Kwame Brown to Detroit

[Mulli]

I don't think that there was "market" for him to begin with.

No market means no one is going to sign him, right? All it takes is one.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No market means no one is going to sign him, right? All it takes is one.

No. Market IMO = more than one. If a team overpays for someone, that doesn't mean that's what the market is.

 

[Mulli]

No. Market IMO = more than one. If a team overpays for someone, that doesn't mean that's what the market is.

Yes it does. If Detroit wanted him enough to pay that, that is what the market value for him is.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yes it does. If Detroit wanted him enough to pay that, that is what the market value for him is.

No, that is Detroits value for him, not the market's value.

That's like saying Matt Barnes market value was the minimum, when he turned down higher offers.

 

[Covert Rain]

How one of the biggest 1st round busts in NBA history still gets 4 Million a year just goes to show how desperate teams are for size in the NBA.

The consensus around here is also not reality.

Kwame Brown is a pretty good center, especially defensively. Better than anyone we had in like the last 20 years excluding Shaq.

I want some of what you are taking. That guy gets worked on a nightly basis on the boards, defensively and there is a reason is considered such a huge bust.

 

[Mulli]

No, that is Detroits value for him, not the market's value.

That's like saying Matt Barnes market value was the minimum, when he turned down higher offers.

Detroit is in the market. Right?

You said that, I didn't. He took less than market. Market is what someone was willing to pay.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Detroit is in the market. Right?

You said that, I didn't. He took less than market. Market is what someone was willing to pay.

So according to you, no team ever overpays?

 

[Mulli]

So according to you, no team ever overpays?

I never said that. You did.

 

[Covert Rain]

I look at it like this. The Market bares whatever someone is willing to pay for a player. He might not have received "fare" market value (which can result in being overpaid or underpaid). So to me, the second Detroit paid him the 4 million that became market...fare market is another story.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I never said that. You did.

I never said that. I completely disagree with that. I am saying that it is possible for a player to be paid below or above market value. I am also saying that more than one team determines market value.

I see a difference between one team's value for a player, and a market value.

 

[Mulli]

No, that is Detroits value for him, not the market's value.

That's like saying Matt Barnes market value was the minimum, when he turned down higher offers.

Hey, I see what you are saying now.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Kwame is still a young big with incredible athleticism. He has not lived up to expectations so far, but expectations are VERY high for a #1 over all. He is getting paid more than the value he has demonstrated, but there is a little extra there for potential.

Kwame still has some chance at developing into a very good player.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I look at it like this. The Market bares whatever someone is willing to pay for a player. He might not have received "fare" market value (which can result in being overpaid or underpaid). So to me, the second Detroit paid him the 4 million that became market...fare market is another story.

Hey, I see what you are saying now.

I see where you guys are coming from. I just don't agree with it. If whatever a team pays for a player becomes market value, then how can you say that a player is overpaid. He's paid the market value, right?

 

[TucsonDevil]

I was hoping the Lakes would take him back...

Me too.

 

[CardinalsFan11]

I'm a little surprised that Kwame got 4mil/year but for only 2 years it's really not a terrible contract.

Kwame will either learn how to play solid defense and be a respectable backup center in the league; or he'll flame out again and be out of the league

I'm hoping for the former but expecting the latter.

 

[Covert Rain]

I see where you guys are coming from. I just don't agree with it. If whatever a team pays for a player becomes market value, then how can you say that a player is overpaid. He's paid the market value, right?

To me market value is a range and not a price. You have a high end and a low end. For instance, Kwame's market was never going to be 10 million per year or as low as minimum just because of his size.

That range can vary on a team by team or fan by fan basis. I am sure Detroit feels they paid market. They may have depending on other offers Kwame had on the table. However, I bet for most teams or fans, they think the guy was overpaid.

I think it's simply depends on the perspective you have for the deal.

 

[D-Dogg]

You're all alone on that one.

Nope, I agree.

And I wish the lakers would have paid it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No, that is Detroits value for him, not the market's value.

That's like saying Matt Barnes market value was the minimum, when he turned down higher offers.

no, mulli's right. if someone else wanted to sign him and he didn't want to give them a discount, then detroit set the market for him, didn't they? all it takes is one.

 

[nowagimp]

Kwame is still a young big with incredible athleticism. He has not lived up to expectations so far, but expectations are VERY high for a #1 over all. He is getting paid more than the value he has demonstrated, but there is a little extra there for potential.

Kwame still has some chance at developing into a very good player.

Yeah the lakers just didnt have a decent big man coach to develop him ... ughh! Wrong! they have kareem, who has done wonders with bynum. Kwame is a dud, no desire, no nads under pressure. As far as the "incredible athleticism", not sure about that one. He's not immobile, but he's no dwight howard, amare stoudemire,or andrew bynum athletically. He's managed just 0.7 blocks per game with that "incredible athleticism". I suppose we shall see if Dumars is puffing that wacky weed or has true insight into the kwame conondrum. So far in the NBA, Kwame has been a weakness on the floor for every team he has played for.

 

[Irish]

I'm not sure "the market" is set by a single transaction.

IMHO, the market is set by the opportunity costs experienced by both sides.

For example, if the Pistons felt there were other players who could do what Kwame could do but would have cost more or the that someone else was offering Kawame almost the same amount; then this would clearly be a sign that he was being paid market.

They may be right. Elson made $3.9 million last season. Brown played more, had more rebounds, and a higher shooting percentage. Elson's main advantage was that he can shoot free throws and Kwame can't. Rumor is that Elson may end up with the Clippers, but it seems unlikely he'll get the same money.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

As a wise man once said.

"It's only worth as much as someone is willing to pay for it."

Discussion over!

 

[asudevil83]

Kwame is still a young big with incredible athleticism. He has not lived up to expectations so far, but expectations are VERY high for a #1 over all. He is getting paid more than the value he has demonstrated, but there is a little extra there for potential.

Kwame still has some chance at developing into a very good player.

except for the fact that he doesnt give a crap. he's in the nba for the money that's it. you can see it on the floor that he doesnt care a bit.

having the lightbulb just click after 6 years doesnt happen. he's made probably close to $50mil being a lazy ass, so what's there to motivate him into being any better than he is right now?

 

[dodie53]

4mil?
wtf?