would start but that Skelton could still play, bad ankle and all. I don't care that it looked like he got shot and air casted, the end result was an ankle sprain. Paul Pierce looked like he got shot and blew out a knee in the finals a few years ago, got rolled off in an effing wheelchair, then skipped onto the court 10 minutes later. The visible effect of the injury when it happens does not equal the severity of the injury after diagnosis.

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Skelton is the starter- but I don't see a large drop of talent when either enters the game - yet. Different Skill sets but same thesmel grade. Now Kolb played the no huddle - Whiz said it was planned before Skelton went down? Who knows? He is a liar - call it gamemanship or poker face but still a liar -Whiz is, sad we need to lie to win?

But I'll take it! but Kolb struggled most with our base offense- 3-5-7 step drops, timing and staying in the pocket- Not from the Shotgun without a featured back in the no huddle. He can do it?

Our Defense was gassed with many more plays than our offense- can't keep treating them like that- they are built for explosion not a marathon. All in all it was a division win at home and I am happy that we held them like 11 downs inside the 20 at the end of the game. BUT THAT SHOULD NOT BE OUR NORMAL!

Go Kolb - Go Bean- Go Fitz

Not this $*** again...
 

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I wouldnt be too surprised if they've known since Sunday that Skelton wouldnt be able to play and are down playing his condition for game planning purposes. Similar to how they kept stating Kolb was on the verge of playing every week throughout both of his injuries last year.
 

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I couldn't help but wonder during the game if a platoon might actually be the best way to go for the Cardinals. Kolb does not seem like a full time starter for a variety of reasons but he seems to come off the bench so well.

Maybe if he has enough success in relief he can elevate his game and become a regular starter but both of them are so aggravating at this point. Both have been given multiple chances to win the job and neither of them ever really respond.

I don't have a lot of confidence that Kolb makes it through the entire game vs. New England so maybe the young guy will get his chance and the Cardinals will get lucky and stumble across their own Tom Brady-like accidental starter.
 
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