Kurt Warner Analyzes Kyler Murray

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Stouty and the other Never Murrays know far more about the QB position and playing in the NFL that Kurt
No all I am saying is he is more knowledgable than us both. He makes positive and negative statements about Kyler. He has made negative and positive highlights breaking down Kyler.

Like this mostly negative one:

Kyler missed a ton of opportunities in the Chargers game. Mostly his fault too.

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This is not personal anymore. If Bill Belicheck told me tomorrow Kyler Murray is missing these attributes and for these reasons I don't think he will ever succeed, I would fucken listen and shut up.

Kurt Warner has first hand knowledge of the position, and has AZ sports fans best interest at heart imo. He follows our team more than alot of fans. It was a very interesting radio interview.

But you can't tell me he is biased when in either direction. I don't see it.
 

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Well my blueprint is to follow the 3 year plan Monti told us he would have.
Citation needed on a three-year plan.
Fact is we gutted 50 players 3 years ago from the roster.
Monti made a choice to be a four-win team last year. He gets no credit for building up to mediocrity. I don’t know why people choose to start the clock on Monti’s tenure six months after he took the job.
 
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Citation needed on a three-year plan.

Monti made a choice to be a four-win team last year. He gets no credit for building up to mediocrity. I don’t know why people choose to start the clock on Monti’s tenure six months after he took the job.

The 3 year plan is common knowledge. No one has disagreed on that. You can ask anyone here. It was in his introductory press conference. But even if you don't think that is a big thing, it is how I personally am coming to my own opinion on Kyler. I think 3 years is enough for the rebuild around him and he has no excuse beyond that. I also thought his contract was up in 2025 until about 5 minutes ago lol.

I agree with you. I am not giving anyone credit for a 8 win season besides maybe our defensive coordinator and by extension Gannon's role in that. I am not celebrating and I am not happy but I predicted 9-8 at the beginning of the year. So it is hard for me personally to feel extremely disappointed assuming we win today.

Monti let us down so to speak. He didn't think we would be able to go 6-4 and lead the division so quickly. He didn't see that possibility coming. Well now Geno and Stafford are aging and SF is a big question mark for 2025. He better be ready to make all the moves.

Let me try to extend an olive branch to you and everyone here who is obviously entitled to their opinion on Kyler and other issues.

If we agree on the fact that we need more talent to make a superbowl contending team, that is the most important thing for me. If Kyler played great all year and we won 10 games or so, I don't think we are making any sort of run in the playoffs at all. I didn't see it when the season started and even when we were in first place, I was merely hoping winning the division would give us a good chance to win a playoff game.

Like if we got to play MINN again here. But even if that happened, I would be inclined to bet against us vs whoever our next opponent would have been.

I am not a "Kyler Murray life-long fan." I am Chicago native who came to AZ in 1997 who became a fan when Warner led us to the Superbowl and I stayed a fan through the seasons afterwards.

I have never had a Kyler Murray Jersey even though I have had other Cardinals ones in the past. I always believed James Conner was the best player on our offense. I want Murray to be able to make a mistake where that doesn't automatically make 50% of the fan base think we are going to lose cuz we absolutely need him to play well every game.

And when he threw 2 INTs early vs SEA, I realized we don't have the potential to comeback when we are down like other playoffs team do.

There will be a game next year (in the playoffs hopefully), where we have a horrible start. The other team has a kick return TD and we fumble in our side of the field etc. Or Kyler might even throw a pick six. And we will down 13-0 in the 2nd qtr.

What our fans deserve more than anything is feeling like this team can come from behind against a good defense and win. When the luck doesn't go our way like it did sometimes this year. That we have the raw talent necessary to overcome that. If Monti doesn't address our many offensive issues, many of which Kyler is intertwined with, we will never win with Gannon.

It is not enough to have a disciplined team who plays defense and has possession WRs and a dominant RB and TE. What we have found out is that even when Kyler had played well with this group, we are not showing the explosion people expected.


It is time for the AZ media and the fanbase to recognize that not only were we wrong about the defense being horrible. We were also wrong to think Harrison was the last piece we needed on offense. That doesn't mean he sucks, (although I wish he would catch more TD's he dropped) It simply means we need more talent on offense.

More to compete when DET and BUF play a 48-45 game.
I hope that is something all of us can agree with.People who think Kyler should be playing better are keying in on something more specific that all of us realize.

We couldn't beat playoff caliber opponents when Kyler was not playing well. Naturally we all know this but we react with a different opinion of Kyler instead of recogning we are on the same page in the big scheme of things. And I hope you also realize THIS IS NOT THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. Your QB doesn't need to play well every game he plays vs a playoff team in order for a football team to win.

Even Mahomes, has constantly needed his defense at times in the playoffs when he has average games like vs BAL last year.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a team talented enough where the QB didn't have to be the main point of discussion whether you liked him or not?

That is what Monti needs to accomplish this offseason.
 
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Cool. Should be easy for you to cite then. Looking forward to the quote and link.
I am not going to watch the introductory press conference over again. It is not something he is shouting from the ramparts.

The AZ media has been repeating his "3 year rebuild" on the radio week after week month after month. If you want, I can find you multiple clips of Dan Bickley and others referring to "Monti Ossenfort's 3 year rebuild."

He has not disputed this in the dozens of times it has been mentioned. Do I want to find the 1 time he inferred it that people took and ran with it?

How about you tell me why this point is so important to you? You have clearly heard it many times before. I can't be the first to tell you.



I would rather think of our team in terms of doing what the Lions did.

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Citation needed on a three-year plan.
When he traded for Browning, he said they were ahead year ahead of schedule and didn't expected to challenge for the playoffs until next year. While not directly saying a three year plan, it sounded like a three year plan, but is an assumption since it appears Monti never actually said it.

Looking at the long-term blueprint Ossenfort appears to be following, the pros outweigh the cons for the Cardinals, who are clearly ahead of schedule in the win-loss column.
Now with saying that, Ossenfort not opening the wallet this offseason and bringing in some serious upgrades given the team’s cap space would put that thinking in question.

 

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He has not disputed this in the dozens of times it has been mentioned. Do I want to find the 1 time he inferred it that people took and ran with it?
If this happens all the time, it should be easy to source one example. Please locate one of them.

Otherwise I’ll assume it’s as fictitious as the numerous other places you’ve confidently asserted facts that didn’t exist.
 

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I would rather think of our team in terms of doing what the Lions did.

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I’d rather think of that too, but the reality is the Lions were ascending at the end of their second season, answering big questions at QB, DE and WINNING GAMES.

Our reality is we’ve collapsed down the stretch heading in the wrong direction with the same damn questions about the QB as we’ve had every single year for four, going on five years.
 

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I’d rather think of that too, but the reality is the Lions were ascending at the end of their second season, answering big questions at QB, DE and WINNING GAMES.

Our reality is we’ve collapsed down the stretch heading in the wrong direction with the same damn questions about the QB as we’ve had every single year for four, going on five years.
The Lions finishing 2023 with eight straight wins or whatever is so far from this season talking about them is basically a troll.
 
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I’d rather think of that too, but the reality is the Lions were ascending at the end of their second season, answering big questions at QB, DE and WINNING GAMES.

Our reality is we’ve collapsed down the stretch heading in the wrong direction with the same damn questions about the QB as we’ve had every single year for four, going on five years.
If only Connor didn't get hurt we prob win vs CAR and LAR. True but the Lions also didn't have an severly injured offensive line.

A win here is still moving in the right direction and our schedule does favor us next year.
 

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If only Connor didn't get hurt we prob win vs CAR and LAR. True but the Lions also didn't have an severly injured offensive line.

A win here is still moving in the right direction and our schedule does favor us next year.
Save your excuses for someone who cares. The Lions THIS YEAR have the most injuries in the league and they’re 13-3.

As for the schedule favoring us next year… yeah… that was same tripe spit earlier this season about the schedule down the stretch THIS season where we have been a catastrophic 1-5.
 
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Save your excuses for someone who cares. The Lions THIS YEAR have the most injuries in the league and they’re 13-3.

As for the schedule favoring us next year… yeah… that was same tripe spit earlier this season about the schedule down the stretch THIS season where we have been a catastrophic 1-5.
Exactly. I wish we had the offensive raw talent to win a game when Murray throws 2 INTs like the Lions did when Goff threw 5 INTs vs HOU.

He did virtually nothing in that comeback. The defense and running game made it happen.

Well if you already know the future why are you here?
 

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When he traded for Browning, he said they were ahead year ahead of schedule and didn't expected to challenge for the playoffs until next year. While not directly saying a three year plan, it sounded like a three year plan, but is an assumption since it appears Monti never actually said it.



I would think if you’re challenging for the playoffs that’s more likely a four year plan. The year that you’re a solid playoff team should be the destination. Not the year you challenge for the playoffs. If your destination is just challenging for a playoff spot you’re a loser imho.
 

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I would think if you’re challenging for the playoffs that’s more likely a four year plan. The year that you’re a solid playoff team should be the destination. Not the year you challenge for the playoffs. If your destination is just challenging for a playoff spot you’re a loser imho.
That's a fair assessment.
 

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If only Connor didn't get hurt we prob win vs CAR and LAR. True but the Lions also didn't have an severly injured offensive line.

A win here is still moving in the right direction and our schedule does favor us next year.
Ah yes, the make believe world wins. So important not to forget those.
 

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Probably wrong, since I didn’t see every game this year, but it seemed like they went conservative in their play calling, especially after the bye. Instead of playing to win (like the Lions do) they played not to lose. Once they were out of contention, they played more loose cause there was nothing left to lose. That’s what I saw anyway.
 

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Probably wrong, since I didn’t see every game this year, but it seemed like they went conservative in their play calling, especially after the bye. Instead of playing to win (like the Lions do) they played not to lose. Once they were out of contention, they played more loose cause there was nothing left to lose. That’s what I saw anyway.
Except they almost always went for it on fourth down. That’s not conservative.
 

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